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[HiddenMyst]

[QUOTE=Killuah;37920040]They are all really damn great and make me want to go to a fair right now, shame 2 is a bit cut to the left, Speedy Wheely is REALLY nice and the first one is a shining example of how composition can make a picture holy fuck I would use that one for commercial stuff if I owned a park I mean look at how it captures exactly the goofy scarry meaning of a horror ride with that ghost and the clownface and all.[/QUOTE]

Thanks.
I did crop in quite a bit for the rollercoaster shot. I'm still trying to get a grasp on what works best for composition in my shots and I've probably been relying a little too heavily on cropping.
Here's the uncropped version if you're interested:
[t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62766551/PA030040-1.jpg[/t]

[karlhungus]

[QUOTE=Big Blue;37916238]Bullshit

[editline]4th October 2012[/editline]

What's her number, I need to verify that you know her[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151045534450493&set=a.185504935492.137173.105331995492&type=1&theater[/url]

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=The Salmon;37918946]Brian up there is a legit photographer by trade, he gets his kicks by posting commercial quality photos in amateur forums.[/QUOTE]

Uhm actually I post all the lighting info along with camera settings and I am always open to discuss anything from the business aspects (taxes share forms used with clients etc) to the gear and technical end. But people like you just make smarmy comments. I am a member of facepunch and they have a photography forum and I intend to use it just like anyone else on here. It's sad I get so many questions on here from private messages that I answer about technical stuff yet just bullshit comments like yours in the actual thread.

[QUOTE=bopie;37916439]Brian, I miss your more creative stuff in the abandoned buildings and whatnot. It's a nice photograph in a technical right (good skin tone), but there ain't much to see other than the standard issue 'hot girl' model.[/QUOTE]

To call my work done exploring buildings "creative" but not the shots I do of subjects there is silly. Just because it has a flower growing out of a destructed wall, or a close up of flecking paint on a fence, or some shot of a wild hog does not make it anymore creative than me trudging out into the ocean putting down light stands in waves, running wires, having shadows blocked, placing gels, and timing moments with waves or wind etc, to get a perfect exposure of ambient and artificial light.

[img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/247617_10151026824980493_1758071704_n.jpg[/img]
"creatively" round up a bridal and groom party as well as 400 wedding guests all day

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6600_119304760492_5538743_n.jpg[/img]
Or creatively light an entire large band? with a 40' ceiling?

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/250733_10151024923330493_1399731835_n.jpg[/img]
Cute dog with a tone am I doing better?

[img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427259_10150954348945493_768708195_n.jpg[/img]
She's like jumping and it's like natural light in a abandoned mansion in upstate ny wew

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/396184_10150538622010493_1640438135_n.jpg[/img]
ooooOooOoooOO

Just because I do more commercially marketed work does not cheapen the WORK that I do. Some of you often mistake my posts for bragging when that is farthest from the case. I learned lighting etc from forums and flickr and I always see awesome stuff getting posted in here. If I can't from time to time post something I am working on as well and also provide WAY more technical data than most do then I think that is a bit silly? Just because my posts don't sing to you does not mean someone on the forum might not be just getting into my style of work and benefit from the info.

[➤◉──────────]

You don't operate or think much outside of the flickr/facebook 'brotographers' world, do you? You make too many dismissive assumptions. You're not willing to at least empathize with an opposing viewpoint.

You practice the craft, not the discipline.

I'll just go home, 5000 bros can't be wrong.

[neurobuster]

[QUOTE=Scotchair;37919956]Some of those animal photos are incredible, some are quite lackluster. I reckon it'd have been ,more effective if you picked our maybe 4 of the best ones. The parrot, bird in the bucket, and mother/baby rhino's are all great. I especially love the bird in the bucket![/QUOTE]

Would you tell me which one's are lackluster? Been feeling pretty inactive as a photographer lately, I'm sure that can attribute.

[BlazeFresh]

Personally to me it just seems like you have a quota to fill regarding the shots of the model in the sea, leaving yourself with certain shots to get, rather than personal work where you may have a little more room to breathe. I don't know whether its just me but i find the image of the girl jumping much more pleasing than the photo of the model in the sea. I mean they're both photos but that one just has more substance for me. But you were probably shooting for something which required the look of the ocean shoot, so it works for that.

[karlhungus]

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;37921428]Personally to me it just seems like you have a quota to fill regarding the shots of the model in the sea, leaving yourself with certain shots to get, rather than personal work where you may have a little more room to breathe. I don't know whether its just me but i find the image of the girl jumping much more pleasing than the photo of the model in the sea. I mean they're both photos but that one just has more substance for me. But you were probably shooting for something which required the look of the ocean shoot, so it works for that.[/QUOTE]

that would be because the girl jumping was personal work and the girl in the sea was paid work. You nailed it.

