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[QUOTE=megafat;46271848]Pointing out that some games are really not worth making.[/QUOTE] yeah but hatred looks genuinely really well made, even though it likely has "Opposite of gone home" syndrome and thus no plot, and the current trailer is very very easy to question the animations and models DO look good. I think I even saw some walls being destroyed by bullets too. the blood effects are pretty damn effective.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46272151]yeah but hatred looks genuinely really well made, even though it likely has "Opposite of gone home" syndrome and thus no plot, and the current trailer is very very easy to question the animations and models DO look good. I think I even saw some walls being destroyed by bullets too. the blood effects are pretty damn effective.[/QUOTE] Twin sticks top down shooters aren't that hard to do, but they are however very hard to design so the player is actually interested past an hour of gameplay. [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Str4fe;46272145]Anyways, video games are just art. Getting mad over art is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] The point of the devs is that they think games aren't art.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46272170]Twin sticks top down shooters aren't that hard to do, but they are however very hard to design so the player is actually interested past an hour of gameplay.[/QUOTE] Hotline Miami I have 21 hours in, but because I play it on and off before I want to play another game, I use it as a way to flex my thumbs even with 21 hours in a top down that's like 6 hours long, its pretty hard to play a game all about killing people extensively. Your brain will go numb. It's very hard to keep it interesting outside of "On and off gameplay" at BEST I'd do maybe one or two levels at a time. Sure, cops and maybe soldiers are available to kill, and it might have "Serious sam style, slow grow into getting more and more tense with bigger and badder guns" type pacing to it, but can it do it well? they can be really intense and that's amazing and great but the reason plot is important to a game is because of [I]pacing[/I] is easier to do. It's easier to have the character in a "Star wars 5" kind of predicament where the main character is in a real pickle and struggles for survival when there's actually a plot. Obviously it might have as much a plot as Hotline, which is very simple and in the background somewhat, as there is no way it'll be a blank slate. But hopefully the plot isn't as small as the game 'Limbo' where the story is - a boy enters limbo to find his sister. Hyper simple and not really explained in the game. that or the game will be insanely short.
Hotline Miami is really well done and a fresh take on twin stick shooters, starting with the fact it's full on top-down and not isometric, along with the one-hit-kill mechanic and the interesting story.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46272711]Hotline Miami is really well done and a fresh take on twin stick shooters, starting with the fact it's full on top-down and not isometric, along with the one-hit-kill mechanic and the interesting story.[/QUOTE] Its story is hardly interesting, its Drive+America FUCK YA. Its actually very ambiguous and empty id say, not to say I didnt love it, but seriously its a pretty empty and lackluster story only held on by its ambiguity more than anything. I mean look at Smash TV, one of the more popular snes games, you literally kill people to get prizes like a fucking toaster on a gameshow. Yet it was very popular and still living on today. I think killing for a TV show is far worse than just killing because, I mean fuck you get toasters/cars/vacations for slaughtering people. I also think its incredibly silly to even make these comparatives because ultimately, they are video games, not real, and just entertainment. For you to so quickly judge this based off the insanely small gameplay we have had is kind of silly imo, honestly it looks pretty great, the animations were nice, the guns sounded good, the execution kills they showed were gruesome and well done, the physics/destruction look nice. I mean nothing shown looked of low quality and rather fun, this is completely ignoring all context. The actual gameplay and movement and all that looked pretty great. Honestly the worst part about hatred so far is just how absurd the premise is, I will defend it but I can also say its premise is very weak, but I wont hold that against it IF they can carry it with gameplay, the same notion I hold for nearly every game. Gameplay > everything imo, not to say a very good story cannot carry mediocre gameplay and ultimately be an incredible game. If hatred is truly a gameplay focused game I will highly respect its choices, if what the devs have said is just a facade and the game is like that movie God Bless America(insanely preachy/political) and ends up being a political piece of shit, then yes ill condemn it because that is not what I am looking for in Hatred. I am just looking for a good game, mostly in terms of mechanics/gameplay/presentation. Lets not deny a game like Hatred that has engaging gameplay would be pretty fucking great and fun, killing people with good gun sounds/looks/physics on top of solid movement and shit isnt gonna end up being a bad time. It could turn out to be an amazing twin stick shooter as you like to call it.
At one point you can clearly see cops shooting at you
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46272088]No they clearly said in their presentation that they wanted to make a game that's artsy or political or colourful because apparently every game that's been made in the past 14 years are all politically correct colorful non-violent artistic showcases. They're literally calling their game a norm breaker. They're as pretentious as they're edgy. So basically, it's a generic shooter with a generic setting and an overdone theme that the developers are persuaded is the absolute pinnacle of originality.[/QUOTE] Congrats you figured out that everygame these past 10 years have nothing unique to them everygame is genric if you boil them down to mechanics like that
No there are games that stand out for one reason or another, Hatred literally doesn't stand out in any possible way. It's that bland looking.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46273181]No there are games that stand out for one reason or another, Hatred literally doesn't stand out in any possible way. It's that bland looking.[/QUOTE] well i mean clearly it stands out everyone wouldn't still be talking about it if it didn't stand out
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46273219]well i mean clearly it stands out everyone wouldn't still be talking about it if it didn't stand out[/QUOTE] It stands out because the trailer is the edgiest and dorkiest thing that showed up this month, that's it.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46273181]Hatred literally doesn't stand out in any possible way[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;46273229]It stands out because the trailer is the edgiest and dorkiest thing that showed up this month, that's it.[/QUOTE] i dont even think you know what you're talking about at this point
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The hypocrisy in this thread is through the roof. :rolleyes: [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;46273181]No there are games that stand out for one reason or another, Hatred literally doesn't stand out in any possible way. It's that bland looking.[/QUOTE] So, "stop liking what I don't like"? [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=megafat;46271778][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay]Rapelay is just a game too.[/url][/QUOTE] You're right, playing Hatred makes me want to kill everyone and playing Rapelay makes me want to rape everyone. Not really. Dumb argument.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46273229]It stands out because the trailer is the edgiest and dorkiest thing that showed up this month, that's it.[/QUOTE] I don't know, dude. Those executions look pretty unsettling. I'd say that stands out.
