The Dark Knight Rises - By Christopher Nolan. ->Use spoiler tags<- - General

[QUOTE=ZF911;36852323]Okay thank you. I'll be seeing this again. Just a couple more questions. Were [sp]Talia and Bane intending to die in the blast themselves? Why did it take 6 months to carry out his plan?[/sp] [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] Yeah I saw the first two from 6 pm to midnight as well. And even though I tried I couldn't get myself to sleep yesterday during the day. I'll see it most likely next week.[/QUOTE] [sp]I guess so. Martyring yourself isn't that uncommon. And because that's how long the fusion device took to decay.[/sp]

Also they [sp]really didn't care for their own lives so much as their commitment to their cause[/sp]

I wonder how the Denver shooting is going to effect sales.

[QUOTE=Color;36852379]I wonder how the Denver shooting is going to effect sales.[/QUOTE] The way I see it, it shouldn't really effect general film-going, but midnight-showings might take a pretty big hit.

[QUOTE=Dvd;36852093]That's not a good enough answer. This has been bothering me too since I just saw it. Honestly, I think that is the largest plot hole I have ever witnessed in ANY movie. [sp]Let's break this down: Bruce Wayne is in the middle of nowhere. Middle East, Africa, South America, wherever. He's in a desert. He has no money. No passport. No identification. Even if he got access to an ATM, he has no funds since Bane crashed all of his accounts. Gotham City is covered in ice and snow and under quarantine. All of the bridges are destroyed except one. The army are stopping everyone from getting near it. Plus the city itself is patrolled by Bane's forces. Somehow, Batman escapes from the hole in Scene A, then in Scene B he magically appears in Gotham City. No one even questions this. They don't even try to lampshade it. It's just "Oh, you're here" and onto business! How the FUCK did he get from the middle of nowhere to Gotham City with NOTHING? And the space of time it seemed to take him was ridiculously fast too, unless I missed something.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]5 months passed in total since the activating of the bomb. As I recall Bruce Wayne escaped from the pit 20 or so days before the end, because the scene was right next to one in Gotham where they mentioned the time.[/sp]

I hope that there's a director's cut that adds shitload of possibly deleted scenes in. At least it could possibly help to fill in the plot holes. I really wouldn't mind it being longer.

Gah I'm not seeing this until Wednesday at the IMAX.... can't wait.

[QUOTE=Scotchair;36852589]Gah I'm not seeing this until Wednesday at the IMAX.... can't wait.[/QUOTE] I'm not seeing this until I get back from my holiday after 2 weeks, imagine how I feel.

Incredibly sad what happened with the shooting, god damn, what an asshole.

This film was the opposite of Prometheus for me. Every time I thought I saw a plot hole it disappeared when i actually thought about it. :v: [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] Seeing all three films back to back is the best way to experience this trilogy by the way. DKR really brought together the themes of the first two very nicely, whilst still being fresh and unique.

I feel like they tried to fit too much shit into one movie; which ended up leaving out some pretty important stuff - I still fucking loved it, and now I have batman closure. I can live with this. [sp]I though some shit was a little too corny, like the fucking batwing; in Batman Begins they explain all the gadgets, like the armor was designed for soldiers it works like this, the armored car is this and that - in this movie Morgan Freeman is just like oh shit look what I magically acquired like everything else from our secret lucrative business, a fucking flying thing that doesn't make sense and can't exist! Oh by the way! Let me foreshadow by saying the faggot pilot doesn't poop![/sp] But don't get me wrong, I fucking loved it.

[sp]talia's death looked really stupid, Marion really disappointed me there[/sp]

Bane was just as scary as the Joker in DK, but in a completely different way.

Wow, that's a tragedy what happened in Colorado. Thoughts go out to the families affected. ...and as terrible as it sounds, as someone who wanted to see this movie beat the Avengers' records, I'm also concerned that this could deal a blow to the box office potential of the movie. But obviously, I care more about the shooting itself than any potential records, because if I didn't I'd probably be an asshole.

