The Dark Knight Rises - By Christopher Nolan. ->Use spoiler tags<- - General

Just came back from watching this immense film. It's good to know that [sp]Bruce appeases Alfred in the end[/sp], and that there's [sp]still a Batman afterward[/sp], it was very touching indeed. It's just, how did [sp]Batman get out of the nuclear blast[/sp], and what's with [sp]Bane sticking the drip into that guy at the beginning?[/sp]

Wasn't there a line in Batman Begins about how Batman can go above the law and do things that police can't? [sp]This could be an explaination for why Blake becomes Blakeman besides "OH NEATO A BATCAVE."[/sp]

[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36946812]Wasn't there a line in Batman Begins about how Batman can go above the law and do things that police can't? [sp]This could be an explaination for why Blake becomes Blakeman besides "OH NEATO A BATCAVE."[/sp][/QUOTE] I thought that line was in The Dark Knight.

[QUOTE=Charybdis;36946735]and what's with [sp]Bane sticking the drip into that guy at the beginning?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I'd assume to get a blood sample of either him, or the doctor in that body, so when they recover it, and blood tests would be false positives. But it's still silly.[/sp]

Just came back from seeing it, it was awesome. Bane was a goddamn BEAST [sp]although I expected Batman to get absolutely smashed the first time around, he atleast put up a good fight and got a few hits in right before having his back broken. Despite a few minor plot holes, they were easy enough to look over, I was too busy enjoying everything else that went on (which is unlike me, usually my bullshit detectors go off)[/sp] Overall, a really good film, well worth seeing. The Batman triology is now at an end, and I loved every film. Good job, Nolan + crew

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;36946899]I thought that line was in The Dark Knight.[/QUOTE] Yep, it was pertaining to Batman going to Hong Kong.

Honestly [sp]Talia's death was so cringe-worthy, in fact her entire role as a major villain at the end of the movie felt unnecessary and stupid, Bane was a much more interesting villain and the backstory of him alone was alot better with him being the child. In the first fight with Batman when the lights get turned off he even states "I was born in the dark" implying once again that he was the child. Ugh I am just really disappointed by her presence in this film. Her acting is even sub-par in comparison to the others.[/sp] All in all after watching the film twice now, I can say that the film is good. The cinematography is brilliant, Nolan is the man when it comes to that. But the story and pacing just felt...eh.

My summarisation of this film is, [sp] Why did Talia even need to be in it? You spent the whole film, all the PR, everything, building up Bane as the big villain. Then he gets shot once and we don't see him again and suddenly Talia is the mastermind! mwahahah! mwahaha-oh she's dead. Uh. [/sp]

[QUOTE=cyclocius;36948977]My summarisation of this film is, [sp] Why did Talia even need to be in it? You spent the whole film, all the PR, everything, building up Bane as the big villain. Then he gets shot once and we don't see him again and suddenly Talia is the mastermind! mwahahah! mwahaha-oh she's dead. Uh. [/sp][/QUOTE] like i said before [sp]to make bane not completely mindless and just trying to get revenge for raz[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dr Bob;36945176]I don't see what the big problem is here. Earlier you say that it's like they ran out of money, but that's just nonsense.[/QUOTE] What I mean is that I don't get why they felt like editing it in that way, instead of just showing the guy [sp]getting shot[/sp] which would have been more impactful and would have made more sense altogether.

Just came back from the movie. First thing on my mind is that TDKR wasn't better than TDK for me. Well, to be clear, I like TDK more than TDKR. But only as a whole because this movie had some very powerful moments. I also gotta agree with Half in the Bag review were they said this movie really focused on Batman's story arc. My only problem [sp]was introducing Talia as a villain. She was a bit unnecessary and revealed herself a bit too late. But I realized she being the daughter of Ra's was a nice way to entirely wrap up the League of Shadows arc.[/sp] I loved the ending. [sp]Mainly because Batman's death felt a bit unoriginal. Having a happy ending was a pleasant surprise.[/sp] Was I the only one who thought [sp]"Quinn, you stupid fucker!" when the cop blew up the bridge?[/sp] Only Dexter fans will get this.

