[QUOTE=Tylerr;43565662]I'm aware, I just really wanna trip again one of these days.[/QUOTE]
But when you're a positive mood, please?
25c-nboh on its own is horrible. feels like your body is about to kill itself. horrible muscle spasms and unneeded speedyness and vasoconstriction. visuals are ok but very sub-par considering the side effects. just feels like a really really shitty stimulant with some visuals. i had it in combo with 25i-nboh at a rave and it was great and added a stimulant-esque edge, but i just tried it on its own and it's awful.
25i-nboh on the other hand is a slightly less potent but much improved version of the nbome and doesnt feel like it's harming your body and frying your mind like the nbome (or even 25c-nboh) does. nice chilled out psychedelic headspace and pretty visuals without the horrible speediness, vasoconstriction, anxiety, and general malaise of the 25c. feels safe to push into higher dosages and generally just seems really light on the body compared to the nbome.
just a heads up for anyone considering the -nboh series
25i is fucked, i'll just leave it at that
Hey guys. New to psys. My friends and I got what our dealer believes is LSD. I have two tabs. I'll be taking both because my friend said one hit was mild in his opinion. Anyway, I'm a bit confused on how to get high off tabs. You can swallow LSD and get high anyway, but supposedly it's different for NBOMes. In case it is an NBOMe, can someone tell me how to do this?
I'm a little confused by your post, but I assume you mean that even if it is an NBOMe, you want to get the effects? If so, just place it on/under your tongue and suck on it a little until the tab is almost gone (15-20 minutes). Then it should be an hour or so before you start feeling the effects, depending on the substance.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;43597658]I'm a little confused by your post, but I assume you mean that even if it is an NBOMe, you want to get the effects? If so, just place it on/under your tongue and suck on it a little until the tab is almost gone (15-20 minutes). Then it should be an hour or so before you start feeling the effects, depending on the substance.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I meant. Thanks man.
[QUOTE=EPphone;43597624]Hey guys. New to psys. My friends and I got what our dealer believes is LSD. I have two tabs. I'll be taking both because my friend said one hit was mild in his opinion. Anyway, I'm a bit confused on how to get high off tabs. You can swallow LSD and get high anyway, but supposedly it's different for NBOMes. In case it is an NBOMe, can someone tell me how to do this?[/QUOTE]
If you find the tabs start to numb your tongue, swallow that shit if you don't want to trip on nbome, and if it's acid, it'll still work anyways. The only real reason to take acid sublingually is to make that anticipatory anxiety you get before you get high shorter.
[QUOTE=zach1193;43598477]If you find the tabs start to numb your tongue, swallow that shit if you don't want to trip on nbome, and if it's acid, it'll still work anyways. The only real reason to take acid sublingually is to make that anticipatory anxiety you get before you get high shorter.[/QUOTE]LSD is more bioavailable sublingually rather than in your stomach. The stomach acid starts to destroy the sensitive LSD before it can all be absorbed. I should note that this isn't a considerable amount, but there's little reason to swallow actual LSD. If "acid" starts numbing your tongue, throw that shit out. That's an NBOMe.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43598602]LSD is more bioavailable sublingually rather than in your stomach. The stomach acid starts to destroy the sensitive LSD before it can all be absorbed. I should note that this isn't a considerable amount, but there's little reason to swallow actual LSD. If "acid" starts numbing your tongue, throw that shit out. That's an NBOMe.[/QUOTE]
Didn't know the bit about the stomach acid, but I was suggesting it in case they really didn't want to trip on an nbome
if you don't want to trip on a nbome , you will have to test your drugs
The tongue numbing and god-awful taste is a pretty good indication that it isn't LSD, but I guess if you're doing other RC's it might be hard to tell.
Well, I wanted to trip on the hit even if it was an NBOMe. I just heard that they are certain things you can do with LSD that you can't do with NBOMes (ex : you can swallow acid, but can't swallow NBOMes to get high) and I just wanted be sure.
So has MXE now gone to shit or something? I used to do it a fair amount by buying it through SR and I wanted to see what the costs were like nowand where I could get it. If anyone knows, please PM me?
So, I've never done an RC before. I'm interested, but i want to learn more. Is there a list?
[QUOTE=MEOWTFLOL;43640136]So, I've never done an RC before. I'm interested, but i want to learn more. Is there a list?[/QUOTE]
As I have come to learn, "research chemicals" is not actually a very good term. It just means that they're created in a lab by people who are often trying to circumvent drug laws (by saying they're not intended for human use etc). However, even after the laws catch up, they keep being called research chemicals. They're usually not very well studied due to being relatively new and not widely used. This means the risk of taking them is often greater than with other drugs, not necessarily because they're more dangerous, but because we just know less about them. The name has very little relation to what the drug will do to you, and much more to do with how the drug was created.