[Nonikai]

Had an idea today. Came out alright I think

[URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannimagn/8056752438/"][IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/8056752438_6299d7bb11_z.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannimagn/8056752438/"]DSC_0388.jpg[/URL] by [URL="http://www.flickr.com/people/dannimagn/"]Dannimagn[/URL], on Flickr

If I can say really quickly. I appreciate Brian's work. I've learned quite a bit from the info that he posts from his shots and even though that you may perceive his photos as "bland" I see them as simplicity at it's finest. You can make a creative photo without having to go out of your way to make it look abstract. Simplicity isn't necessarily easy to achieve either as you can see by what he posted. I, for one, enjoy Brian's posts.

I do have to admit though I'd like you to surprise me one day Brian. Doing something that is COMPLETELY different from what you usually do. Either way, keep up the good work and thanks for posting.

[Inzalonus]

[QUOTE=karlhungus;37921051]

PICTURES

Just because I do more commercially marketed work does not cheapen the WORK that I do. Some of you often mistake my posts for bragging when that is farthest from the case. I learned lighting etc from forums and flickr and I always see awesome stuff getting posted in here. If I can't from time to time post something I am working on as well and also provide WAY more technical data than most do then I think that is a bit silly? Just because my posts don't sing to you does not mean someone on the forum might not be just getting into my style of work and benefit from the info.[/QUOTE]

sorry man for professional work your style looks really straight forward, which is good because people will be getting what they paid for and when it comes to pro work, that's actually important
the only thing that's particularly interesting to me is that you seem to take it seriously and by that I mean, you're not one of those poser pros that just tries to look pro, you do have personal niche to your photos and they are nice, you also put in a lot of care to your lighting and all that,
but I feel that overall, the photos themselves are just kind of bland. You have the passion, but you're not really stretching it to "creative", you're solving problems for professional shots, while that in itself is creative, the images are still gonna look like professional shots which, a lot of are just straight forward and kind of bland, you have to really apply your passion to the photo capturing side of things, don't be afraid to break expectations, use your free will to your advantage to create a much more interesting scene

sorry but, girl standing in ocean, girl jumping inside of an abandoned house infront of light.. it's just kind of, meaningless to me? what are you trying to convey, how is a photo of a girl jumping infront of light actually that creative? the scene and concept itself might result in creative photos but as it stands it's still pretty bland and straight forward. they're obviously not candid... but you still didn't take advantage of the set up scene nature to do anything really new or interesting.

sorry if i'm being harsh it's just, they are good photos, but they're not really that "Creative" in themselves, they might have been creatively set up, but the photos, the PHOTOS are lacking in creativity, apply yourself more and don't let the professionalism hold you back

[Mysterio]

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/8056837362_880f3364ee_b.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/8056856165_b1bfb28a77_b.jpg[/img]

Two more from H2oi

[matreox]

Inzalonus, sorry if this sounds harsh, but you are talking absolute bullshit.
You cannot cater to ALL tastes, your photographic palette may be BLAND in comparison to someone else.

The photos he is displaying are both from personal and from professional standpoints, so they do not go hand in hand. What you may see as 'straight forward' is what others may call 'Professional Simplicity'.
You don't have to STRIVE to take photos that people may seem 'Extraordinary' every time you go out, jobs call for certain criteria to be met, and all he has to do is fill them.
Alot of people typically don't like you moving too far away from the Shoot 'standard', so regarding his Pro Work, it is absolutely fine.

And in regards to a couple of the Personal shots he posted, they may not be groundbreaking, but they are fun to look at and might of been taken in a spare couple of moments on a shoot.

Either way, I think his shots are great and you have a right to an opinion.
Luckily it is not the opinion of the greater masses.

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

Also some random content:

[URL=http://imgur.com/HQ3mC][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HQ3mCl.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://imgur.com/1qjas][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1qjasl.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[/B/rother]

[QUOTE=karlhungus;37921051][url]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151045534450493&set=a.185504935492.137173.105331995492&type=1&theater[/url]

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

Uhm actually I post all the lighting info along with camera settings and I am always open to discuss anything from the business aspects (taxes share forms used with clients etc) to the gear and technical end. But people like you just make smarmy comments. I am a member of facepunch and they have a photography forum and I intend to use it just like anyone else on here. It's sad I get so many questions on here from private messages that I answer about technical stuff yet just bullshit comments like yours in the actual thread.

To call my work done exploring buildings "creative" but not the shots I do of subjects there is silly. Just because it has a flower growing out of a destructed wall, or a close up of flecking paint on a fence, or some shot of a wild hog does not make it anymore creative than me trudging out into the ocean putting down light stands in waves, running wires, having shadows blocked, placing gels, and timing moments with waves or wind etc, to get a perfect exposure of ambient and artificial light.

