The Dark Knight Rises - By Christopher Nolan. ->Use spoiler tags<- - General

[QUOTE=postal;36973689]What you saw in theaters is the director's cut, and I guess Nolan doesn't leave much out when filming since his home releases don't seem to ever include any deleted scenes beyond that alternate camera angle hosptial explosions scene from the dark knight dvd, and you could only see that on another random bonus feature iirc.[/QUOTE] I think you're right, but I feel like something was missing. [sp]While first act was really expanded, I felt like second and third were kinda rushed. Like someone deleted less important scenes. For example: scene about how exactly Bruce came back to Gotham as we saw wasn't that necessary, but it would be very climatic, and would stop all those speculations how he made it. The same goes with Talia al Ghul - there was too less of her. It's not like that I liked her (I didn't like Cotillard in here at all), but after reveal she dies about 15 minutes later. She didn't even feel like a villain at all (Kill them all, really? It's that bad?), and her death was even worse than Bane's (which in some point was kinda ironic).[/sp]

Just got back from the cinema, really enjoyed it. Although it had a bigger amount of cheesy one liners compared to the two previous ones. Oh, and I was expecting to see more of the massive [sp]cops vs thugs battle. Everyone clashed and then it cut away. Rather anti-climatic. Didn't like Bane's death either.[/sp]

Damn it, am I still in the minority for Nicholson?

[QUOTE=Killuah;36940553]Ok I'm at a PC again. First off: It is a good movie. It is done really well, it has great acting. What irked me was the writing. My main critique points: 1. It takes too much time for everything 2. It is written for idiots. 3. Lot of "Why? Wtf why and how?" Let me explain the second first: All characters made REALLY SURE the viewers understood. There are several little lines and scenes in the movie that are REALLY unnecessary and cheezy. 2 that easily spring to mind would be [sp]when that investment guy, who paid Bane, is about to be killed by him has the last words something along "You truly are evil" or something like that. Me and a lot of people just facepalmed for how lazy and offensively obvious it was. And the one even DUMBER when Catwoman approaches him a while before and he is all like "Yea? Yout want the program? The supersecret program that erases everything and that everyone could use to get off to a new start? The secret program you really need?" Oh gee thanks writers, I didn't understand what she wanted when she was talking to Wayne a few minutes before! [/sp] So yeah, stuff like that where movie characters feel the need to expalin themselves or use common movie tropes really break the immersion of "watching something". [sp]Another one is when Talia goes into that truck for whatever reason just to die there and spends the time explaining why she did it after the truck crashes. You could argue she was doing it to gain time(why, she just told us the reactor is flooded....) bu then again you see Bats, Cats and Gordon neatly lined up near her door and listening to her which frankly, is a really stupid scene, the clock is at 2 minutes something.[/sp] [sp] Also what is all this "The people need to retake their city" stuff from Bane about[/sp] The first point: The really important part starts in the second third. The plane heist scene in the beginning is absolutely unnecessay. The only info it provided us with was [sp]Yea well there is this Doctor Pavel and people think he is dead[/sp] It doesn't even do any thing good for characterizing Bane because all we know after this 10 minute scene is "Yea, he kills people and has a mask" and who the fuck didn't see the [sp]WOW HE IS UNDER THE MASK CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"[/sp] coming from miles away. [B]It has no dramatic peak.[/B] The movie spends so much time in the plot and why and how and then it needs to introduce[sp]Robin[/sp] so can anyone tell me what the dramatic peak point is? When [sp]he is thrown into prison?[/sp] He spends like 10 scenes getting out and everyone knew he would need to do it to get the movie going and the film did spend countless scenes to explain that [sp]only one could do it and of course Baleman would do it[/sp] When [sp]The bomb is set?[/sp] Sure not climatic, we are not told[sp] That it can't be defused[/sp] until the very end. And there still is [sp]5 months of time and at least an hour of movie[/sp] when it happens. Jee I'm on the edge of my seat! They even change the damn [sp] timer from that circle thing with green and red we see first to a digital thousand-times-seen-in-movies-o-matic clock display[/sp] I could go on but the point is: They cramed so much stuff in it that neither can really shine. The Dark Knight rises either not at all [sp] Oh hey I don't want to be the Batman anymore he filled its purpose. Alfred: Yes please don't. Baleman: Ok guess I'll do it fuck you Alfred the people need me[/sp] or TWICE [sp]After the 8 years and out of prison[/sp] And my last and main point: [B][U]The lazy and dumbass scenes noone needed or can explain and here is a list[/U][/B] (in no particular order) - [sp]Motorbikes coming out of the stock trading market when we just saw that Banes guys were disguised to sneak in ok cool I guess crashing out with motorbikes was a plan and hiding 5 bikes in the stocktrading market was the plan all along but then again why disguise when you are just gonna beat the security dudes up?[/sp] - [sp]Talia knows the bomb can't be defused even after her signal was blocked since she can flood the reactor room (Oh hey I better leave you alive with Bane after he didn't manage to kill you the first time and just threw you into that prison) and for whatever reason GETS INTO THE BOMB TRUCK WHY? WHAT DID SHE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THERE?[/sp] -[sp] Gordon I need you to set this jammer BEFORE SUNRISE - Gordon sets the jammer in broad daylight and just after the big stupid fight scene, and yes I mean the DECOY, he was simply TOO LATE[/sp] - [sp] The big stupid fight scene. Two parts: Before Baleman encounters Bane every police guy somehow runs into the wall of baddies ARMED WITH MPS N SHIT while only swinging pistols and sticks like they are some damn Orcs from LotRs I mean why the hell run into them like that? Then for the first half of the running despite like 200 guns being present maybe 5 guys get shot and the rest just gets into a big brawl, what? Batman comes out, somehow all baddies are dead or in a GUNFIGHT WITH THE POLICE DUDES. [/sp] - [sp] "THE BAT" somehow can't destroy one of them tanks when shooting at it 3 times from behind, yet the batbike can with one shot but at the same time the tank shooting at THE BAT(oh please) 2 or 3 times from 5 m distance does nothing[/sp] - [sp]"Bats I need your rocket jammer to build a jammer" OH MAN I SURE HOPE BATMAN DOESN'T ENCOUNTER ROCKETS![/sp] - [sp] I can't get over Rachel oh hey come sleep with me ah the power is gone[/sp] - [sp] Here "Robin" take that grenade, count to 5 and throw it at the wall. It doesn nothing. Batman shoots the wall with his glider anyway. Why again did you give the police guy an armed handgrenade again?[/sp] And on and on and on. After all, it just felt a bit helpless. The writers knew the receipt that made the first movies great. And then they couldn't use the joker anymore. In fact, this movie didn't need the second one at all. Basically they [sp]tell us in the first 20 minutes and the last when Bane reads Gordons letter,that the whole "sacrifice yourself for the city" deal was all wrong and an evil thing to do because it bases doing something good on a lie and that is bound to come back at Gordon and Bats[/sp] So the writers have to spend a big part of the last movie in a trilogy to introduce 2 completely new characters, no make that three, 2 bad and 1 good into a movie that was supposed to bring an end to it. It's as if the third LotR mivie told us that Frodo was all wrong by trying to throw the Ring into the volcano because that is gonna solve nothing and there is a far greater evil behind Sauron. It is watchable, it is well done, although a few noticable cutting mistakes are in(2 I saw myself are [sp]in the stock trading market and when Batman encounters Catwoman on that roof where she fights Banes gunguys and Bats is all "now weapons". There in the middle of a punch at Bane you can see a cut in the very punch scene where it looks like they redid the scene and used a quick one to hide that[/sp]) It has some great action scenes(stadium) and awesome pictures to look at. But in the end it just couldn't meet the perfection I expected after seeing the 2nd one, it took a lazy (and thousand times seen in movies) ending to the trilogy and was all around just not "in the flow" [sp] they should have ended at the funeral, besides seeing his death coming from miles away "oh geez no autopilot I wonder what THAT'S going to lead to!"[/sp] There was really nothing new to it. Sorry.[/QUOTE] this post sums it up well. 8/10 would read again