Some RCs have been around for a fair amount of time and have some fairly widespread usage, such as the 2Cs (particularly 2C-B) and some of the NBOMEs (particularly 25i-NBOMe). The most well-known RCs are mostly psychedelics, but opioids, stims, cannibanoids and steroids all have their fair share of RCs.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug#List[/url]
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;43641388]As I have come to learn, "research chemicals" is not actually a very good term. It just means that they're created in a lab by people who are often trying to circumvent drug laws (by saying they're not intended for human use etc). However, even after the laws catch up, they keep being called research chemicals. They're usually not very well studied due to being relatively new and not widely used. This means the risk of taking them is often greater than with other drugs, not necessarily because they're more dangerous, but because we just know less about them. The name has very little relation to what the drug will do to you, and much more to do with how the drug was created.
Some RCs have been around for a fair amount of time and have some fairly widespread usage, such as the 2Cs (particularly 2C-B) and some of the NBOMEs (particularly 25i-NBOMe). The most well-known RCs are mostly psychedelics, but opioids, stims, cannibanoids and steroids all have their fair share of RCs.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug#List[/url][/QUOTE]
LSD is a research chemical
correction edit: it was a research chemical
[QUOTE=scorpinat;43641506]LSD is a research chemical[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't.
[editline]23rd January 2014[/editline]
I've never seen a reliable source (erowid, wikipedia etc) describe LSD as a research chemical.
Every drug was a "research chemical" at one point. it basically means that its new and there is not much known about its effects
25C. Never again.
Absolute mindfuck, wildly distorted audio and crazy intricated delta-pattern visuals on everything. It's been 5 months and I still have afterglow.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;43641530]Every drug was a "research chemical" at one point. it basically means that its new and there is not much known about its effects[/QUOTE]
The word didn't exist (well, not in its current meaning) back when LSD was first synthesized and used.
well there was a time that we didn't name dogs ''dogs'' but that doesn't change that ''dog'' means dog...
Hell, in Holland its called onderzoeks chemicaliën... just because some american lab labels it Research chems, doesn't mean there are not different languages of the same thing
Sure its easy to just call it a RC. But that doesn't change the fact that all drugs have been ''onderzoeks chemicaliën'' at one stage.
Fair enough, but that doesn't mean it's still an RC at this point. And I don't think you'll find many people, much less actual experts, referring to LSD as a research chemical or even an ex-research chemical.
its because its not being researched anymore, but it definitely was something being researched by many scientists, even for military uses. i am sure they labeled lsd vials as ''research chemical C20H25N3O (6aR,9R)- N,N- diethyl- 7-methyl- 4,6,6a,7,8,9- hexahydroindolo- [4,3-fg] quinoline- 9-carboxamide''
in 50 years our current RC's will not be labeled RC's
[editline]23rd January 2014[/editline]
but alright, this is not worth a discussion man :P
[QUOTE=Javascript;43642798]25C. Never again.
Absolute mindfuck, wildly distorted audio and crazy intricated delta-pattern visuals on everything. It's been 5 months and I still have afterglow.[/QUOTE]
just tried it myself last night
was all fun and games until I smoked some weed
I know what you mean about those intricated delta-pattern visuals. Really warped
I decided to take 25i again with my friend, we went up near my mother's workplace to take it, we were going to have her drive us back when she got off work. We parked a block over and took our tabs, had the car off and no lights on, I saw my favorite car go past 2 times, that put my in a great mood. About 5 minutes later I saw a cop car pass us, then 2 come back and pulled us over. I must have went into some kind of anxiety attack, luckily we got away with no problems, but we ended up having to drive ourselves home while both of our tabs had just kicked in as hard as possible due to our adrenaline. We got back to my house and started talking like nothing had happened, which was driving me nuts because all I could think about was what had just happened. I just going insane with all of the thoughts. I decided that I knew I was going to have a bad trip, and there was nothing I could do about it. I walked into my room and told my friend I had to lay down. I layed there looping through everything that had just happened for about an hour, my friend became worried and got my 2 friends that had taken the same tabs an hour or 2 before, I went into complete shutdown after they got there, soon my mother arrived and tried to take care of me while this all happened, this all lasted for about 6-7 hours. Midway through I was going beyond insane with all of the looping, I looked up and told my mom I loved her, then fell back limp. I looked around and I saw everyone I ever cared about, loved, or was close to in life, just staring at me. At this point I accepted the fact that I was dead, and I wanted it, I just wanted the thoughts to go away. I don't think I'll ever forget what I saw.
Please people, be SO careful when messing around with research chemicals, don't go anywhere and take them, stay somewhere safe and positive.
