[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44379340]fun fact feminists fight the very social construction that's telling this man that he has to enjoy all sexual violence that's inflicted upon him[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=isnipeu;44379415]It's sad how bad feminist stereotypes have become, there's too many people that think being a feminist means that you hate men and think women are superior when it's really just about equality.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between what is said and what is done, and for all the talk of gender equality almost no-one actually does anything about these kind of issues. There's not a lot of people out there who are actually against equality so it's more what is actually done that defines a movement, and as you'd expect feminism doesn't place this as a high priority.
I wouldn't expect anything else and I'm not complaining about feminists doing feminist things, but using it as a catch-all for equality or thinking vague terms like fighting social constructions or supporting equality mean anything in such a complex system is just misrepresenting the entire issue.
In the description for this, it mentions it being written by him (and his name is Andrew, not Will), and refers to itself as a 'monologue'. I don't get it, is it describing his feelings about a real-life event or is it just a monologue showing how these expectations can hurt male victims of rape? Since he seems to be a comedian judging by his website, this seems like a very randomly emotional thing to create.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;44379415]It's sad how bad feminist stereotypes have become, there's too many people that think being a feminist means that you hate men and think women are superior when it's really just about equality.[/QUOTE]
I blame this for Tumblr and several ''feminists' that don't do the concept right.
Sometimes I go like 'hah feminism' because everytime I hear something about it, it reminds me of those shitty tumblr blogs.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;44378002]Maybe this will silence those people saying "I'm so jealous of that boy that was raped by his teacher".[/QUOTE]
Is there anyone who takes this serious though? They read the news headlines and think "wow i'd have sex with her too", but wait, they're [I]adults[/I].
whoa dude is brave to speak on it.
not trying to make light of the situation, but this reminds me of chappelle's bit on man rape. even though the genders are different. he makes a good point about the double standard and the urge to keep it a secret. so you know there are many unheard stories just like this.
It's so hard to watch, as you literally can see almost bursting into tears at any moment at the end.
It really hits you hard.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;44379415]It's sad how bad feminist stereotypes have become, there's too many people that think being a feminist means that you hate men and think women are superior when it's really just about equality.[/QUOTE]
I call those feminazis.
poor lad
-snipped, going off topic-
[QUOTE=Steele92;44380026]Unfortunately us guys have to face the bleak truth that these standards and attitudes were put in place purposely or not by other men[/QUOTE]
Who cares? Wherever it originated from, this kind of culture isn't being perpetuated by the big bad patriarchy, it's being perpetuated by pretty much everyone. To get any kind of cultural change and fix this kind of attitude, you need to change the common culture, through stuff like this video. You're not going to change a thing if you just scapegoat men or the patriarchy, so why even bother bringing it up?
My bad, I didn't know quite how to word it so I just stuck with that, shouldn't have bothered I admit, of course it's perpetuated by everyone
That's a powerful video, damn. I hope it becomes relatively viral with the right groups.
I also think that the justice system is horrendously broken. There have been cases where women almost seemingly get off scott free when they rape a man. I cannot cite sources, but I do remember reading a fair amount of cases that ended up getting so little jail time.
Whereas it turns out, if a male raped a student in school or anywhere, they'd be thrown onto TV, have their face publicly humiliated, and probably be beaten to a pulp in prison where they would remain for 5 years or more.
The double standard shit has to stop, and this is maybe one topic that I agree we need groups combined to help fix this.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44380167]Who cares? Wherever it originated from, this kind of culture isn't being perpetuated by the big bad patriarchy, it's being perpetuated by pretty much everyone. To get any kind of cultural change and fix this kind of attitude, you need to change the common culture, through stuff like this video. You're not going to change a thing if you just scapegoat men or the patriarchy, so why even bother bringing it up?[/QUOTE]
When feminists talk about "patriarchy", generally they're not talking about a secret government cabal or conspiracy or whatever to keep women down, they're talking about a social system / culture that favors masculinity, encourages gender roles, and says stuff like "men can't be raped, they're strong and love sex all the time".
In other words: a culture perpetuated by pretty much everyone.