I loved Tom Hardy as Bane, and his voice was awesome

[QUOTE=General;36979811]I loved Tom Hardy as Bane, and his voice was awesome[/QUOTE] Awesome? Yes hard to understand? Yes Usually i don't need subtitles for English movies, but when bane was speaking i was looking more to the subtitles than the actual movie.

I had no problems understanding what he said. Everything was crystal clear.

[QUOTE=Carne;36980235]I had no problems understanding what he said. Everything was crystal clear.[/QUOTE] This, and I'm usually the kind of guy who doesn't understand english that well if there is some noise over it.

I think, because of how they mixed his voice, he was a lot more understandable than he could have been. There were some times I wondered what he had said mind.

I think it was pointed out in the Red Letter Media review, but it was like no matter where Bane was in the scene, his voice was always the most prominent. It was never distorted (beyond what it was by itself) and it was always louder than pretty much anything else in the scene.

[QUOTE=The DooD;36981090]I think it was pointed out in the Red Letter Media review, but it was like no matter where Bane was in the scene, his voice was always the most prominent. It was never distorted (beyond what it was by itself) and it was always louder than pretty much anything else in the scene.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's like they just put it in on top of the actual mix

I went to see the film last night and I was pretty impressed, maybe not better than The Dark Knight but it was fun to watch.

