The Dark Knight Rises - By Christopher Nolan. ->Use spoiler tags<- - General

the arkham games were about as serious as you can make the riddley, and that still wouldn't be that interesting in a movie

[QUOTE=Rusty100;37035634]the arkham games were about as serious as you can make the riddley, and that still wouldn't be that interesting in a movie[/QUOTE] Batman flying around taking pictures of random things and picking up glowing question marks... would be an amazing movie... :v:

[QUOTE=Rusty100;37035634]the arkham games were about as serious as you can make the riddley, and that still wouldn't be that interesting in a movie[/QUOTE] With a grand enough scheme, he could make a great movie villain [sp]if he operated in secret, like Talia, but maybe with less Batman sex. I'm not ruling anything out though.[/sp]

I figured maybe you could just have him snap. Like, he still does the "kidnap hostages, you must solve riddles to save them" thing, but the riddles make no sense. Batman has trounced him so many times, he just loses it and starts spewing nonsense. The hostages die, Nigma dies, and Batman is left to think of what he could have done to prevent this. I dunno, just a fun little idea I've been sitting on for a while, thought it might throw people for a loop.

This shit's pretty awesome yo [t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xkFlNPRONz4/UBhS5gyMZZI/AAAAAAAAA4M/Iun1CKzE9Gg/s1600/lightitup.jpg[/t]

Also i've watched the movie twice now... what is with the noise when Bane [sp]breaks batman[/sp] well a few minutes before that where he does the spin punch... he sounds like a transformer or something.

I kind of like the idea of him being a legitimate schizophrenic or something, like one side of him knows he's doing wrong but the other continues, he leaves clues and hints because although he wants to progress in the world of crime he knows he shouldn't and subconciously makes it so he can be tracked and caught He already has that compulsion where he cannot commit a crime without leaving a riddle or clue, and while you could play off that to create a good grounded character I think this is pretty cool. I'm thinking an almost noir theme... "You don't understand. .. I really didn't want to leave you any clues. I really planned never to go back to Arkham Asylum. But I left you a clue anyway. So I... I have to go back there. Because I might need help. I... I might actually be crazy." - main thing that created the idea. You can still have him eccentric but haunted at the same time. Dunno think it would be cool

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;37035086]it was originally going to be about the Riddler, but it was changed because the Riddler felt too similar to The Joker. And I think using Bane was a great move since it gives him another dimension of challenge to fight against (a physical one)[/QUOTE] That annoyed me a little bit. Bane was supposed to be way stronger than Batman and a much bigger physical threat but [sp]the final showdown between the two of them was just a straight up fist fight. I thought they would have had Batman do something less direct to take him down.[/sp]

I was expecting the [sp]City Hall fight to be really awesome, but I was very disappointed. It was just another generic Hollywood fist fight between the bad guy and good guy. In my opinion most of the fights in this movies was nothing "Wow!" worthy. Just heavily choreographed, and it was easy to see as it wasn't very natural looking.[/sp]

Before the whole thing was detailed I thought the movie was going to be right after The Dark Knight, and was gonna be much more violent. I've always liked the idea of an almost cruel batman that is still a violent fuck despite his moral code, which is why the scenes I enjoyed the most in The Dark Knight was when he breaks that mafia guy's legs and later beats the fuck out of the Joker in that interrogation room.

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;37036673]I kind of like the idea of him being a legitimate schizophrenic or something, like one side of him knows he's doing wrong but the other continues, he leaves clues and hints because although he wants to progress in the world of crime he knows he shouldn't and subconciously makes it so he can be tracked and caught He already has that compulsion where he cannot commit a crime without leaving a riddle or clue, and while you could play off that to create a good grounded character I think this is pretty cool. I'm thinking an almost noir theme... "You don't understand. .. I really didn't want to leave you any clues. I really planned never to go back to Arkham Asylum. But I left you a clue anyway. So I... I have to go back there. Because I might need help. I... I might actually be crazy." - main thing that created the idea. You can still have him eccentric but haunted at the same time. Dunno think it would be cool[/QUOTE] Not a bad idea, but if there's one thing I've gathered from the Arkham Games and the Animated series, it's that I like it when the Riddler is just an egotistical asshole. V:v:V

