Nuclear Weaponry Thread - General

[QUOTE=Explosions;26419149] Wasn't that renamed to "The Nuka Launcher" in Japan?[/QUOTE] Bomb dropped on Nagasaki was called "Fat Man" so understandably they were unable to call it that. late, I know. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] I don't remember what the book was called, but it was sort of that there was a nuke detonated in Russia or somewhere, in a nuclear war, coinciding with some event (maybe galactic, don't know) and there was a resulting a fallout cloud that went around and down the world in a counter-clockwise spiral, and it was about the people in Australia-land with the city closest to the south pole, or something, and them being the last people alive and knowing they were gonna die. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=MenteR;26421082]The picture in OP is the Nagasaki explosion. This is the Hiroshima explosion: [img_thumb]http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/images/HiroshimaCloudLarge.gif[/img_thumb] Can you correct it, OP? By the way, here's some other shots of this beauty! [img_thumb]http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/munger/hiroshima.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://fugato.net/wp-content/hiroshima-mushroom-cloud.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://hsgm.free.fr/recent/bomb3.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://static.blogcritics.org/10/01/17/123789/HiroshimaCloudGroundLarge.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Atomic_cloud_over_Hiroshima_from_B-29.jpg[/img_thumb] [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] And here's a kid who's got his skin melted by the explosion. Atomic bombs are beaultiful! I'd pay to see an atomic bomb test![/QUOTE] And you've got one as your avatar :bravo:

[QUOTE=MenteR;26421082] Atomic bombs are beaultiful! I'd pay to see an atomic bomb test![/QUOTE] I don't want to see death accend into the sky.

[QUOTE=Fuhrer;26420392]depends on yield 1 gud sized cobalt bomb bout 250 megtons shuf fuk u up[/QUOTE] Not even that, a single MIRVed LGM-2C Titan II, loaded with several 750 kiloton fissile warheads programmed for surface detonation would heavily irradiate the local atmosphere, and raise the irradiated dust to stratospheric levels, therefore dooming anyone who happens to be in downwind of the radioactive cloud. [QUOTE=mr apple;26425733]I don't want to see death accend into the sky.[/QUOTE] You gotta admit though, death does make a beautiful explosion, even though it is composed of vaporizing heat, and radioactive destruction. Why does such danger, have such an allure?

[QUOTE=Perfumly;26419306]The nation as a whole is comprised mainly of innocent civilians. The government may have sucked but that doesn't mean you go and kill tens of thousands of people.[/QUOTE] yet we still won :downs:

American and proud, no sympathy for human life outside state border since Hiroshima. Edit: Seriously, attitudes like that piss me off about any superpower. America is the most annoying country in the world after Russia IMHO.

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426205]American and proud, no sympathy for human life outside state border since Hiroshima. Edit: Seriously, attitudes like that piss me off about any superpower. America is the most annoying country in the world after Russia IMHO.[/QUOTE] Good sir, as an American may I please remind you this thread is on the topic of nuclear weaponry and is not meant to be a dickwaving contest between countries?

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426205]American and proud, no sympathy for human life outside state border since Hiroshima. Edit: Seriously, attitudes like that piss me off about any superpower. America is the most annoying country in the world after Russia IMHO.[/QUOTE] You do know that.....nvm, I'm not wasting my time.

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;26426467]Good sir, as an American may I please remind you this thread is on the topic of nuclear weaponry and is not meant to be a dickwaving contest between countries?[/QUOTE] I was just quite annoyed by people justifying the murder of countless civilians to gain a victory. Like the person above my post. Anyways I would have very much liked to hear what Fuhrer would have said. Probably nothing actually convincing at all. Edit: America decided to mass slaughter civilians to win a war. How can you justify that with anything. Not any prison camp or combat losses.

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426572]I was just quite annoyed by people justifying the murder of countless civilians to gain a victory. Like the person above my post. Anyways I would have very much liked to hear what Fuhrer would have said. Probably nothing actually convincing at all.[/QUOTE] But you see, that victory was needed or there'd be a greater loss of life for both ends. It was clear the Japanese weren't going to give up.

I'm going to depart from this thread to leave it for the original topic but in my point of view, if there is such a place as hell, everyone who took part in deciding about the bomb strike while knowing the supposed effects is sure going in there.

Tsar Bomba best Bomba.

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426644]I'm going to depart from this thread to leave it for the original topic but in my point of view, if there is such a place as hell, everyone who took part in deciding about the bomb strike while knowing the supposed effects is sure going in there.[/QUOTE]:sigh: Do you have any idea what the projected casualties for an invasion of the Japanese mainland were? No? 1 million US soldiers, similar or worse number of Japanese soldiers. [b]10 million[/b] Japanese civilians. If you think the Allies should have taken that route instead of the bombs, you're a moron.

