[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46295674]The game gives you a role and character to play, and you roll with it. It's over the top, there's barely any blood, and everybody you're [I]supposed[/I] to shoot shoots back at you, unless you manage to sneak up on them first.
You also have goals besides killing everyone, and the narrative supports that. The narrative coincides with the objectives and action, whereas in this game it's a 40 second snippet to justify mindless slaughter.
One is a violent game with justification for its violence, one is a violent game with a very shaky attempt at justification.
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Getting paid to murder innocent policemen = Justification
Murdering innocent policemen because you are misanthropic = Not Justification
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;46295799]All I know is playing this game won't make me think murdering people is any less horrific in reality, but I'm not some youtuber or "journalist" that needs to point my finger.
edit: does wanting to try this, epsecially after the backlash, make me like, literally!, a sociopath?[/QUOTE]
No one said anything even remotely close to that though, it's all about how stupidly edgy and generic the game looks.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46295674]The game gives you a role and character to play, and you roll with it. It's over the top, there's barely any blood, and everybody you're [I]supposed[/I] to shoot shoots back at you, unless you manage to sneak up on them first.
You also have goals besides killing everyone, and the narrative supports that. The narrative coincides with the objectives and action, whereas in this game it's a 40 second snippet to justify mindless slaughter.
One is a violent game with justification for its violence, one is a violent game with a very shaky attempt at justification.
[editline]21st October 2014[/editline]
Haha wow, what a belittling paragraph of trash that does nothing but say "no YOU!!!"[/QUOTE]
Actually they said a lot, like how people who thought they were neo-nazis were fucking idiots.
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;46297446]They've been accused of being Neo Nazis and they've had their game accused of being a "a racist genocide sim", what do you expect them to do? I don't understand what is so bad about saying "Hey guys, we're not fascists and you're kind of silly for thinking it!".
It's no more "trying to act above the critics" than an unpopular forum user being accused of being a pedophile stepping up and saying "Woah, what the fuck, that's not true!" is.[/QUOTE]
oh i understand that they were receiving some of that criticism, but i guess i assumed the bigger issue was not that they were neo-nazis, but that they were psychopaths.
and with that example, i'd assume the conversation would spiral out of control trying to prove why he isn't a pedophile, much like how i'd assume this conversation would go too. they provided nothing to fight the larger problem at hand, and solely focused on this problem that, up until now, i personally haven't heard.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46295674]The game gives you a role and character to play, and you roll with it. It's over the top, there's barely any blood, and everybody you're [I]supposed[/I] to shoot shoots back at you, unless you manage to sneak up on them first.
You also have goals besides killing everyone, and the narrative supports that. The narrative coincides with the objectives and action, whereas in this game it's a 40 second snippet to justify mindless slaughter.
One is a violent game with justification for its violence, one is a violent game with a very shaky attempt at justification.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking kidding me? "Justification" for violence? What kind of retarded fucking hypocrisy is this?
Since when is killing anyone, let alone killing cops as a criminal, justified or morally acceptable?
Do you even realize how retarded your "it's okay to kill cops if you're robbing a bank" statement sounds?
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46299984]Are you fucking kidding me? "Justification" for violence? What kind of retarded fucking hypocrisy is this?
Since when is killing anyone, let alone killing cops as a criminal, justified or morally acceptable?
Do you even realize how retarded your "it's okay to kill cops if you're robbing a bank" statement sounds?[/QUOTE]
His point is that in Payday you have a motive that's not just "kill people because it looks cool to kill people", in Payday the cop killing is a side effect of the job, not the job itself, and civilian killing is punished outright.
I swear i'm going to buy this game when it comes, out.
It [I]seems[/I] to take itself ultra-seriously, but it's just so feels over the top that [I]I[/I] can't take it seriously.
Jesus Christ it's too much for even me, and I love stabbing old ladies in GTA.
Man, all I can think of is Natural Selection Marines when I look at this game.
"My shrink says I need an outlet for my aggression."
Holy fuck this thread is still going.
The people who condemn this game are worse than the people making or those that are going to play it. Fucking look at yourselves, you absolutely loathe these people considering them "subhuman scum" or calling them edgy teenagers.
God you people must think you are the shit for hating on this game. Your original points(which are actually viable, good job on that guys!) get consumed by your massive ego. That's all you're doing, putting yourselves above the people making/playing this and that's despiseful. It's not about how wrong or disturbing the game is, this is about how good and morally correct you guys portray and view yourselves. A really simple "I am better than you because" attitude.
The only people that actually care about the game where the ones posting "will probably turn out shit but I'll wait and see".
I hope it atleast makes yourselves feel better. It's all you're going to achieve with this. The devs may be really fucking creepy for even considering making something like this but goddamnit you guys are making them look smart as fuck with your holier-than-thou attitude. Get off your high-horse. It's a murder-simulator it doesn't get any more retarded than that. Good job on doing exactly what the devs were trying to do though. Just look at how many people got enraged by 1 single sentence, the one were the devs made out the game to be a "political statement".
And your bashing of LEETNOOB for voicing his opinion was really, really low. Someones disagreeing with me? Call him a racist!
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46300072]His point is that in Payday you have a motive that's not just "kill people because it looks cool to kill people", in Payday the cop killing is a side effect of the job, not the job itself, and civilian killing is punished outright.[/QUOTE]
"It's okay to kill because they are armed and it's not the main objective".
I'm pretty sure you die if you don't kill the cops. But wait, doesn't that mean the game FORCES you to kill cops!? Your reasoning is a load of horseshit.
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;46297908]Getting paid to murder innocent policemen = Justification
Murdering innocent policemen because you are misanthropic = Not Justification
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Why does this get rated dumb? Did it show you how ass-backwards your reasoning is?