[img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/247617_10151026824980493_1758071704_n.jpg[/img]
"creatively" round up a bridal and groom party as well as 400 wedding guests all day

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6600_119304760492_5538743_n.jpg[/img]
Or creatively light an entire large band? with a 40' ceiling?

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/250733_10151024923330493_1399731835_n.jpg[/img]
Cute dog with a tone am I doing better?

[img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427259_10150954348945493_768708195_n.jpg[/img]
She's like jumping and it's like natural light in a abandoned mansion in upstate ny wew

[img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/396184_10150538622010493_1640438135_n.jpg[/img]
ooooOooOoooOO

Just because I do more commercially marketed work does not cheapen the WORK that I do. Some of you often mistake my posts for bragging when that is farthest from the case. I learned lighting etc from forums and flickr and I always see awesome stuff getting posted in here. If I can't from time to time post something I am working on as well and also provide WAY more technical data than most do then I think that is a bit silly? Just because my posts don't sing to you does not mean someone on the forum might not be just getting into my style of work and benefit from the info.[/QUOTE]

you're so full of yourself aren't you?

[Mysterio]

[QUOTE=/B/rother;37922111]you're so full of yourself aren't you?[/QUOTE]

Did you actually read what he posted?

[Scotchair]

I can't help but get the impression that most folk are just a little bit fucking butthurt because this guy makes a living from photography.

All I'm gonna say is, he's a hell of a lot more fucking talented than most "professional" photographers. I don't like ALL his shots, but I don't like ALL of anybody else's either.

If my job was to take photos, fucking right I'd be posting them in here. Also, any time anybody has a question he is usually happy to answer.

I think people need to lay off a little, I really don't see the big deal. This isn't the first time this has happened either. The guy is just posting photos. They're all of a pretty high standard. He's happy to share his techniques. What's the beef?

He might brag a little, but at the end of the day we all like to show off those shots we're really proud of.

[/B/rother]

[QUOTE=Scotchair;37922418]I can't help but get the impression that most folk are just a little bit fucking butthurt because this guy makes a living from photography.

All I'm gonna say is, he's a hell of a lot more fucking talented than most "professional" photographers. I don't like ALL his shots, but I don't like ALL of anybody else's either.

If my job was to take photos, fucking right I'd be posting them in here. Also, any time anybody has a question he is usually happy to answer.

I think people need to lay off a little, I really don't see the big deal. This isn't the first time this has happened either. The guy is just posting photos. They're all of a pretty high standard. He's happy to share his techniques. What's the beef?

He might brag a little, but at the end of the day we all like to show off those shots we're really proud of.[/QUOTE]

i understand that he's pretty useful and definitely a helpful source of information, and i agree that he should keep posting here. we're many that can learn from him, but he doesn't have to praise himself like that.

i'm sorry if all this is really dumb, and i'm just over-analyzing shit with my head up in the clouds.

[Scotchair]

[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;37921419]Would you tell me which one's are lackluster? Been feeling pretty inactive as a photographer lately, I'm sure that can attribute.[/QUOTE]

Well, the ones I mentioned are the ones that stand out for me personally. None of them are bad, don't get me wrong. I just think picking the best of the best would make them carry a bit more impact, you know?

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=/B/rother;37922486]i understand that he's pretty useful and definitely a helpful source of information, and i agree that he should keep posting here. we're many that can learn from him, but he doesn't have to praise himself like that.

i'm sorry if all this is really dumb, and i'm just over-analyzing shit with my head up in the clouds.[/QUOTE]

This is the bit that confuses me? praise himself like what? From what I can see he's just defending himself because there's a decent number of people giving him a hard time for "selling out" or whatever.

[/B/rother]

[QUOTE=Scotchair;37922488]Well, the ones I mentioned are the ones that stand out for me personally. None of them are bad, don't get me wrong. I just think picking the best of the best would make them carry a bit more impact, you know?

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

This is the bit that confuses me? praise himself like what? From what I can see he's just defending himself because there's a decent number of people giving him a hard time for "selling out" or whatever.[/QUOTE]

i don't think he's selling out, but i think what i'm trying to say is that while he's good to have around, he's still here cause he likes showing off.
or so it seems.
i dunno, it might just be me reading into it too much.

[Scotchair]

Meh, if he's good to have around then why does it matter if he likes showing off? Let's just forget about it.

[/B/rother]

[QUOTE=Scotchair;37922657]Meh, if he's good to have around then why does it matter if he likes showing off? Let's just forget about it.[/QUOTE]

yeah i know, i just wanted my opinion across i guess

[matreox]

He isn't showing off by posting a photo of a model.....he is posting some of his professional work that he is PROUD of, people don't have to jump down his throat about it.

