Does Schizophrenia/Schizo Personality Disorder have to be a bad thing? - General

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;32605007]Mental disorders are a bad thing. I don't think you have control on how you swap personalities with schizophrenia.[/QUOTE] Schizophrenics don't have other personalities, it's just what people wrongly make it out to be They are also more of a threat to themselves than to other people

Anyone here have a close relationship with a person diagnosed with schizophrenia ? I.e. mother, brother etc ? Id just like to hear your opinion of the "disease" ?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32612755]Doesn't pretty much everyone do that?[/QUOTE] Some people do it less than others and some people have a goal of remaining the same in general regardless of who they are with. It's hard to generalize such a behavior, but it is more to say that all of the people have roughly the same idea of your personality. The question is if it would be better to have a more consistent personality or a less consistent one that depends more on the group you are with. It is personal choice so I could care less how other people act. I personally prefer consistency because I become far more predictable and easier to analyze. It may seem like an odd statement to make, but the best way to further yourself is to know yourself, and that process is far more difficult when you have 20 selves going on. I'm simplifying my view a decent bit, but I reject the notion that self discovery is finding the you that already exists and that isn't the form of knowing yourself I'm talking about here. I may expand upon it here.

I have Schizophrenia. I posted about it awhile back in the creepy thread because of what I saw one day. What the OP is talking about isn't Schizophrenia.

[QUOTE=Pepin;32613281]Some people do it less than others and some people have a goal of remaining the same in general regardless of who they are with. It's hard to generalize such a behavior, but it is more to say that all of the people have roughly the same idea of your personality. The question is if it would be better to have a more consistent personality or a less consistent one that depends more on the group you are with. It is personal choice so I could care less how other people act. I personally prefer consistency because I become far more predictable and easier to analyze. It may seem like an odd statement to make, but the best way to further yourself is to know yourself, and that process is far more difficult when you have 20 selves going on. I'm simplifying my view a decent bit, but I reject the notion that self discovery is finding the you that already exists and that isn't the form of knowing yourself I'm talking about here. I may expand upon it here.[/QUOTE] I would say a more consistent personality would be better.

that's not schizophrenia though that's bi-polar that's the thing i have i don't hallucinate i just act mental

OP you need to research the subject more before you decide to post a debate about it. Schizophrenia is not a Personality Disorder, Schizophrenia is listed as a Psychotic disorder in the DSM - IV(the bible of Psychiatry). I believe what you're referring to is Dissociative Identity Disorder which is also listed in the DSM - IV as Dissociative Disorder. Also if you're actually referring to the only two Personality Disorders with the word "Schizo" in their name again, your research is off. People with these personality disorders such as Schizoid and Schizotypal can be described as "People who go down to the river to be by themselves (those who go dressed as Magicians are Schizotypal though). People with these disorders just don't like being around others at all. Schizophrenia though is a very unhealthy disorder (I try to avoid the word Bad). People with this disorder have an impairment in the Frontal Lobe of their brain causing this disorder. Delusions (Bizarre and Non-Bizarre) are very unhealthy and hinder an individuals ability to function socially with "Normal" people. The hallucinations these people experience are also very unhealthy, with most of the hallucinations being auditory although they can be gustatory, olfactory, and visual. Imagine having voices in your head constantly telling you "You're the worst person on Earth, You suck, Noone likes you, Noone loves you, Your wife is cheating on you, You're a terrible person, Why are you breathing, Kill yourself and do the world a favor, End your life right now". These delusions and hallucinations cause a major impairment in an individuals ability to function. If you throw in Disorganized Speech, Catatonic Behavior (moving like a robot or not at all) and intense Paranoia into that mix you can't tell me that Schizophrenia is normal or healthy at all for any individual.

We have discussed that in psychology lately, you can tell for the persons who are aware of the schizophrenia its definalty a pretty bad thing, how would you feel if you know that your brain is doing shit and you can't do anything about it other than hoping that it declines and you never get a second wave that might be persistant?