Bane's plan was just mindless idealism that would end with[sp]the bomb detonating as a warning to the world about such things as distribution of wealth etc. The fact it came during Gotham's 'peacetime' was purely to avenge Raz's death.[/sp]

Also if anything I would have expected [sp]talia[/sp] to help Batman rather than [sp]catwoman[/sp]. I mean it would have been better to [sp]have her try to stop Bane and go against her father's will because he was kind of a killer psychopath[/sp] rather than shove her in at the last minute, only to [sp]killer her off immediately after as the main villain[/sp].

Came back from and I love but the only thing that bothers me is [sp]why is there a nuclear bomb somewhere in the tunnel? Am I missing something?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Devil Traitor;36949717]Came back from and I love but the only thing that bothers me is [sp]why is there a nuclear bomb somewhere in the tunnel? Am I missing something?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It's not a nuclear bomb, well at least it didn't start off as one. Originally Bruce Wayne has spent pretty much all of his company's money in an energy project which resulted in the creation of a unique Fusion Reactor, able to power up an entire city without any need for oil or any other energy source. But then some Russian scientist found out how to turn it into an atomic bomb, so Wayne shut down the whole project and hid the reactor in some hidden vault below sea level, which ran Wayne Enterprise to the ground. And then Bane kidnapped that scientist and found the reactor by going through the tunnels and turned it into a bomb[/sp]

[QUOTE=Charybdis;36946735]Just came back from watching this immense film. It's good to know that [sp]Bruce appeases Alfred in the end[/sp], and that there's [sp]still a Batman afterward[/sp], it was very touching indeed. It's just, how did [sp]Batman get out of the nuclear blast[/sp], and what's with [sp]Bane sticking the drip into that guy at the beginning?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]so that when the government came to identify the bodies, they would identify that corpse as that of the russian scientist.[/sp]

As a football fan, I was curious about the remark [sp]about Gordon's wife taking the children to Cleveland when the film was made in Pittsburgh. That gave me a chuckle.(Go Steelers/Rogues!)[/sp] Also, I knew immediately [sp]that Talia was Talia. The moment they mention Ras having a child, I knew it was her because there were only two female characters in it, and the other is Catwoman.[/sp]

Also, I just got back from my second viewing of the film, and [sp]the moment when Bruce is on that hanging edge in The Pit, and he looks up, and the bats fly out, and the camera shows the prisoners chanting, and then he finally rises out of the pit and stands tall above it will always haunt me as one of the greatest moments in cinema. moved me almost as much as when Andy crawls out of the sewer and stands in the rain in Shawshank.[/sp] [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36950220]As a football fan, I was curious about the remark [sp]about Gordon's wife taking the children to Cleveland when the film was made in Pittsburgh. That gave me a chuckle.(Go Steelers/Rogues!)[/sp] Also, I knew immediately [sp]that Talia was Talia. The moment they mention Ras having a child, I knew it was her because there were only two female characters in it, and the other is Catwoman.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]In that respect, I'm glad I'm not a comic book junkie, because today I did some reading on the source material, and, yea, the true identity of Ra's al Ghul's child would have been obvious.[/sp]

[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;36950270]Also, I just got back from my second viewing of the film, and [sp]the moment when Bruce is on that hanging edge in The Pit, and he looks up, and the bats fly out, and the camera shows the prisoners chanting, and then he finally rises out of the pit and stands tall above it will always haunt me as one of the greatest moments in cinema. moved me almost as much as when Andy crawls out of the sewer and stands in the rain in Shawshank.[/sp] [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [sp]In that respect, I'm glad I'm not a comic book junkie, because today I did some reading on the source material, and, yea, the true identity of Ra's al Ghul's child would have been obvious.[/sp][/QUOTE] Well I knew about [sp]Talia Al Ghul[/sp] but when they explained Bane's backstory I thought [sp]they just decided to take Talia off the picture entirely and replace her with Bane[/sp] but then [sp]they brought up that whole "it's actually her" thing which made the whole lie about bane unnecessary and completely confusing[/sp]. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] It really feels like the two biggest flaws about this movie are [sp]Talia[/sp] and the [sp]Bomb[/sp]. Both feel very oddly fit in in my opinion, one because [sp]it invalidates Bane's very presence through the whole movie and throws him out of the picture at the last second to replace her with Talia[/sp], the other because [sp]The whole reactor really comes the fuck out of nowhere and is explained so quickly it's hard to tell if it's merely backstory or an actual important part of the plot, up until the moment they actually use it[/sp]. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] And both are just unnecessary. The movie would have been straight out better if [sp]bane remained the actual villain through the whole movie and if the bomb simply wasn't there, as Bane is shown to be perfectly able to run the city to the ground even without the use of an atomic bomb[/sp].