Interesting stuff. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Pjo13UG.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Cold Finger;46275478]I don't know, dude. Those executions look pretty unsettling. I'd say that stands out.[/QUOTE] Oh a game with gory executions including dismemberment, both on and executed by the player. Let's see here : The Punisher Mortal Kombat (and a list of many clones including Thrill Kill) Manhunt Hotline Miami Xmen Origins Wolverine Dead Space Tomb Raider The Darkness Prototype Condemned God of War Dante's Inferno Shadow of Rome (a game where you can tear off someone's arm and use it as a mace) Dark Sector Postal I wouldn't say executions stand out because as far as games that are explicitly gory and violent go, finishers are almost a given. A lot of the games listed above have had some much more disturbing shit than shooting a woman in the mouth.
A while ago I thought wow with all this social justice bullshit going on and everyone getting offended all the time, imagine all the coverage you'd get if you made a game that's actually offensive. Looks like I wasn't the only one who thought this
[QUOTE=Larry_G;46275864]A while ago I thought wow with all this social justice bullshit going on and everyone getting offended all the time, imagine all the coverage you'd get if you made a game that's actually offensive. Looks like I wasn't the only one who thought this[/QUOTE] Games that are "actually offensive" do exist, they're just really bad. See ethnic cleansing, ZOG's nightmare. Also a lot of people got mad at GTA V, because it makes fun of that sort of stuff and has some pretty crude satire of racism. Honestly the best offensive game we could get as of 2014 would be a good duke nukem game.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46275637]Oh a game with gory executions including dismemberment, both on and executed by the player. Let's see here : The Punisher Mortal Kombat (and a list of many clones including Thrill Kill) Manhunt Hotline Miami Xmen Origins Wolverine Dead Space Tomb Raider The Darkness Prototype Condemned God of War Dante's Inferno Shadow of Rome (a game where you can tear off someone's arm and use it as a mace) Dark Sector Postal I wouldn't say executions stand out because as far as games that are explicitly gory and violent go, finishers are almost a given. A lot of the games listed above have had some much more disturbing shit than shooting a woman in the mouth.[/QUOTE] I'd also add Sleeping Dogs (environmental kills which include slaming someone's face into a table saw), the entire Fallout series (especially 3/New Vegas)(also the Bloody Mess perk/trait in all games), Mad World and possibly Skyrim with its killmoves.
Yeah I forgot about these. Goes to show how many games out there have finishers and such.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46275616]Interesting stuff. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Pjo13UG.png[/img][/QUOTE] God, the edge of the game really shows in his words. I cringed several times while reading that. I mean sure, most people are unhappy about how the world works, but that guy goes about it like some 16 year old who just discovered Slipknot's Iowa record.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46275616]Interesting stuff. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Pjo13UG.png[/img][/QUOTE] You can't say the game is satire anymore after reading this
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46277457]You can't say the game is satire anymore after reading this[/QUOTE] Yes, because by playing it you will literally be worse than Hitler.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46275616]Interesting stuff. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Pjo13UG.png[/img][/QUOTE] I'm not suprised that their main inspiration is Postal. :v:
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;46252223]wow its like the movie Rampage converted into a video game [video=youtube;M9IJkmD5NGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IJkmD5NGo[/video][/QUOTE] that's filmed in my hometown, the coffee shop is a gelato shop on the main drag of the town it's so weird to see a film just have people be murdered in your own town and the movie doesn't try to hide the town.
It's funny how often the trump card "sounds like you're sixteen and in high school" gets thrown around here on Facepunch considering A) that's a non-argument insult to try and shut down any real discussion and B) most of you are in High School anyway. Quit trying to act like a big boy, only people who are in High School themselves try and pull that. I am pretty shocked myself at how many people are genuinely upset.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46275637]Oh a game with gory executions including dismemberment, both on and executed by the player. Let's see here : I wouldn't say executions stand out because as far as games that are explicitly gory and violent go, finishers are almost a given. A lot of the games listed above have had some much more disturbing shit than shooting a woman in the mouth.[/QUOTE] Don't forget Jedi Knight Never Gory, but plenty of heads going off last I played it GTA 5 also had a pretty fucked torture scene that was in the main mission. [video=youtube;S8R73tbJtNA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8R73tbJtNA[/video]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46275637]I wouldn't say executions stand out because as far as games that are explicitly gory and violent go, finishers are almost a given. A lot of the games listed above have had some much more disturbing shit than shooting a woman in the mouth.[/QUOTE] The reactions displayed by the victims made me feel off. Stuff like Mortal Kombat and God of War aren't even that bad because it's just mindless gore for the sake of fun. This game, on the other hand, is just disturbing. Though, I have heard that Manhunt is pretty fucked up too, but I haven't played it.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46277500]Yes, because by playing it you will literally be worse than Hitler.[/QUOTE] Nah, Hitler is so 70 years ago. ISIS is the new Hitler.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46278136]Don't forget Jedi Knight Never Gory, but plenty of heads going off last I played it GTA 5 also had a pretty fucked torture scene that was in the main mission. [video=youtube;S8R73tbJtNA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8R73tbJtNA[/video][/QUOTE] The torture scene isn't really all that bad and [sp]the guy always survives it.[/sp]
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