• Atheists' view of world creation?
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[QUOTE=J Paul;33308585]It's just a chemical reaction, it's not like a magical thing or anything. If you get those certain things together in an environment similar to early Earth with those same conditions, that's what happens as a result. In fact there are a lot of settings where similar chemical reactions take place, like inside of meteorites, by lightning in certain atmospheres, and deep ocean vents. The life that currently lives around Earth's deep ocean vents is like the life that originally formed there, not like us, which is what makes those places under water so interesting to study. I mean you could also ask why hydrogen peroxide has an explosive reaction when in contact with silver and you'd get the same answer, it all has to do with how molecules interact given certain conditions. The first replicating molecule capable of storing data was probably RNA, but it was very well probably preceded by something less complex. You can actually read about all of this on wikipedia if you want a digestible version, but wikipedia is better used as a way to find credible sources of information from which you can read the information first-hand.[/QUOTE] Okay, read about the RNA world theory on wikipedia. Interesting idea, RNA evolving before life even existed. It definitively makes more sense than an intelligent being making DNA and stuff (because what made that being?). So I guess I'm back to being an Atheist again.
I just don't understand what created the cells (or whatever) that caused the big bang, I do believe in the Big Bang theory, but I also believe that there was some kind of overlord that did it.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;33336117]I just don't understand what created the cells (or whatever) that caused the big bang, I do believe in the Big Bang theory, but I also believe that there was some kind of overlord that did it.[/QUOTE] What exactly is the basis to assume that "some kind of overlord did it"? Wouldn't that leave you with more questions, like for example where that overlord came from?
[QUOTE=Noble;33336347]What exactly is the basis to assume that "some kind of overlord did it"? Wouldn't that leave you with more questions, like for example where that overlord came from?[/QUOTE] New evidence suggests that time existed before the big bang. What created time? EDIT: Noble is correct, I withdraw.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;33336472]New evidence suggests that time existed before the big bang. What created time?[/QUOTE] Time is a measurement which is relative to the observer. The big bang marks the moment when space and time began. I looked for the evidence you're referring to but I actually found a source that states the opposite, that there is no evidence that time existed before the big bang. [url]http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101210/full/news.2010.665.html[/url]
i still don't understand how time can be created. It justs, you know, happens. How did an explosion occur before time existed?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33337418]i still don't understand how time can be created. It justs, you know, happens. How did an explosion occur before time existed?[/QUOTE] This video is pretty quick and to the point: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6aQbnHSRo[/media]
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33337418]i still don't understand how time can be created. It justs, you know, happens. How did an explosion occur before time existed?[/QUOTE] I suppose since space and time are completely intertwined, they came into existence at the same time. But I guess 'the same time' isn't the right phrase. They were both created simultaneously.
the swell thing about being an atheist is that i have no need to know how the world came to be
Okay, that video actually raises lots of questions. How is time created, if time isn't a thing? and what about space? isn't space the lack of matter? how can we not have something that isn't a something? and how do we have multiple universes, if they are all infinitely big? (Warning: I admit, I have 0 understanding of Einstein's whole space-time continuum thing. thank you for dealing with me.)
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33338842]Okay, that video actually raises lots of questions. How is time created, if time isn't a thing? and what about space? isn't space the lack of matter? how can we not have something that isn't a something? and how do we have multiple universes, if they are all infinitely big? (Warning: I admit, I have 0 understanding of Einstein's whole space-time continuum thing. thank you for dealing with me.)[/QUOTE] Universes aren't infinitely large, however ours is expanding 'faster' than the speed of light. Imagine time as a dimension, like the other three spatial dimension. For instance, I might describe an object as existing 200 meters above ground, with longitude and latitude coordinates. I would say that it is at this position at whatever time. Unlike the other three, however, it only progresses in a single direction. Space is our universe - it possesses uniform physical characteristics, like time and the other 3 spatial dimensions (ignoring theories with call for additional dimensions because it's not really conducive to a simplistic understanding), and a great deal of vacuum energy. A simplistic understanding is that spacetime is the 'fabric' of the universe. Even though it contains very little physical matter, it still exists because contains spacetime and everything that entails. For space to truly have nothing in it, it must be not be in 'space' or in 'time'. How is time created? Well, we don't really know. It is similar to asking how length is created. As for infinite universes, concepts of space aren't really applicable considering that they occupy nothing. It's hard to think about what is outside our universe when every understanding, even at the often unintuitive quantum mechanical level, is utterly inapplicable. One thing that has bothered is that if infinite universes do exist, surely in some of them deity-like entities exist. Is this more or less unlikely then the possibility that our physical constants are so conducive to life? Then again, if infinite universes exist, then surely some of them contain life which has simulated life, and is our life a simulation? At the end of the day I shrug and ask whether this actually alters how people should act. The answer is usually to rely on the observable natural universe because it's about as close to 'real' as we can get at the moment.
[QUOTE=Contag;33340976]Universes aren't infinitely large, however ours is expanding 'faster' than the speed of light. Imagine time as a dimension, like the other three spatial dimension. For instance, I might describe an object as existing 200 meters above ground, with longitude and latitude coordinates. I would say that it is at this position at whatever time. Unlike the other three, however, it only progresses in a single direction. Space is our universe - it possesses uniform physical characteristics, like time and the other 3 spatial dimensions (ignoring theories with call for additional dimensions because it's not really conducive to a simplistic understanding), and a great deal of vacuum energy. A simplistic understanding is that spacetime is the 'fabric' of the universe. Even though it contains very little physical matter, it still exists because contains spacetime and everything that entails. For space to truly have nothing in it, it must be not be in 'space' or in 'time'. How is time created? Well, we don't really know. It is similar to asking how length is created. As for infinite universes, concepts of space aren't really applicable considering that they occupy nothing. It's hard to think about what is outside our universe when every understanding, even at the often unintuitive quantum mechanical level, is utterly inapplicable. One thing that has bothered is that if infinite universes do exist, surely in some of them deity-like entities exist. Is this more or less unlikely then the possibility that our physical constants are so conducive to life? Then again, if infinite universes exist, then surely some of them contain life which has simulated life, and is our life a simulation? At the end of the day I shrug and ask whether this actually alters how people should act. The answer is usually to rely on the observable natural universe because it's about as close to 'real' as we can get at the moment.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the info, I'll have to think on that. Time as a dimension. So time travel is technically possible?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33348620]Thanks for the info, I'll have to think on that. Time as a dimension. So time travel is technically possible?[/QUOTE] Traveling into the future? Absolutely, according to the theory of relativity. Time travel in the past would involve paradoxes, and to do it would require traveling faster than the speed of light (among some other ideas). If you have about 9 minutes to spare I recommend watching this video on relativity and time dilation. It's pretty easy to understand [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHRK6ojWdtUp[/media]
[QUOTE=ToxicX;33300590]Every planet in the universe was made by one giant space worm. Every planet was made by a shit that came out of the worm. Every sun was made a rare space glow worm. This is how the universe was made. Today the mighty space worm still flies in space creating one world after another.[/QUOTE] I like this mans view, he's clearly a genius... He deserves an Emmy award.
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