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37037178]Before the whole thing was detailed I thought the movie was going to be right after The Dark Knight, and was gonna be much more violent. I've always liked the idea of an almost cruel batman that is still a violent fuck despite his moral code, which is why the scenes I enjoyed the most in The Dark Knight was when he breaks that mafia guy's legs and later beats the fuck out of the Joker in that interrogation room.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I loved Batman in TDK much more than in Rises, he felt a bit too flat in this one. In TDK he's absolutely pushed to the edge and almost over, having a constant inner struggle about what's right and wrong, whether or not it's worth keeping his moral code if it just means it's going to lead to more danger, and if it's really worth it. I hoped Rises would expand on that, but it didn't at all. It just made Batman a superhero instead of an almost broken man not really sure what to do. That's why I prefer The Joker over Bane so much more. While Nolan wanted a character that was both mentally and physically a challenge, it was more of a compromise rather than an improvement in both grounds. He just met in the middle instead of having either one truly be prominent. I mean Bane kicked ass but he still was just a big villian. The Joker was sadistic and twisted, no one knew what he was going to do next, how he would do it or why, if he even had much of a why. I really liked Rises but I just cannot like it as much as TDK, it simply doesn't meet the same standard. Nolan dumbed it down.

Oh, one more thing. [sp]After the nuke went off over the bay, the city was still trashed and all of the Blackgate prisoners were still loose. Why did Bruce think that was a good time to take a holiday with his new lady friend?[/sp]

[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;37037460]Was anyone else metaphorically screaming that Batman [sp]should have used those arm bat-darts on Bane earlier in the movie?[/sp] He had tons of chances to.[/QUOTE] [i]It's a shame that those missles Iron Man used on the tank were so expensive he could only afford one, otherwise the final fight would take about 2 seconds.[/i]

[QUOTE=squids_eye;37037325]Oh, one more thing. [sp]After the nuke went off over the bay, the city was still trashed and all of the Blackgate prisoners were still loose. Why did Bruce think that was a good time to take a holiday with his new lady friend?[/sp][/QUOTE] because [sp]the military can handle that. they don't need batman for that.[/sp]

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37037792]because [sp]the military can handle that. they don't need batman for that.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Then why couldn't they handle the criminals in the other two films? He became Batman to fight crime so he stops just after all the criminals get loose? It doesn't make sense.[/sp]

[QUOTE=squids_eye;37037897][sp]Then why couldn't they handle the criminals in the other two films? He became Batman to fight crime so he stops just after all the criminals get loose? It doesn't make sense.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]cops were corrupt in the first films / they tried. cops handle those guys not the military[/sp]

[QUOTE=squids_eye;37037897][sp]Then why couldn't they handle the criminals in the other two films? He became Batman to fight crime so he stops just after all the criminals get loose? It doesn't make sense.[/sp][/QUOTE] The guys from Blackgate are likely just street level criminals so he prolly woulda just let [sp]Robin[/sp] clean up whatever the cops couldn't round up. Sort of an impromptu on the job training.

"We still haven't picked up Bane or half the inmates of Blackgate that he freed." "We will. We can bring Gotham back."

[QUOTE=Mr._N;37041366]"We still haven't picked up Bane or half the inmates of Blackgate that he freed." "We will. We can bring Gotham back."[/QUOTE] or you know [sp]they go to where the fucking battle was and find bane's corpse[/sp]

Saw this on 4Chan and thought you guys would like to dissect it and argue the points. Pastebin link to save page stretching and easier reading. [url]http://pastebin.com/bHU8jUEg[/url]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZsVwSyAM=1[/media] Fucking dick reporter. [editline]2nd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wingboy;37042737]Saw this on 4Chan and thought you guys would like to dissect it and argue the points. Spoilered it in-case I get shouted at. [/sp][/QUOTE] Exaggerations and nit-picking by someone who clearly looks for reasons to dislike this film.