Just came back from seeing this. [sp]Batman should've died at the end imo. Plus the whole 'oh Blake is actually Robin' reveal was dumb[/sp]

[sp]Batman did die, Bruce Wayne did not.[/sp]

[QUOTE=healthpoint;36981366]Just came back from seeing this. [sp]Batman should've died at the end imo. Plus the whole 'oh Blake is actually Robin' reveal was dumb[/sp][/QUOTE] I liked the ending. [sp]Batman IS dead, and Wayne is pretty much a ghost now. It ended Batman's story but didn't put an end to the symbol Bruce has tried to create through the movies. Even early in the movie I directly noticed Blake was gonna be Batman's replacement, it's so obvious when they start talking about mask, how Blake learns about lying, how justice works, when he acts too brutal and kills that guy, etc.[/sp] [editline]29th July 2012[/editline] Quite honestly I'd love to see an entire movie about Blake [sp]and his beginnings as nightwing[/sp], he really was an interesting character in my opinion. Hell, the movie had more screentime of Gordon and Blake than of Batman.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36981458]I liked the ending. [sp]Batman IS dead, and Wayne is pretty much a ghost now. It ended Batman's story but didn't put an end to the symbol Bruce has tried to create through the movies. Even early in the movie I directly noticed Blake was gonna be Batman's replacement, it's so obvious when they start talking about mask, how Blake learns about lying, how justice works, when he acts too brutal and kills that guy, etc.[/sp] [/QUOTE] [sp]Which is why it was a dumb 'reveal' imo. Didn't add anything[/sp]

[QUOTE=healthpoint;36981649][sp]Which is why it was a dumb 'reveal' imo. Didn't add anything[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]How so ? It completes the equation.[/sp]

[sp] Bane's death was insanely anti-climatic, and felt way too rushed. Though all in all the movie was great[/sp]

I just watched this and it was amazing Am I the only one bothered by the fact that [sp]Batman killed people in the end of the movie? The Thalia's truck drivers dies when he gets shot from The Bat and Thalia dies later from the crash[/sp]

[QUOTE=superstepa;36983037]I just watched this and it was amazing Am I the only one bothered by the fact that [sp]Batman killed people in the end of the movie? The Thalia's truck drivers dies when he gets shot from The Bat and Thalia dies later from the crash[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They died from the crash so technically it was their own doing.[/sp] [QUOTE=booster;36982770][sp] Bane's death was insanely anti-climatic, and felt way too rushed. Though all in all the movie was great[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That said Batman had pretty much defeated him anyway prior.[/sp]

[QUOTE=superstepa;36983037]I just watched this and it was amazing Am I the only one bothered by the fact that [sp]Batman killed people in the end of the movie? The Thalia's truck drivers dies when he gets shot from The Bat and Thalia dies later from the crash[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Batman doesn't kill people, the situation kills people. A stretch? Maybe, but he's the goddamn Batman.[/sp]

i still feel like this could have been 5 hours long and i would still say it felt too short

I'll say it again: If it had another hour on it, I'd have liked it more. [sp]More room for a real Bane-beating scene, more room to explain the general plotholes people complain about, etc.[/sp]

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36978954] The last one just didn't work for me, completely sloppy in almost every aspect (writing, acting, production). Bane was the only thing I enjoyed.[/QUOTE] I just saw it today and the whole thing just seemed like some pumped out generic superhero movie. Its really disappointing seeing the series go out like this, though I imagine most here disagree with me. I might go see it again with my girlfriend and see if watching it again gives me a better perspective on it.

Christopher Nolan didn't need to cast ever goddamn Inception character in the Batman movies. I fucking hate when directors do that (Tim Burton)

[QUOTE=Lemonator;36984068]Christopher Nolan didn't need to cast ever goddamn Inception character in the Batman movies. I fucking hate when directors do that (Tim Burton)[/QUOTE] can't believe you didn't pick up on the fact that the entire dark knight trilogy is actually a shared dream from inception and that nolan's next film will tie them together with the prestige LMAO check out my fan fiction seriously though to those complaining about [sp]bane's death being an anti-climax and talia replacing him; i think that was the whole point. to make the film more about completing what was started in batman begins. it kind of starts off solely as a sequel to the dark knight, what with harvey dent day and all, but ends up pulling together all the knots that were frayed in the first film by ending the al Ghul legacy. also, i love gordon's "plunge their hands into the filth" speech. well acted by oldman as always.[/sp]

[QUOTE=superstepa;36983037]I just watched this and it was amazing Am I the only one bothered by the fact that [sp]Batman killed people in the end of the movie? The Thalia's truck drivers dies when he gets shot from The Bat and Thalia dies later from the crash[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Actually, the truck Talia got into was remotely driven[/sp]

[QUOTE=Pops;36984273][sp]Actually, the truck Talia got into was remotely driven[/sp][/QUOTE] No it wasn't .

This movie was great, but trying to hold it to the same standards of the original just crushes it to dust. The Joker was a far more effective villain by far, despite doing a lot "less" in his plots. Bane just wasn't as interesting. I liked his backstory a lot, but the fact that they even explained his origins made him not even close to Joker, who was a mystery. With Bane, especially at the end, you still know why he is doing the things he does, but the Joker was unpredictable, which made him great. All in all though, I shouldn't even compare the two. Both were very, very good. [sp] That being said, the uber-serious and realistic approach they take isn't my favorite. I prefer the games, Arkham Asylum and Arkham City. They were dark and serious but still kept most of the original additions from the comics.[/sp]

God as my witness, I WILL own one of these: [IMG]http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/BanthaFodder95/CourtofOwls.jpg[/IMG] God dammit I wish I could have gone to SDCC...