Well I just got back from seeing it a second time. In my opinion Anne Hathaway stole the show. I absolutely loved Catwoman. And the [sp]Batpod is so awesome. I love when it makes a sharp turn and the way the wheels spin.[/sp]

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;36952276]One thing bothered me. Just one. [sp] Less than 10 seconds before the bomb goes off, we see that Batman is still in the batcopter/batplane/batwhatever. It wasn't just a tiny explosion either, that thing would fuck up everything within 3 miles of it when it explodes. 10 seconds isn't enough to get away from it, even if he did jump out and let the autopilot go.[/sp][/QUOTE] He's the Goddamn Batman, that's how.

Except it's a fine excuse because it really is hardly anything and you're just nitpicking to call it out the same for like basically all plotholes in the film It's a goddamn superhero movie allow the holes fuck

no what I mean is just let them get away with a couple mistakes that have no impact on the film at all unless you're being nitpicky to try and find things wrong with it So what if [sp] he was still in the Bat 10 seconds before it went off and didn't realistically have enough time to escape, literally every film I've seen that involves a timer will happily set the timer back, or seem to go in slow-mo whenever it's off-screen so they can add in drama moments, dialogue, that cheesy part where they say they love each other or whatever else they just take liberties with it to make the film more enjoyable would you rather it just randomly blew up mid conversation or something and killed everyone with no real build up or anything?? like say it was when Batman was fighting Bane they're punching each other and then suddenly theyre both dead so is gordon and blake and catwoman o well, it looked shit and had no tension and was really annoying but its cool cos its REALISTIC[/sp] no sacrificing a little bit of realism for a significant increase in entertainment value is a very good trade-off if you ask me

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;36952525]I wouldn't mind that excuse as much if it weren't for the fact that the Nolan trilogy is hellbent on being realistic 80% of the time.[/QUOTE] Well this fits in the 20%. Along with the fact that [sp]he recovers from a dislocated vertebrae by punching it back into place, and also gets his fucked up bones healed in no time and even manages to get out of the prison with a leg that still required an exoskeleton to be used properly up until this point[/sp].

yeah [sp]it seems like they added in that cripple thing for sympathy at the start because hes like become a hermit then they just totally forget about it and disregard it entirely, o look he got that thingy on it so he can walk again, it's there once but now he's recovered yay!! [/sp]

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;36952960]no what I mean is just let them get away with a couple mistakes that have no impact on the film at all unless you're being nitpicky to try and find things wrong with it So what if [sp] he was still in the Bat 10 seconds before it went off and didn't realistically have enough time to escape, literally every film I've seen that involves a timer will happily set the timer back, or seem to go in slow-mo whenever it's off-screen so they can add in drama moments, dialogue, that cheesy part where they say they love each other or whatever else they just take liberties with it to make the film more enjoyable would you rather it just randomly blew up mid conversation or something and killed everyone with no real build up or anything?? like say it was when Batman was fighting Bane they're punching each other and then suddenly theyre both dead so is gordon and blake and catwoman o well, it looked shit and had no tension and was really annoying but its cool cos its REALISTIC[/sp] no sacrificing a little bit of realism for a significant increase in entertainment value is a very good trade-off if you ask me[/QUOTE] Personally I would still have preferred to see [sp]Batman actually die in the explosion. He had a deathwish and at the least minute he somehow threw it away, would have been much stronger if he actually died there. The rest would have tied up perfectly and Blake would still have access to the batcave.[/sp] Also [sp]having him being with catwoman at the end is just bullshit in my opinion. I can see why they want Wayne to just move on but why with her ? She's supposed to be out of reach because she wants to stay free and is diametrically opposed to everything Batman fights for. Fuck, she even kills Bane in front of batman and shows that she has no respect for his no killing rule. And was it just me or was it hinted at that Catwoman's pretty much a lesbian in the nolanverse ? What happens to that other woman she spends time with and even closely hugs at some point ?[/sp] [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;36953120]yeah [sp]it seems like they added in that cripple thing for sympathy at the start because hes like become a hermit then they just totally forget about it and disregard it entirely, o look he got that thingy on it so he can walk again, it's there once but now he's recovered yay!! [/sp][/QUOTE] The whole [sp]crippled[/sp] thing didn't make sense. [sp]I'm sorry but people have stayed sedentary for more than 8 years and Batman has been active for, what, 3 to 4 years at very most before that. You don't get fucked up bones THAT quickly after THAT few years of physical exercise, so the whole cripple thing was really out of place. I could have seen him use a cane in public just so he gets an excuse for not being out too much and have it as a backup weapon but the movie went way too far with this[/sp].