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426572]I was just quite annoyed by people justifying the murder of countless civilians to gain a victory. Like the person above my post. Anyways I would have very much liked to hear what Fuhrer would have said. Probably nothing actually convincing at all. Edit: America decided to mass slaughter civilians to win a war. How can you justify that with anything. Not any prison camp or combat losses.[/QUOTE] Well what I would have said was that not all americans agreed to dropping the bomb on japan back then. It was decided by a small group of people including the president so I dont get why everyone has to criticize the whole of america to this day like everyone was responsible for it. Also, America did kill a few hundred thousand civilians but what people must come to understand is that any other country would have done the same thing during world war 2 given the chance. I would almost have to say that it was a good thing that America was the first and only ones to use nukes in war because if it was any other counrty at that period of history there would have been a LOT more innocent deaths. If Japan figured out how to make an atom bomb, and they were close, they would have used it against the allies killing millions showing no restraint at all. Had the Germans used nukes in ww2 then the enitre countries would have been wiped out and the world would have been under nazi control. You must also take into consideration the fact that the americans used the bombs in order to end the war. To preserve life, not to end it. If america hadn't used the bombs then who knows what the outcome would have been and how many more people would have died. Do you think that if america or some other allied country had nukes before ww2 then that could have prevented the killion of 50 million people including 6 million jews by bombing a german city with the population of a few hundred thousand thus forcing hiter and his nazis to surrender? I do. So I guess we were lucky that the U.S nuked japan in a sense that it saved may peoples lives. Nowadays I guess the threat of nuclear war prevents many countries from actually going to war and has unified many nations in an effort to create world peace.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;26422060]C'mon Perfumely, I thought mods were supposed to be smart. They weren't making any assumptions. More people would have died in an invasion, it's confirmed. Projected allied losses from an invasion would have been 500,000. And that's not even counting the countless Japanese men, women, and children that would have subsequently been killed. The total losses from the two bombings, is roughly 200-250k Japanese lives. If you add in the amount killed by radiation sickness after the bomb dropped, Japanese records show it to be about 420,000 people. You may notice that that number alone is less than the projected allied casualties alone, not counting the millions of Japanese that would have been killed if an invasion had taken place. What other part of his statement was speculation then? The only thing left is that he said material damage would occur. And it's not like in the allied invasion of Japan all the infrastructure would be left untouched. Do you remember what France and Germany looked like after the allies were finished with them? Both of them were desolate places, almost every corner of their countries was ravaged by war. For god's sake look at German cities after we were done firebombing them. Not only had millions died, but the entire infrastructure of the city was annihilated due to the raging fires. Why do you suspect an invasion of Japan would lead to different results, especially when you consider the fanatical devotion of the population to their cause.[/QUOTE] I understand what you mean but i still think that much more people killed in a gun vs. gun war is better than only a few thousand by nuclear weapons. It's a senseless kind of dumb romantic morale but I can't drop it. It just seems.. right to me. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] And since there is no way we could assume what "would've happened" we can't really discuss that. The dropping itself without the "but it prevented worse things from happening" was wrong. The "what if" is out of question in a serious, fact based discussion. That's what i think.

Just thought I'd drop in with some KNOWLEDGE: [quote]I don't remember what the book was called, but it was sort of that there was a nuke detonated in Russia or somewhere, in a nuclear war, coinciding with some event (maybe galactic, don't know) and there was a resulting a fallout cloud that went around and down the world in a counter-clockwise spiral, and it was about the people in Australia-land with the city closest to the south pole, or something, and them being the last people alive and knowing they were gonna die.[/quote] The book is called [i]On the Beach[/i], it's a 1957 novel by Nevil Shute. Made into a film in 1959.

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426572] America decided to mass slaughter civilians to win a war. How can you justify that with anything. Not any prison camp or combat losses.[/QUOTE] Every single major power in World War Two killed civilians throughout the war. In most cases at least a million civilians were killed by each (in most cases, quite a bit more then that.)