Well, I've got to say... for the first hour or so I wasn't optimistic about the movie. The structure and pacing were just all over the place, and there was no identifiable focus. I mean, you've got Bane running around I guess but you barely see him. But at some point the movie REALLY found its stride. Right around when [sp]Bane breaks Batman, I think.[/sp] From that point on the movie was just incredible. What I found really, really amazing about it was the tone... it's such a departure from Begins and The Dark Knight. Those two both felt a little like crime movies, but this one... it was just apocalyptic. Wow. Also, the ending sequence. Best ending sequence ever. They wrapped up everything so perfectly. [sp]Like normally I'd be angry if they were like "oh he died, wait no he didn't!!!" but the implication was obviously that Batman DID die... and Bruce Wayne's able to live again. It was just so great.[/sp] Also, I totally didn't see [sp]Talia[/sp] coming. [sp]When she was like "He's not Ra's Al Ghul's child. I AM!" I fangasmed and was like OH MY GOD IT'S TALIA!![/sp] Oh, another thing I really appreciated about the movie... when I heard that Bane was [sp]part of the League of Shadows, I thought it was going to make the second movie feel pointless, since it'd be the only one unrelated to the League.[/sp] But the movie really pulled the whole franchise together so well. I'm extremely happy I went to the whole-franchise marathon. [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] Well actually, I think the structure and pacing problems went beyond the first act. It kept jumping time periods (oh it's five months later, oh it's two weeks later, blah blah blah) and it raised more issues than it could properly deal with. ([sp]The policemen in the sewers? Were they all just hangin' out or something? I feel like we should have heard more about how they must have been starving to death or something. No sunlight for 6 months, and they're immediately ready to fight a war after getting out?[/sp]) I also don't fully understand why it was set 8 years after The Dark Knight. What did that accomplish, really? It also made Bruce seem like a complete wuss. [sp]WAHH RACHEL DIED TIME TO GO INTO HIDING FOR 8 YEARS AND MOPE ABOUT HOW SHE WAS WAITING FOR ME[/sp]

I loved it but it just didn't hit me the same way The Dark Knight did; that movie was PERFECT.

[QUOTE=postmanX3;36854874]Well, I've got to say... for the first hour or so I wasn't optimistic about the movie. The structure and pacing were just all over the place, and there was no identifiable focus. I mean, you've got Bane running around I guess but you barely see him. But at some point the movie REALLY found its stride. Right around when [sp]Bane breaks Batman, I think.[/sp] From that point on the movie was just incredible. What I found really, really amazing about it was the tone... it's such a departure from Begins and The Dark Knight. Those two both felt a little like crime movies, but this one... it was just apocalyptic. Wow. Also, the ending sequence. Best ending sequence ever. They wrapped up everything so perfectly. [sp]Like normally I'd be angry if they were like "oh he died, wait no he didn't!!!" but the implication was obviously that Batman DID die... and Bruce Wayne's able to live again. It was just so great.[/sp] Also, I totally didn't see [sp]Talia[/sp] coming. [sp]When she was like "He's not Ra's Al Ghul's child. I AM!" I fangasmed and was like OH MY GOD IT'S TALIA!![/sp] Oh, another thing I really appreciated about the movie... when I heard that Bane was [sp]part of the League of Shadows, I thought it was going to make the second movie feel pointless, since it'd be the only one unrelated to the League.[/sp] But the movie really pulled the whole franchise together so well. I'm extremely happy I went to the whole-franchise marathon. [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] Well actually, I think the structure and pacing problems went beyond the first act. It kept jumping time periods (oh it's five months later, oh it's two weeks later, blah blah blah) and it raised more issues than it could properly deal with. ([sp]The policemen in the sewers? Were they all just hangin' out or something? I feel like we should have heard more about how they must have been starving to death or something. No sunlight for 6 months, and they're immediately ready to fight a war after getting out?[/sp]) I also don't fully understand why it was set 8 years after The Dark Knight. What did that accomplish, really? It also made Bruce seem like a complete wuss. [sp]WAHH RACHEL DIED TIME TO GO INTO HIDING FOR 8 YEARS AND MOPE ABOUT HOW SHE WAS WAITING FOR ME[/sp][/QUOTE] Oddly, I figured out [sp]Talia's 'big reveal' the second I heard Miranda's accent. What DID surprise me, immensely, was the reveal of John Blake as Robin, Bruce Wayne actually surviving, and Alfred leaving. I was also impressed by how effortlessly Bane made the city his own and how he appeared to be half a dozen steps ahead of everyone else. It was nice to see Ra's Al Ghul make a spiritual return as well.[/sp]

I know this maybe off topic but it's batman ish question but what is the difference between robin and nightwing? i've not really taken note to them two.

[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;36855020]I know this maybe off topic but it's batman ish question but what is the difference between robin and nightwing? i've not really taken note to them two.[/QUOTE] Right OK comic knowledge dump incoming. Dick Grayson was the first Robin and who's parents were acrobats and died. Batman adopted him and trained him as a child and he became Robin. When Dick got to about 17 he decided he wanted to do his own thing and became Nightwing. He did his own thing in a different town but visits Gotham a lot. The second Robin, Jason Todd, was a kid Batman found trying to steal the Batmobiles tires. He was a dick, a dumbass and was eventually beaten to death by the Joker with a crowbar and the building he was in blew up. Things get cloudy around here because of retcons but what happens is he comes back as someone called the Red Hood and is out to kill Bats for letting Joker getting away with his murder. Bats and Red Hood are currently on rough terms but they'll work together if they're forced to. Then there's Tim Drake who found out Batman was Bruce Wayne and became Robin because after Jason's death he was kind of wallowing in his own sadness and was pretty unstable without a Robin. He's now a hero called Red Robin. Then there was Stephanie Brown but I don't anything about her but she became Batgirl for 8 years after that gig. The current Robin is Damian Wayne, Bruces and Talias son who was trained to be a master killer but eventually joined his father and became Robin.