[QUOTE=Wizard of Ass;32613885]We have discussed that in psychology lately, you can tell for the persons who are aware of the schizophrenia its definalty a pretty bad thing, how would you feel if you know that your brain is doing shit and you can't do anything about it other than hoping that it declines and you never get a second wave that might be persistant?[/QUOTE] Exactly, the worst thing is when people know that they have the Disorder. The scariest part of it is that it's not something you can just fix through therapy. It's an actual impairment in your brain that's causing the disorder.

A disorder is defined by it interfering with your life in some way. A mental disorder or personality disorder is always bad because it is inherently obtrusive to living a happy life. If it's not obtrusive then it's not a disorder, it's a quirk.

Most people are like this anyways?

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;32613775]OP you need to research the subject more before you decide to post a debate about it. Schizophrenia is not a Personality Disorder, Schizophrenia is listed as a Psychotic disorder in the DSM - IV(the bible of Psychiatry). I believe what you're referring to is Dissociative Identity Disorder which is also listed in the DSM - IV as Dissociative Disorder. Also if you're actually referring to the only two Personality Disorders with the word "Schizo" in their name again, your research is off. People with these personality disorders such as Schizoid and Schizotypal can be described as "People who go down to the river to be by themselves (those who go dressed as Magicians are Schizotypal though). People with these disorders just don't like being around others at all. Schizophrenia though is a very unhealthy disorder (I try to avoid the word Bad). People with this disorder have an impairment in the Frontal Lobe of their brain causing this disorder. Delusions (Bizarre and Non-Bizarre) are very unhealthy and hinder an individuals ability to function socially with "Normal" people. The hallucinations these people experience are also very unhealthy, with most of the hallucinations being auditory although they can be gustatory, olfactory, and visual. Imagine having voices in your head constantly telling you "You're the worst person on Earth, You suck, Noone likes you, Noone loves you, Your wife is cheating on you, You're a terrible person, Why are you breathing, Kill yourself and do the world a favor, End your life right now". These delusions and hallucinations cause a major impairment in an individuals ability to function. If you throw in Disorganized Speech, Catatonic Behavior (moving like a robot or not at all) and intense Paranoia into that mix you can't tell me that Schizophrenia is normal or healthy at all for any individual.[/QUOTE] Before you go any further (you already have) I mistook the mental disorder for personality. Sorry about that.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32619840]Before you go any further (you already have) I mistook the mental disorder for personality. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE] 1. Fix the OP. 2. PM a mod.

I have a friend that's taking a doctorate in medicine, and he worked as an intern at a mental hospital. Some of the schizo people there had to be medicated 24/7, or else they would lock up and go crazy. One woman had to talk to her guardian angel, before letting anyone speak to her. Another had these black figures crawling over the room, which he constantly warned about when speaking to him. So, no, schizophrenia and personality disorders aren't a good thing. You have actors like Klaus Kinski though, who was brilliant and crazy at the same time. It was believed he had multiple personalities.

[QUOTE=Thaard;32620145]I have a friend that's taking a doctorate in medicine, and he worked as an intern at a mental hospital. Some of the schizo people there had to be medicated 24/7, or else they would lock up and go crazy. One woman had to talk to her guardian angel, before letting anyone speak to her. Another had these black figures crawling over the room, which he constantly warned about when speaking to him. So, no, schizophrenia and personality disorders aren't a good thing. You have actors like Klaus Kinski though, who was brilliant and crazy at the same time. It was believed he had multiple personalities.[/QUOTE] Multiple Personalities aren't the same thing as having delusions of other people/beings. I regret making this thread.

I get what you mean, is it a good thing to change who you are around different people. For your tree of personality analogy, to have multiple parallel trunks. As someone who is about as two faced as you can get, I wouldn't say it's a bad thing or a good thing, it's just part of who you are. You may be more suited to each situation if you are two-faced but each of these personalities is likely to be less developed and can conflict when the two parties meet. Something of note too, seeing as there is no set personality for me, I often take a while to adapt to new people. For a while I sit quiet and study them almost, until I feel confident that I will be accepted. Maybe not the same with all people but that's something I have noticed in myself.