[QUOTE=Tylerr;43665929]I decided to take 25i again with my friend, we went up near my mother's workplace to take it, we were going to have her drive us back when she got off work. We parked a block over and took our tabs, had the car off and no lights on, I saw my favorite car go past 2 times, that put my in a great mood. About 5 minutes later I saw a cop car pass us, then 2 come back and pulled us over. I must have went into some kind of anxiety attack, luckily we got away with no problems, but we ended up having to drive ourselves home while both of our tabs had just kicked in as hard as possible due to our adrenaline. We got back to my house and started talking like nothing had happened, which was driving me nuts because all I could think about was what had just happened. I just going insane with all of the thoughts. I decided that I knew I was going to have a bad trip, and there was nothing I could do about it. I walked into my room and told my friend I had to lay down. I layed there looping through everything that had just happened for about an hour, my friend became worried and got my 2 friends that had taken the same tabs an hour or 2 before, I went into complete shutdown after they got there, soon my mother arrived and tried to take care of me while this all happened, this all lasted for about 6-7 hours. Midway through I was going beyond insane with all of the looping, I looked up and told my mom I loved her, then fell back limp. I looked around and I saw everyone I ever cared about, loved, or was close to in life, just staring at me. At this point I accepted the fact that I was dead, and I wanted it, I just wanted the thoughts to go away. I don't think I'll ever forget what I saw.
Please people, be SO careful when messing around with research chemicals, don't go anywhere and take them, stay somewhere safe and positive.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Wowowow. I can seriously relate, but instead of being in my bed, like you, my mom wasn't around nor anyone I loved, just my friend I took the 25i with. But I aw my mom, my dad, and a doctor, and I was in a hospital bed, and then I died. I too accepted the fact that I died, and so when I was dead I was spawning couches and xboxs and playing games that didn't even exist in my friend's room. It felt all too fucking real. No more research acids
[QUOTE=Tylerr;43665929]I decided to take 25i again with my friend, we went up near my mother's workplace to take it, we were going to have her drive us back when she got off work. We parked a block over and took our tabs, had the car off and no lights on, I saw my favorite car go past 2 times, that put my in a great mood. About 5 minutes later I saw a cop car pass us, then 2 come back and pulled us over. I must have went into some kind of anxiety attack, luckily we got away with no problems, but we ended up having to drive ourselves home while both of our tabs had just kicked in as hard as possible due to our adrenaline. We got back to my house and started talking like nothing had happened, which was driving me nuts because all I could think about was what had just happened. I just going insane with all of the thoughts. I decided that I knew I was going to have a bad trip, and there was nothing I could do about it. I walked into my room and told my friend I had to lay down. I layed there looping through everything that had just happened for about an hour, my friend became worried and got my 2 friends that had taken the same tabs an hour or 2 before, I went into complete shutdown after they got there, soon my mother arrived and tried to take care of me while this all happened, this all lasted for about 6-7 hours. Midway through I was going beyond insane with all of the looping, I looked up and told my mom I loved her, then fell back limp. I looked around and I saw everyone I ever cared about, loved, or was close to in life, just staring at me. At this point I accepted the fact that I was dead, and I wanted it, I just wanted the thoughts to go away. I don't think I'll ever forget what I saw.
Please people, be SO careful when messing around with research chemicals, don't go anywhere and take them, stay somewhere safe and positive.[/QUOTE]
well, this can happen on any psychedelic.But glad you're OK now
[QUOTE=RusSlayer;43666073]Wow. Wowowow. I can seriously relate, but instead of being in my bed, like you, my mom wasn't around nor anyone I loved, just my friend I took the 25i with. But I aw my mom, my dad, and a doctor, and I was in a hospital bed, and then I died. I too accepted the fact that I died, and so when I was dead I was spawning couches and xboxs and playing games that didn't even exist in my friend's room. It felt all too fucking real. No more research acids[/QUOTE]
I feel for you man. I actually ended up in my mom's room, her and my friends put me there so I could rest better. The looping is beyond insane, the thoughts really got to me there. I'll never take a full tab of any research chemical again. Last time I took it, it hit me really intense, same with this time. Either way, I'll have to live with this for the rest of my life.
I never thought i'd actually welcome death.
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=scorpinat;43666105]well, this can happen on any psychedelic.But glad you're OK now[/QUOTE]
I understand that, but research chemicals are so much more dangerous, you really don't know what's going to happen with those, or how hard it's going to affect you.
Hey Tylerr, I don't really understand what looping means. Is it the literal definition?
[QUOTE=MEOWTFLOL;43640136]So, I've never done an RC before. I'm interested, but i want to learn more. Is there a list?[/QUOTE]
Check out PIHKAL and TIHKAL on erowid.
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=RusSlayer;43666073]Wow. Wowowow. I can seriously relate, but instead of being in my bed, like you, my mom wasn't around nor anyone I loved, just my friend I took the 25i with. But I aw my mom, my dad, and a doctor, and I was in a hospital bed, and then I died. I too accepted the fact that I died, and so when I was dead I was spawning couches and xboxs and playing games that didn't even exist in my friend's room. It felt all too fucking real. No more research acids[/QUOTE]
I've had similar feelings of absolute death on other drugs. Whenever I describe to people that I felt like I was dying, they say "Dude I woulda freaked out, what did you do?"...
"Well, I accepted the fact that I was dying, and I dealt with it"
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