[quote=wikipedia] During the Pascal-B nuclear test, a heavy (900 kg) steel plate cap (a piece of armor plate) was blasted off the top of a test shaft at an unknown speed. The test's experimental designer Dr. Brownlee had performed a highly approximate calculation that suggested that the nuclear explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, would accelerate the plate to six times escape velocity.[2] The plate was never found, but Dr. Brownlee believes that the plate never left the atmosphere (it may even have been vaporized by compression heating of the atmosphere due to its high speed). The calculated velocity was sufficiently interesting that the crew trained a high-speed camera on the plate, which unfortunately only appeared in one frame, but this nevertheless gave a very high lower bound for the speed. After the event, Dr. Robert R. Brownlee described the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence as "going like a bat!"[3][4] This incident was reputedly used as part of the technical justification for the Orion project for possible use of nuclear blasts for outer-space propulsion. [/quote] Woah! [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=mr apple;26423504]Saw a video about that. Stupidest creation ever, the distance it could fire also affected the firers with radiation.[/QUOTE] Was it this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khyZI3RK2lE[/media] Its called the Davy Crockett: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device[/url])

Nuclear weaponry never ceases to amaze me, in a fraction of a second so much heat and light and other forms of energy are given off, super heating everything in range, melting it, burning it, atomizing it in less than a second.... Wow

And old footage of Davy Crockett: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiM-RzPHyGs[/media]

This thread needs more RT-2UTTkh Topol M [URL="http://img9.imageshack.us/i/800px79221.jpg/"][IMG]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7185/800px79221.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[QUOTE=Gmans Granny;26430311]This thread needs more RT-2UTTkh Topol M [URL="http://img9.imageshack.us/i/800px79221.jpg/"][img_thumb]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7185/800px79221.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE] I don't think those little fire extinquishers are gonna help if that thing catches light.

Woah shit the amount of wheels.

I'm looking for a certain nuke test, I don't know if anyone of you guys know which test it is. It's the one at 02:40-02:50. Ignore the song. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZYKSDbwQE[/media]

[QUOTE=Falchion;26426572]I was just quite annoyed by people justifying the murder of countless civilians to gain a victory. Like the person above my post. Anyways I would have very much liked to hear what Fuhrer would have said. Probably nothing actually convincing at all. Edit: America decided to mass slaughter civilians to win a war. How can you justify that with anything. Not any prison camp or combat losses.[/QUOTE] So lets just have the government throw more soldiers at the problem since by your logic they're not considered human beings, or civilians.

[QUOTE=Novangel;26419291]fcuk your shit [img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/cc96b91a9141f921223fdf60801c067c.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Been there. Aberdeen Proving Grounds! :D I love that place.

[QUOTE=Saza;26420910]actually Megaton didn't appear in the game IIRC, if not it wasn't as the other versions had it.[/QUOTE] As far as The Vault says, the section of the quest [i]The Power of the Atom[/i] that let you blow Megaton sky-high was effectively removed by deleting Mr. Burke from Moriarty's Saloon. Deleting Megaton entirely would leave a huge hole in the game, as it is the first place most players go to to look for James, and also eliminates other things like [i]The Wasteland Survival Guide[/i] quest, the Megaton House (which would render the entire game house-less due to the Tenpenny Tower Suite being unattainable), unique items like the Armored Vault 101 Suit, and all references from other areas would have to be purged, such as the Overseer's Terminal in Vault 101 and large amounts of dialogue. Trust me, it would be a massive headache to go through for Bethesda. One missed line, one surviving terminal command, and Japanese players would instantly ask, 'What's Megaton?' [QUOTE=16bit;26420643]They changed the model of the bomb[/QUOTE] Nah, I don't think they did that either. They would also have to modify Fort Constantine, as the ruins have a large amount of warheads that are exactly like the Megaton bomb. It would be less of a headache compared to deleting the entire city, but still a headache. The Nuka-Launcher is quite less; just change the name and you're golden. (According to The Vault, it is still referred to as the Fat Man in dialogue, but I never saw any dialogue involving the uncensored title.)

[QUOTE=Novangel;26419291]fcuk your shit [img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/cc96b91a9141f921223fdf60801c067c.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Is that a... Nerf launcher?

[QUOTE=Perfumly;26419257]Yeah those innocent civilians totally got what was coming to them. (please die)[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogout.gif[/img] Go back to Japan, Perfumly. We don't want you on our side. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] If WWIII starts, Perfumly would probably join their side, anyway. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] It was a war, that's how wars work. They killed our innocents in Pearl Harbor, we kill theirs. 9/11, we destroyed two countries for our two buildings. It's just how it works.

Japan would be on USA's side in WWIII, so yeah, Perfumly would be on their side [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] not to say you didn't make a point

[QUOTE=PeanutTHENINJA;26439256]Japan would be on USA's side in WWIII[/QUOTE] oh thank goodness, I could just imagine their horrific strategy in crippling the US they start with the CHILDREN [sp]they stop exporting nintendo products[/sp]