I'm not sure where I'm heading with this or where this topic should be heading, but anyway: In the end, it's up to the person to decide if it's bad or not. It all boils down to having self confidence. I can speak from personal experience here. :smile: I was sent to some psychiatric place to get me checked for probably the typical ADD or ADHD bullshit because I showed no interests in school. I was really shy at the time so they probably thought I was being depressed. After asking me a lot of questions about various things, I remember they asked me if I could hear things that aren't real, and I said yes. I remember the person who asked me went all "oh we gotta send you to this other place, because this isn't normal" and I had no idea it wasn't normal, which got me worried and confused. I was 18 at the time and I thought hallucinations were normal to have every now and then, so I got worried and depressed and blah blah for a few years. I started taking medications which removed ~ the voices ~, but it made me too neutral and average joe. Everything was OK no matter what. I decided "fuck the medications, I want my creativity, ups and even downs back", and things went back to the way it was before. I was on these for a few years. I moved out to a place where "people with issues" live and met this guy who lives here and had studied things that basically made him feel better. We talked a lot about this a lot which gave me the mindset to feel good and confident about myself. I never really looked at that many videos or anything, just the thoughts and "tricks" worked for me. This guy seemed down at the time but having found someone who was interested in it and the science behind it got him on his tracks again. I don't see the point of being depressed or worried anymore. I can sometimes be scared of doing new things but instead not doing them at all, I just jump into it to see where it takes me instead. [editline]4th October 2011[/editline] here's a quick thought: Being gay is different from being hetero, there's no doubt there. But is it a bad thing? It's only bad for those who think it's bad.

OP are you confused about acting differently towards certain people and having multiple personalities? This is an example of one of the most famous cases of Multiple Personality Disorder (Dissociative Identity Disorder) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X3r49yamlE[/media] What usually accompanies the switch between personalities is Amnesia, the Patient can't recall what the other identity did. In the case of Chris Sizemore her different personalities married different people, not herself. Of course it goes without explanation that these personalities have an unhealthy effect on a persons social life and ability to function.

[b]Hnngh, OP got edited, and thus made my entire argument irreverent. But at least I got some good practice in.[/b] It's not as bad as you people think it is. I'm a paranoid schizophrenic, but I take medication, and I got treatment for it (not "cured", but it could have been much worse). Even though I still hear and see things, it doesn't make me an insane psychotic who is out to murder everyone I see. [quote=NIMH] People with schizophrenia are not usually violent. In fact, most violent crimes are not committed by people with schizophrenia. However, some symptoms are associated with violence, such as delusions of persecution. Substance abuse may also increase the chance a person will become violent. If a person with schizophrenia becomes violent, the violence is usually directed at family members and tends to take place at home. [url=http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/schizophrenia/complete-index.shtml]Article[/url][/quote] There are worse things to have, and it's a very mild condition. It's not very violent either. There are schizophrenics who are violent, yes, but there are just as many violent "regular" people. I believe the media has hyped it up to unnecessary levels. You wouldn't even notice we were schizophrenic until we told you. [quote=Wikipedia]There is a higher than average suicide rate associated with schizophrenia. This has been cited at 10%, but a more recent analysis of studies and statistics revises the estimate to 4.9%, most often occurring in the period following onset or first hospital admission. Several times more (20 to 40%) attempt suicide at least once.[98][99] There are a variety of risk factors, including male gender, depression, and a high intelligence quotient. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia]The Wikipedia page (under Prognosis)[/url] [/quote] And it's harder on the person than you think. There is a 10% suicide rate (10% in earlier studies, but it's been able to go down to 5%). Due to media labeling us as insane, the thought of the unknown spreading around in schools and work, and the common fact we're not "normal" makes people treat us like animals. They back away from us, try to stay as far away from us as they can, and usually don't enjoy talking with any of us. Hell, most of my girlfriends/regular friends have backed away from me because I told them about it. So, although I'd enjoy a cure being out there, schizophrenia doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. As long as you know the facts, and not the bullshit the world is spoon feeding you, you could make some really interesting friends. Plus, I enjoy what I see. I can see sound, see things that make the world beautiful to me, and makes my average life more...adventurous.