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A few from my trip to the Isle of Sheppey: [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829685598/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6829685598_bd5e57e316_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829685598/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829773112/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6829773112_68a9ba50d9_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829773112/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975820517/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6975820517_ef9584ea18_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975820517/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975817107/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7049/6975817107_f8452596d5_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975817107/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829688538/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6829688538_92239ddf8d_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6829688538/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr Will post more as I get through them.
Guys [B][I][U]I finally got my D3100[/U][/I][/B] First impression is that this thing is a fucking joy to use. Second one holyshit the pictures look so good. (The best camera I've hard before this was an incredibly shit 7MP sony.) Here's about four days of fooling around with it [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976114713/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7183/6976114713_4afcfdcf9d_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976114713/]leaf[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829987532/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/6829987532_74de8dd56c_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829987532/]alien plant thing[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976110813/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7180/6976110813_4b2c056770_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976110813/]flowers[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976106379/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6976106379_022cee7872_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976106379/]rose[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829992182/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7180/6829992182_43fa34a64a_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829992182/]Lexi[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829994816/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6829994816_0e82e297d2_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829994816/]Grey[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976108557/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7057/6976108557_372a070a98_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6976108557/]Yoss[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970223851/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6970223851_d767493781_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970223851/]dad[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829997978/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6829997978_e253edf050_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6829997978/]portrait[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr These two were taken through an old magnifying glass [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970224497/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7207/6970224497_2460b30d16_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970224497/]generic lens cap picture[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970225571/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7208/6970225571_1621106b6b_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/latin_geek/6970225571/]supamacro[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/latin_geek/]Latin Geek[/url], on Flickr
[url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita%20small.jpg[/img][/url] (Click for 1920 x 1280) Thought I'd take some pictures of my new PS Vita, and I think at least this one came out pretty good. Any criticism?
Dat detail, looks like an official still from Sony.
[QUOTE=NeoTurtle;35105820]just wanted to say cueball you have a good monitor i can barely see it on my shitty secondary, but it's p obvious on my ips monitor if you can't see it you're either in bad lighting conditions or you have a poorly calibrated/shit monitor or you have poor eyesight[/QUOTE] I cant see it at all on my monitor. I cant see it it the original, but i can see it in cueball's. Seen as both images come fro mthe same source they should look the same, yet they don't, so it's not a case of who has the better monitor as both results would normally look the same. [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=paul simon;35107694][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita%20small.jpg[/img][/url] (Click for 1920 x 1280) Thought I'd take some pictures of my new PS Vita, and I think at least this one came out pretty good. Any criticism?[/QUOTE] Looks awesome! Focal point is exactly where it should be. You'd make a great photographer for an advertising business. YOu could make quite a lot of money freelancing like that. IF that was on a solid white background, I'd think it was actually from sony.
thanks for the input! :D
more trippy shit for you guys! [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6830568566_5cff2dd33c_z.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7210/6976686703_dd98a25c0e_z.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Him1411;35109068]more trippy shit for you guys! [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6830568566_5cff2dd33c_z.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I think that the smaller frame in the middle could do with a touch of blurring to make it blend in more with the background, but other than that, you've pulled it off nicely. Well done. Some more from Sheppey: [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976427433/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6976427433_463bd17ac9_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976427433/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976431229/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6976431229_aca4154fce_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976431229/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976435049/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6976435049_3442f05e1b_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976435049/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976817565/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7044/6976817565_f1b4615239_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6976817565/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6830695892/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7049/6830695892_d767ee1e3b_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6830695892/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr And one from a party on saturday: [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975975935/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6975975935_856a7695e6_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinquast/6975975935/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/edwinquast/]edwin.quast[/url], on Flickr Unfortunately, a guy at that party climbed a tree and fell out. Hit the floor pretty hard. He's now in an induced coma at hospital. I've never met him, but he was pretty fucked on something... Fucking idiot. Hope he's alright though.
[QUOTE=DoubleDD;35106047]laptop screens ; ))))))[/QUOTE] hp probook 4320s it's matte but not sure if it's IPS [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=paul simon;35107694][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita%20small.jpg[/img][/url] (Click for 1920 x 1280) Thought I'd take some pictures of my new PS Vita, and I think at least this one came out pretty good. Any criticism?[/QUOTE] same damn black details around the ps vita bit [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] starting to think it's chrome
[QUOTE=cueballv2themax;35109700]same damn black details around the ps vita bit [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] starting to think it's chrome[/QUOTE] I have no clue what you're on about :v
Finally decided to upload some pictures. All of these were taken at a train station here in Sweden. My favorite photographs are the ones with the musician in the tunnel. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976966277/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/6976966277_6d01c411ed_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976966277/]IMG_3609[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976966451/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6976966451_1c2efeee96_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976966451/]IMG_3597[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976967309/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/6976967309_d49db30fd7_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976967309/]IMG_3707[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830840308/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6830840308_a52fa8c302_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830840308/]IMG_3687[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830840506/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7039/6830840506_3806b73598_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830840506/]IMG_3685[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830839450/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7180/6830839450_a041837ef0_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830839450/]IMG_3700[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976968061/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6976968061_4a3acf8f82_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976968061/]IMG_3755[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976969089/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/6976969089_1cc204d941_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976969089/]IMG_3732[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976968419/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6976968419_d1c655a597_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6976968419/]IMG_3742[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830841554/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/6830841554_97e077e4d3_b.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooe_df/6830841554/]IMG_3727[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/mooe_df/]Falckaren[/url], on Flickr [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cueballv2themax;35109700] same damn black details around the ps vita bit [editline]12th March 2012[/editline] starting to think it's chrome[/QUOTE] Dude, I also saw that thick black line on the photograph of that sign a page ago. But I'm not seeing any black details on the PS Vita.