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36953155] The whole [sp]crippled[/sp] thing didn't make sense. [sp]I'm sorry but people have stayed sedentary for more than 8 years and Batman has been active for, what, 3 to 4 years at very most before that. You don't get fucked up bones THAT quickly after THAT few years of physical exercise, so the whole cripple thing was really out of place. I could have seen him use a cane in public just so he gets an excuse for not being out too much and have it as a backup weapon but the movie went way too far with this[/sp].[/QUOTE] I could imagine falling 3 stories would permanently fuck up a leg.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;36953251]I could imagine falling 3 stories would permanently fuck up a leg.[/QUOTE] Then explain [sp]how he got back up and healed it with a piece of metal that he kept for like 2 days in the movie.[/sp] You can't claim realism as an argument if it only explains half of the problem. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] And after a bit of thought I'm not really sure what Bane's mask actually does in the movie. [sp]Did he just get his jaw and nose wrecked and has to wear the mask to keep it in place ? Is the mask injecting painkillers ? If so where does it come from ? Is it just a breathing aid ? Is venom implicated in the mask in any possible way ?[/sp] I was a bit disappointed by the explanations behind the mask. In the dark knight, the joker explains several time how he got the scars, and none of his stories are fully believable (as he gives several, so it's unsure which one is true even given one of them is actually real), there is a lot of mystery behind it and it's up to you to understand it. Here he just has the mask, we know who built it and at what occasion he got to put it on, but that's about it : there is no further explanation, no people's theories, bane never says anything about it apart from that one line at the beginning of the movie.

I see where you're coming from in your first point and I kind of agree but at the same time, [sp] technically, Batman DID still die, even though Bruce lived, and that gave the city a hero again. He was a martyr. It's basically the big theme throughout the entire trilogy- Batman is not a man, Batman is a symbol and a beacon of hope for the people of Gotham. Bruce gave them that with the ending. But also, by being a symbol, he's more than a man, and can return in the shape of Blake.[/sp] Honestly something I think about the ending that may explain some stuff, [sp]I think Nolan wanted Bruce Wayne to die in the explosion. I bet he wanted Batman to die from the start. (not necessarily the start of the trilogy, but since the creation of the film. Or at the very least, strongly considered it) because as everyone's stated, the end is where it all kind of falls apart in terms of plot holes and such. because either he changed his mind or was made to change it by Warner Bros or something cos they were like "shit man you can't fucking kill Batman!" (although The Death Of Superman=one of the highest selling comics of all time) It's not like fans would complain if he died. It was expected if anything, even before any news of Rises was announced. [/sp] Also [sp]Catwoman possible being lesbian isn't anything to complain about in terms of using it in Nolan's film because it's hinted a lot in the comics. Her and Poison Ivy man, defo some tension there[/sp]

Well I can see why they went with this with Wayne and all but [sp]it just seems so happy-ending-ish considering how gritty, gruesome and cruel the series had been up to this point. Bruce did not want to leave batman behind and he could not find a way to be a hero without wearing the mask, then he manages to actually get over it and live on, but he does it without any sort of repercussion. I would have expected him to get his back broken at the very end of the movie, as it would have forced him out of Batman and would have been the one step he needed to actually live a real life, rather than simply be on stand-by whenever he was not being Batman. Plus, there isn't much for Wayne to live as now that he's broke and officially dead. I don't even recall them explaining how Wayne disappeared for about 6 months then was found dead somehow, which was strangely in sync with Batman's disappearance, reappearance and death.[/sp] As for [sp]Catwoman being a lesbian what I meant is that she's apparently with that other chick but then that woman disappears and we never heard of her again and Catwoman gets with Wayne. What the hell ? Where did she go ? They seemed pretty close to each other, I wanted to see what happened to her.[/sp]