Dude rap is fucking funny.Long live Eminem.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44379061]i don't believe there are people that argued that at all, the attitudes toward male-rape are obviously a result of the patriarchy[/QUOTE]
This is what Rangergxi does in [I]every thread[/I] like this. He makes coy references to posts/members he has either misinterpreted or outright lied about and before you can get a serious response out of him to substantiate his argument he is already in the next thread, propping up strawmen. I've never seen a post on FP by anyone who said men can't be raped, especially from the people I'm almost certain he is referring to.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44381652]This is what Rangergxi does in [I]every thread[/I] like this. He makes coy references to posts/members he has either misinterpreted or outright lied about and before you can get a serious response out of him to substantiate his argument he is already in the next thread, propping up strawmen. I've never seen a post on FP by anyone who said men can't be raped, especially from the people I'm almost certain he is referring to.[/QUOTE]
You have pretty clearly not been in any of those "teen boy has sex with teacher" threads then. I can't say who we may or may not be referring to but I have absolutely seen people say that shit in those threads. Every time I've been in one.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;44381752]You have pretty clearly not been in any of those "teen boy has sex with teacher" threads then. I can't say who we may or may not be referring to but I have absolutely seen people say that shit in those threads. Every time I've been in one.[/QUOTE]
Then it should be easy to find a single post from someone saying that raping males is impossible because of the patriarchy. And I have been to those threads
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44326886]This needs to be posted in every thread like this. I can only speak for myself (and rely anecdotes from anonymous acquaintances at the time) but underage me found the idea of a relationship with an older woman exciting and intriguing, and so did a number of guys I know at the time. Without going into details, lets just say that my school at 15 had a very attractive English teacher that male students liked to converse about.
But that was me, and you can't apply your own experiences or thoughts to everyone else. We can't live in a society where 23 year olds are allowed to lure 13 year olds to their house for sex, regardless of gender, because some people have teen fantasies. It's not nice, it's not lucky. The amount of psychological damage alone that pedophilia can inflict on it's victim is awful. This child may likely never look at relationships the same way again. Egevenad, you might have "turned out fine", and it's not my place to psycho-analyze you over the internet, but that absolutely does not cover everyone.
This woman needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and taken some place where she gets the treatment she needs so she doesn't hurt children like this anymore, and these threads need less posts about how great being molested at 13 must be.[/QUOTE]
They aren't saying "rape against men is impossible because of patriarchy", its that their patriarchial attitudes towards genders and sex have instilled into them the idea that even pubescent and pre-pubescent children have this manly sexual urge and desire. It's not the same thing.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;44379415]It's sad how bad feminist stereotypes have become, there's too many people that think being a feminist means that you hate men and think women are superior when it's really just about equality.[/QUOTE]
Feminism isn't a unified movement. It has always had its schisms.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;44381752]You have pretty clearly not been in any of those "teen boy has sex with teacher" threads then. I can't say who we may or may not be referring to but I have absolutely seen people say that shit in those threads. Every time I've been in one.[/QUOTE]
There's probably one person on the forum who isn't banned who legitimately thinks this, and I cannot for the life of me work out when they started down that path as they used to be relatively sane.
But ex-members such as olde tpain and that never would argue such an absurd point, firstly because it's straight up factually incorrect, and secondly it would be going against one of the major tenants behind almost all the feminist movements. Rangergxi just seems to have this maddeningly huge persecution complex for some reason. He literally does this every thread possible, it's actually weird to not see the usual awful posts from him.
To be fair, it's really hard for someone to imagine what such a situation must have been like when they were not in it themselves, especially in the case of men.
The natural sexual drive that supports the fantasy contradicts the feeling of terror that most victims suffer when the fantasy becomes reality, which makes it hard for outsiders to actually feel like the victim.
[QUOTE=Jackald;44382199]I'm sure feminists will just say it's the patriarchy's fault for making that guy feel that he can't talk about being raped. #downwiththepatriarchy![/QUOTE]
It... is.
Patriarchy, the whole "men are strong and in charge" concept is why is difficult for him to talk about that, and why people laugh at the concept of male rape.
[QUOTE=Jackald;44382199]I'm sure feminists will just say it's the patriarchy's fault for making that guy feel that he can't talk about being raped. #downwiththepatriarchy![/QUOTE]
why did you feel the need to post this snarky comment.
[QUOTE=Jackald;44382199]I'm sure feminists will just say it's the patriarchy's fault for making that guy feel that he can't talk about being raped. #downwiththepatriarchy![/QUOTE]
epic zinger bro u sur showed them femiNAZIS!!!!
Holy shit are you really this thick?