Looking back, I think my biggest problem with this movie (besides the plot inconsistencies and bad pacing) is its shallowness. The other two movies had deep, underlying themes, but this one just felt a bit empty in that aspect. Batman Begins was about fear and corruption. The Dark Knight was about chaos and the inner goodness/cruelty of human beings. The Dark Knight Rises was about rich people vs. poor people and whether or not Batman could beat up Bane. It felt almost cartoony compared to its more grounded predecessors.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;37042882]Looking back, I think my biggest problem with this movie (besides the plot inconsistencies and bad pacing) is its shallowness. The other two movies had deep, underlying themes, but this one just felt a bit empty in that aspect. Batman Begins was about fear and corruption. The Dark Knight was about chaos and the inner goodness/cruelty of human beings. The Dark Knight Rises was about rich people vs. poor people and whether or not Batman could beat up Bane. It felt almost cartoony compared to its more grounded predecessors.[/QUOTE] The theme was pain. I don't understand how you missed that underlying theme. How long will you let pain control your life? How long can Bruce be Batman? How long can Gotham endure Bane's reign. It's about suffering and enduring. Sure Alfred said that in The Dark Knight, but that was morally. This is about how long Bruce can actually physically be Batman and making sure Gotham has a savior. [sp]Also how Talia suffered the pain of losing her father, but endured enough to get literally right next to Bruce to use her "slow knife".[/sp]

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;37042882]Looking back, I think my biggest problem with this movie (besides the plot inconsistencies and bad pacing) is its shallowness. The other two movies had deep, underlying themes, but this one just felt a bit empty in that aspect. Batman Begins was about fear and corruption. The Dark Knight was about chaos and the inner goodness/cruelty of human beings. The Dark Knight Rises was about rich people vs. poor people and whether or not Batman could beat up Bane. It felt almost cartoony compared to its more grounded predecessors.[/QUOTE] Falling and picking yourself up again. Which is present in the previous two movies, but even more so in this one.

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;37037311]Yeah, I loved Batman in TDK much more than in Rises, he felt a bit too flat in this one. In TDK he's absolutely pushed to the edge and almost over, having a constant inner struggle about what's right and wrong, whether or not it's worth keeping his moral code if it just means it's going to lead to more danger, and if it's really worth it. I hoped Rises would expand on that, but it didn't at all. It just made Batman a superhero instead of an almost broken man not really sure what to do. That's why I prefer The Joker over Bane so much more. While Nolan wanted a character that was both mentally and physically a challenge, it was more of a compromise rather than an improvement in both grounds. He just met in the middle instead of having either one truly be prominent. I mean Bane kicked ass but he still was just a big villian. The Joker was sadistic and twisted, no one knew what he was going to do next, how he would do it or why, if he even had much of a why. I really liked Rises but I just cannot like it as much as TDK, it simply doesn't meet the same standard. Nolan dumbed it down.[/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more. I would have really preferred to see TDKR being right after TDK. The whole "rises" thing really made me thought it was going to be right after the second movie, and we would see wayne drag on with the batman, while the whole icon has fallen, learning to cope with the idea that people have rejected the message he wanted to send through. I also think the reason Batman seems so generic and dumbed down in Rises is because the whole concept of a faceless icon has gone straight to the shitter. They never really do anything with it in that movie while it was kind of a major plot point in the others (how the icon was a double edged sword that both make people braver but also others crazier, how to actually craft such an icon, what it implies, etc), which makes Batman nothing more than a lawless vigilante that lacks a goal and just punches criminals in the face - the exact thing Wayne openly despises in Batman Begins, his entire motivation being to create something more than just a costume. [editline]2nd August 2012[/editline] And for a movie that let go of so much complexity in the character, it's weird to see that it decided to go with depth in a lot of other areas. Personally I would not have minded more action, as The Dark Knight managed to both go with complex ideas and give very entertaining fighting through the majority of the movie.

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[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;37042882]Looking back, I think my biggest problem with this movie (besides the plot inconsistencies and bad pacing) is its shallowness. The other two movies had deep, underlying themes, but this one just felt a bit empty in that aspect. Batman Begins was about fear and corruption. The Dark Knight was about chaos and the inner goodness/cruelty of human beings. The Dark Knight Rises was about rich people vs. poor people and whether or not Batman could beat up Bane. It felt almost cartoony compared to its more grounded predecessors.[/QUOTE] I can agree that the past couple movies definitely intrigued me more than this adaption.

[QUOTE=Dr Bob;37042753][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZsVwSyAM=1[/media] Fucking dick reporter. [editline]2nd August 2012[/editline] Exaggerations and nit-picking by someone who clearly looks for reasons to dislike this film.[/QUOTE] Couldn't hear properly, what did he said?

[QUOTE=shian;37044428]Couldn't hear properly, what did he said?[/QUOTE] The reporter called him a Skype father, implying that he never sees his kids and raises them through Skype. Dick.