[QUOTE=Pickwickian-;35109563]I think that the smaller frame in the middle could do with a touch of blurring to make it blend in more with the background, but other than that, you've pulled it off nicely. Well done. [/QUOTE] Yeah i noticed at last minute editing that it isn't very well blended, which it odd because it's exactly on the background where it was taken!
[QUOTE=paul simon;35107694][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita%20small.jpg[/img][/url] (Click for 1920 x 1280) Thought I'd take some pictures of my new PS Vita, and I think at least this one came out pretty good. Any criticism?[/QUOTE] Get a piece of white foam and place it above it (Off camera) so the reflection is clean. Also a deeper DOF with the whole Vita in focus would be more suitable as a product photograph. Otherwise really nice, could be used as an official advertisement.
Woof. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6974722127/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/6974722127_f5d5fe389a_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6974722127/]71/366[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977246163/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7061/6977246163_b9afc53e38_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977246163/]Ordering[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr
[QUOTE=Him1411;35109068]more trippy shit for you guys! [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6830568566_5cff2dd33c_z.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7210/6976686703_dd98a25c0e_z.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] EPICNESS. Also: [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wickerman123/6977422883/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7060/6977422883_6d96b558c6_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wickerman123/6977422883/]NOTICE[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/wickerman123/]Wickerman123[/url], on Flickr
I'd really appreciate C&C on that dump up there. [QUOTE=paul simon;35107694][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8478604/Good%20photography/PS%20Vita%20small.jpg[/img][/url] (Click for 1920 x 1280) Thought I'd take some pictures of my new PS Vita, and I think at least this one came out pretty good. Any criticism?[/QUOTE] This is fucking amazing I never understood how you guys got such nice reflections.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;35113192]I'd really appreciate C&C on that dump up there. This is fucking amazing I never understood how you guys got such nice reflections.[/QUOTE] Boring. I know you're just messing around with it, getting to know it, but they need more to it.
[URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/oscarjones/6831489174/in/photostream"][IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6831489174_33787d0454_z.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/oscarjones/6831489174/in/photostream"]51.365 [/URL]by marley h
I went to Stanford and U.C. Berkeley today, and forgot my camera :(
[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;35114404][URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/oscarjones/6831489174/in/photostream"][IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6831489174_33787d0454_z.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/oscarjones/6831489174/in/photostream"]51.365 [/URL]by marley h[/QUOTE] This is awesome! Really great scene here.
I feel bad for "spamming" my photos, seeing that people don't put input into it. (then again I don't ask for CC when I should, hehe) But anyways, what do you guys think of these photos? I've been getting into street photography a lot lately. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977904097/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7056/6977904097_a500b72c8f_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977904097/]Chilling [/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831774436/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6831774436_d046099703_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831774436/]Look at it![/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831772040/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6831772040_f15ed02b4c_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831772040/]Child at heart[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr This one is a little weird, I saw this man go out of his car and start playing with a super bounce ball whilst walking around the park I was at. I felt the urge to speak to him, then he left. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977897967/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6977897967_7d6aff7d22_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6977897967/]Business call[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr
I love those pictures. How did you make the black and white so... black and white (?) [QUOTE=PenguinKris;35115317] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831772040/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6831772040_f15ed02b4c_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiancarreon/6831772040/]Child at heart[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/kristiancarreon/]Kristian Carreon[/url], on Flickr This one is a little weird, I saw this man go out of his car and start playing with a super bounce ball whilst walking around the park I was at. I felt the urge to speak to him, then he left.[/QUOTE] Walt what are you doing in a playground you should be cooking drugs
I have black and white presets I downloaded from Eric Kim, a pretty popular street photographer. After downloading his presets, a lot of my post processing were similar to it. (Or really just bumping up the blacks and clarity more with his presets.)
Cant decide if I like either of these [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6978164917/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6978164917_5de6c316d3_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6978164917/]Piano2[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/sullyphotoagraphy/]Ohfoohy[/url], on Flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6978164479/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6978164479_ee38377b2b_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6978164479/]Piano[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/sullyphotoagraphy/]Ohfoohy[/url], on Flickr
@ohfoohy Can't help but feel the piano is too lost in the blacks. Like it just merges in to the background, the outer perimeter lines help define it but maybe if there's just a little more restoration of the lost blacks to give some more definition. But you could be playing along with the whole negative space feeling in which it works quite well imo. Can't tell which is better between the 2 either. Maybe B/W if there's this emphasis on negative space?
put one over the other at 50% opacity [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/bblYw.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=bopie;35116777]put one over the other at 50% opacity [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/bblYw.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6832125628/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6832125628_c056735667_z.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sullyphotoagraphy/6832125628/]Piano3[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/sullyphotoagraphy/]Ohfoohy[/url], on Flickr [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] Oh beat me to it [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] Got rid of the fire alarm thing.
[t]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/62766551/Vans2_1600.jpg[/t] I redid the shadows on the shoes because I realised it was so far from correct that it made the shoes stand out as fakes a lot more.
Would have been better if it was just the one shoe in the back there, the foreground shoe is just too ridiculous and shows too many flaws due to its size. I also think visually it's too distracting and doesn't fit as well - which also makes it less believable. The toe being on the edge of the composition is one of those things that makes it feel like there isn't much deliberate aesthetic awareness, just random plopping of components into the frame. (not talking about deliberate as in realism or a natural scene, more just artfulness and 'visually pleasing')
[QUOTE=latin_geek;35113192]I'd really appreciate C&C on that dump up there. This is fucking amazing I never understood how you guys got such nice reflections.[/QUOTE] Well that is one of my first photographs of that kind :v: We have a big window in the livingroom, and that's what provided the reflections.
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