[editline]28th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jackald;44382320]Because if we all just make serious comments all the time, it becomes a very boring place.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to make a joke, at least make it funny. Jesus fuck.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44379581]In the description for this, it mentions it being written by him (and his name is Andrew, not Will), and refers to itself as a 'monologue'. I don't get it, is it describing his feelings about a real-life event or is it just a monologue showing how these expectations can hurt male victims of rape? Since he seems to be a comedian judging by his website, this seems like a very randomly emotional thing to create.[/QUOTE]
Comedians have emotions and take things very seriously as well.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44379581]In the description for this, it mentions it being written by him (and his name is Andrew, not Will), and refers to itself as a 'monologue'. I don't get it, is it describing his feelings about a real-life event or is it just a monologue showing how these expectations can hurt male victims of rape? Since he seems to be a comedian judging by his website, this seems like a very randomly emotional thing to create.[/QUOTE]
Comedians should talk about serious things. Humour is meant to deal with bad stuff since it's kind of useless to make fun of and laugh about things that are great already. I'm not saying that rape is funny, but it can be put into humorous contexts that doesn't trivialise the victim like that man in the video.
[QUOTE=Jackald;44382320]Because if we all just make serious comments all the time, it becomes a very boring place.[/QUOTE]
so you'd rather make incendiary comments that are both boring AND offensive?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44379946]I call those feminazis.[/QUOTE]
probably shouldn't unless you want to be associated with rush limbaugh
[QUOTE=J!NX;44382416]Comedians have emotions and take things very seriously as well.[/QUOTE]
This is obviously true. I suppose I meant it more as in, the humour in it was very dark, if it even existed at all. Even if it isn't based on an event that occurred in real life, there are many to whom this has happened, and I think it did an amazing, moving job of showing those emotions. Either way, bravo to him, because it's either brilliantly written or a very raw show of how he feels about his life.
my mom said "men can't be raped" once
i flipped out at her so bad
i'm showing this to her
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44381908]There's probably one person on the forum who isn't banned who legitimately thinks this[/QUOTE]
I refuse to search through TPains posts but If you want you can browse through [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1288565"] this[/URL]
[QUOTE=person11;41422877]I still find the "anyone can be a rapist" argument to be hilarious. It's kinda hard not to link rape to men, no matter what you say. Most rapists are men, and rape is an issue involving a deep problem with how we treat gender in society. Rape is built into our society as a mechanism for the oppression of women, and saying that women can rape too moves the subject away from men's aggressions and sexism.[/QUOTE]
Really though, we should ignore male victims of rape because it detracts from more important issues.~
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44384164]I refuse to search through TPains posts but If you want you can browse through [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1288565"] this[/URL]
Really though, we should ignore male victims of rape because it detracts from more important issues.~[/QUOTE]
Ah that's who I was looking for! Person11, fuck knows what happened but Person11 seems to have broken and actually agreed with someone who was calling for the killing/ removal of a significant part of the male population to "force" the removal of the patriarchy.
TPain was never on those levels of stupid. Asshole? Sure. Stupid? Fuck no.
hi guys here to reiterate shit in a big post that's hard to miss
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44378257]These people are not as bad as the crazies who argue that men can't be raped because of "the patriarchy".[/QUOTE]
the problem is that it's a misinterpretation, people who say men can't be raped because they're part of the patriarchy are [i]misguided little shits who continue to enforce ~the patriarchy~[/i]. "The patriarchy" is the current socially accepted (and passively enforced) mentality that dictates that men can't be raped because they're men and are supposed to get all the sex they can handle all the time. It's the social norms that say guys are masculine and like race cars and grillin' burgers, girls are frilly and play with barbies and sweep floors and aren't breadwinners. the words "manly" and "girly" only have connotation to various behaviors because society as a whole accepts that they are what they've always been. Children with no built in "this is the way things work" dictionary always question why they have to play with what's considered the boy toys instead of the girl toys, and vice versa, because if something looks like fun to play with they don't give a fuck what color it is
The patriarchy is the thing that forms the attitudes against this guy, what caused the other guys to call him a faggot for trying to say he didn't like it. It's a shifting target that's casting way less of a shadow over society right now than it was a decade or two ago, but it's still a beast that needs some serious taming.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44379340]fun fact feminists fight the very social construction that's telling this man that he has to enjoy all sexual violence that's inflicted upon him[/QUOTE]
exactly
slightly on topic, I hate the term "social construct"- besides being another term abused as a buzzword by some like 'the patriarchy' is, it sounds like it implies some assholes got together and laid out a plan to just be douche nozzles about things, not that it's a long-time evolution of our social structures that were a bit more necessary long before we could consider ourselves a society
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44379946]I call those feminazis.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but idiots who believe in the stupid feminist stereotypes call ALL of them feminazis, so you have to be careful to not to use it in a way that would paint you as an idiot
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