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I think I figured out by biggest problem with the film. Maybe it's just because I'm so used to comic and animated Bats but [sp]the idea of Bruce leaving Gotham just seems wrong. In The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Beyond Bruce stayed in Gotham as it's protector and was Batman until he was physically unable to be Batman. He knew that once he had started being Batman there would be no going back to living a normal life. Even when he wasn't Batman he looked after Gotham via Wayne industries.[/sp]

[sp]I don't like how they dubbed over Tom Hardy's voice in the prologue because it sounds like he is in a room recording his lines, whereas the other actors are speaking inside a plane.[/sp] This film was amazing, the ending brought me to tears.

[QUOTE=Takuat;36855364]I think I figured out by biggest problem with the film. Maybe it's just because I'm so used to comic and animated Bats but [sp]the idea of Bruce leaving Gotham just seems wrong. In The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Beyond Bruce stayed in Gotham as it's protector and was Batman until he was physically unable to be Batman. He knew that once he had started being Batman there would be no going back to living a normal life. Even when he wasn't Batman he looked after Gotham via Wayne industries.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I'd agree with you, but I think the Nolan trilogy set itself up as a distinct enough universe from the other Batman franchises to excuse pretty much anything they wanted to do with it. I loved the "passing of the torch" on to Robin/Nightwing, it let Bruce move on with his life AND it gave Gotham a new hero. Even though we probably won't see any Nightwing movies, it was really satisfying to see them tie everything up with Wayne so well; it wouldn't make sense for a 50 year old man to keep going like in Dark Knight Returns. Made much more sense that Robin ended up as a successor rather than a sidekick in this universe.[/sp]

Two questions: 1.Why was Bain's voice what it was? 2.What was the chant? This Is _____. I couldn't make it out.

[QUOTE=NO ONE;36855927]Two questions: 1.Why was Bain's voice what it was? 2.What was the chant? This Is _____. I couldn't make it out.[/QUOTE] 1. What do you mean? His accent or the muffling from the mask? [sp]His British accent makes sense since he probably learned english from Ra's a Ghul/The Mercenary (who was British). His voice was muffled because... He wore a mask.[/sp] 2. They were saying [sp]Rise[/sp], apparently. Maybe a foreign phrase that means something similar.

[QUOTE=NO ONE;36855927]Two questions: 1.Why was Bain's voice what it was? 2.What was the chant? This Is _____. I couldn't make it out.[/QUOTE] the chant is deshi basara which means rise....

[QUOTE=NanoSquid;36855839][sp]I'd agree with you, but I think the Nolan trilogy set itself up as a distinct enough universe from the other Batman franchises to excuse pretty much anything they wanted to do with it. I loved the "passing of the torch" on to Robin/Nightwing, it let Bruce move on with his life AND it gave Gotham a new hero. Even though we probably won't see any Nightwing movies, it was really satisfying to see them tie everything up with Wayne so well; it wouldn't make sense for a 50 year old man to keep going like in Dark Knight Returns. Made much more sense that Robin ended up as a successor rather than a sidekick in this universe.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yeah I guess I just have a case of "NOT MY BATMAN!" but within the limitations and characterization of Nolans Bruce it does make sense. But god when they revealed his name was Robin it really annoyed me. They should of just referred to the character as Richard through out the film and at the end they ask for his full name and he just answers with Richard Grayson. That way you can mirror the idea of Dick taking up the cowl in "Batman & Robin" (the comic) to it. Hell even if he just became Nightwing.[/sp]

[QUOTE=NanoSquid;36855972]1. What do you mean? His accent or the muffling from the mask? [sp]His British accent makes sense since he probably learned english from Ra's a Ghul/The Mercenary (who was British). His voice was muffled because... He wore a mask.[/sp] 2. They were saying [sp]Rise[/sp], apparently. Maybe a foreign phrase that means something similar.[/QUOTE] Well I obviously knew his voice was muffled, I just felt that it was a random accent. But I suppose it makes sense based of what you said.

Well a news reporter/consultant just compared the shooter to the Joker and said "As we all know, Batman 3 is all about the Joker's revenge."

[QUOTE=Takuat;36855999][sp]But god when they revealed his name was Robin it really annoyed me. They should of just referred to the character as Richard through out the film and at the end they ask for his full name and he just answers with Richard Grayson. That way you can mirror the idea of Dick taking up the cowl in "Batman & Robin" (the comic) to it. Hell even if he just became Nightwing.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Honestly having his name be Robin was just a little thing to make the more casual fans know what was going on. Everyone knows Batman and Robin, but not many people who see these movies would recognize the name Dick Grayson. Once again, different universe and all.[/sp] [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ZF911;36856378]Well a news reporter/consultant just compared the shooter to the Joker and said "As we all know, Batman 3 is all about the Joker's revenge."[/QUOTE] Wow, not only is that asinine, misinformed and stupid, that's fucking rude.