Most people that strike out about it are typically just jealous or unhappy in their own lives.

[BlazeFresh]

[QUOTE=matreox;37923166]
Most people that strike out about it are typically just jealous or [B]unhappy in their own lives.[/B][/QUOTE]

I wouldn't over think it mate

[Jesienia]

So it's called "The Creative Photography Thread" and you aren't aloud to post pictures without "showing off", seems legit.

[MoarFunz]

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523722_4239833205354_1977204425_n.jpg[/img]

First time using an external flash. :>

[SL!P]

[QUOTE=MoarFunz;37925101][img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523722_4239833205354_1977204425_n.jpg[/img]

First time using an external flash. :>[/QUOTE]

y'know, if you worked that properly, it could actually make for a really cool advertisement for jack daniels.

[Scotchair]

Drink of the gods.

[Mysterio]

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/8057584165_008babe66a_b.jpg[/img]

Just bought an old Vivitar 70-260mm f/4.5. This thing renders colors so nicely. No processing or editing at all, and i only paid $10 for it :D.

[img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546874_4640273566086_301070504_n.jpg[/img]
Also it's fucking massive.

[MoarFunz]

[QUOTE=Slippery-Q;37925225]y'know, if you worked that properly, it could actually make for a really cool advertisement for jack daniels.[/QUOTE]

Yeah no doubt i'm trying this sometime later, this was a quick jerkoff with the flash before I handed it back to it's original owner and we popped the bottle open.

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=HiddenMyst;37920219]Thanks.
I did crop in quite a bit for the rollercoaster shot. I'm still trying to get a grasp on what works best for composition in my shots and I've probably been relying a little too heavily on cropping.
Here's the uncropped version if you're interested:
[t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62766551/PA030040-1.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]

I would leave it like that and take that red thing in the upper left out with Photoshop.

[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Scotchair;37925233]Drink of the gods.[/QUOTE]

It's really bad whiskey and anyone who knows whiskey will tell you that.

[Scotchair]

That's because whisky is meant for sitting in an armchair in a highland pub surrounded by banter and old tales.

Jack Daniels is for putting in your eyeball after snorting a line of coke whilst being blown by an attractive lady.

There's a time and a place for both, and they're both fucking great.

[Killuah]

Karlhungus didn't post in here for months, where did he show off?

All I see is people telling him to "be creative" when stuff like "some dude/girl in the woods" and "my friends when we went on a trip into the mountains" is perfectly fine apparently.

Where is the difference in creativity between

[t]http://payload93.cargocollective.com/1/5/169040/4166191/5_1024.jpg[/t]

and

[t]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/247617_10151026824980493_1758071704_n.jpg[/t]

???

The only ones trying to brag here are, frankly,

[quote]Brian up there is a legit photographer by trade, he gets his kicks by posting commercial quality photos in amateur forums.[/quote]

[quote]You don't operate or think much outside of the flickr/facebook 'brotographers' world, do you? You make too many dismissive assumptions. You're not willing to at least empathize with an opposing viewpoint.
You practice the craft, not the discipline.
I'll just go home, 5000 bros can't be wrong.[/quote]

by suggesting that somehow more professional pictures are not ok in amateur forums and therefore devalueing their creativeness somehow which of course means that the more amateur stuff is somehow more worth of being posted and thus viewed.

The most laughable of course is the cheap sarcasm in
[quote]I'll just go home, 5000 bros can't be wrong.[/quote]
, somehow implying that if many people follow your work it is not ok to post it in here?

Lets read [quote]You make too many dismissive assumptions. You're not willing to at least empathize with an opposing viewpoint.[/quote] again because that is the same thing I've been told and it is important to me. I finally know what it reminds me of.

When some butthurt religious guy shouts [I]Respect my believes.[/I] as some delusioned excuse to destroy right and wrong and good and bad as equal, the fallacy of grey, and I think you guys need to read

[url]http://lesswrong.com/lw/mm/the_fallacy_of_gray/[/url]

Too long didn't read:
Butthurt amateurs telling Brian(?) to be "more creative", actually meaning(maybe without knowing themselves) "get down to our level".

Conclusion:

You can't preach freedom of art and creativeness in amateur pictures and dissmiss paid work as somehow less creative.
If anything it is more creative because additionaly to the picture itself it creates a monetary value and a story of what it is done, paid and used for. And that is a quality of a picture that an amateur picture that is just posted online can't even have.

[SL!P]

[quote][img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/8056051073_c9d70c8223.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/8056059190_673b53638e.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/8056063446_89cf343b90.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/8056077554_b53f2859ae.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/8056100836_c856497dbd.jpg[/img][/quote]

love each of these, very appealing to look at in each their own way.
very nice.