The justification for violence argument is fucking retarded. "It's socially acceptable because I'm portraying a bank robber". Really? That's your reasoning? Are you fucking serious?
You idiots are proving the point I made in this post. "I'm better than you because I have a reason for killing these people"
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46295674]The game gives you a role and character to play, and you roll with it. It's over the top, there's barely any blood, and everybody you're [I]supposed[/I] to shoot shoots back at you, unless you manage to sneak up on them first.
You also have goals besides killing everyone, and the narrative supports that. The narrative coincides with the objectives and action, whereas in this game it's a 40 second snippet to justify mindless slaughter.
One is a violent game with justification for its violence, one is a violent game with a very shaky attempt at justification.
[/QUOTE]
So... you're saying killing cops is just a "second objective?"
...last time I checked, killing ANYONE regardless of motive or not is still killing (or manslaughter). There's no justification in anything if someone is getting a bullet to the head or being sliced with a sharp object.
Now I'm not siding with the social justice warriors (because I really don't care if I am killing virtual people), I'm just saying check yourself before you shrek yourself.
[quote=asteroidrules]His point is that in Payday you have a motive that's not just "kill people because it looks cool to kill people", in Payday the cop killing is a side effect of the job, not the job itself, and civilian killing is punished outright.[/quote]
And I will say the same for this. Killing ANYONE REGARDLESS OF INTENT OR NOT IS STILL MURDER OR MANSLAUGHTER, you can't justify your reason for murder because it's still terrible in the first damn place.
If we're really gonna start applying real life stuff to god damn video games I will gladly do the same in order to prove that there shouldn't be SJW's trying to stand up for other violent games when this one does the same. This is a god damn video game with violence just like the other 200+ games that exist today. Now then, dumb vote all you want because really this thread is a wild fire.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46300876]*snip*[/QUOTE]
I mostly agree with you, but there's no need for insults here. Even though it may sometimes sound like some of the people here would have bought into the whole "Doom's a murder sim made by SATANISTS!" crowd, you shouldn't lose your cool.
Don't get so upset over the "edgy" comments either, the opening statement of the game [I]IS[/I] pretty edgy. Though, that being said I don't think it's because the devs are angsty manchildren, I think it's just because edge and mass shooters go together like fedoras and obesity. Just look at some of the nutters and what they write.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46300876]-snip-[/QUOTE]
You seem really unnecessarily angry. I don't think even the people who are against the game posted something as angry as this rant.
And no, i don't think i'm holier-than-thou. All of my posts were pointing out that some things can cross the line and that even free speech has some limitations.
[QUOTE=megafat;46301192]You seem really unnecessarily angry. I don't think even the people who are against the game posted something as angry as this rant.
And no, i don't think i'm holier-than-thou. All of my posts were pointing out that some things can cross the line and that even free speech has some limitations.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;46301046]I mostly agree with you, but there's no need for insults here. Even though it may sometimes sound like some of the people here would have bought into the whole "Doom's a murder sim made by SATANISTS!" crowd, you shouldn't lose your cool.
Don't get so upset over the "edgy" comments either, the opening statement of the game [I]IS[/I] pretty edgy. Though, that being said I don't think it's because the devs are angsty manchildren, I think it's just because edge and mass shooters go together like fedoras and obesity. Just look at some of the nutters and what they write.[/QUOTE]
Granted, may have been a bit overkill but I just read 12 pages of people stroking their dicks to their oh so political correct SJW opinions :v:
They weren't even trying to hide, just joining the FP Bandwagon of ego boosting. Worse than Sensationalist Headlines with all their faked support for LGBT and whatever the fuck sparks 10+ conversations over there.
This game pleases our dark side.
Even though it was quite rude, I liked their answer to the critics, especially this bit sounds like it was written with a bit of humor:
[QUOTE=Dev team]The Antagonist is killing everyone equally, race doesn't matter (it's randomly generated for all NPC's), sex doesn't matter (it's random too), so you can call it the most tolerant game, promoting equality. Here everybody dies.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Combine;46300876] Why does this get rated dumb? Did it show you how ass-backwards your reasoning is?
The justification for violence argument is fucking retarded. "It's socially acceptable because I'm portraying a bank robber". Really? That's your reasoning? Are you fucking serious?
You idiots are proving the point I made in this post. "I'm better than you because I have a reason for killing these people"[/QUOTE]
It's getting dumbed for bad reading, in the original post he didn't say it wasn't justification, he said it was a shitty/shaky justification.
Ow, The Edge.
[video=youtube;BBfIE--Go1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBfIE--Go1I[/video]
[QUOTE=The Combine;46301495]Granted, may have been a bit overkill but I just read 12 pages of people stroking their dicks to their oh so political correct SJW opinions :v:
They weren't even trying to hide, just joining the FP Bandwagon of ego boosting. Worse than Sensationalist Headlines with all their faked support for LGBT and whatever the fuck sparks 10+ conversations over there.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the classic dismissing arguments and calling everyone with a problem with this game an 'SJW'.
No, I don't think this game shouldn't be made, doing so would go against everything the gaming community has fought for.
I do, however, think that the Devs are egotistical douchebags who think they"re innovative for 'going against the norm', and their mindset (Games shouldn't be 'artsy') is toxic to the community and doesn't help Video Games progress as a legitimate medium.
I'm not 'ego boosting' whatever that means, Jesus Christ can't I just express my opinion without an ulterior motive.
[QUOTE=dvc;46319936]Ah yes, the classic dismissing arguments and calling everyone with a problem with this game an 'SJW'.
No, I don't think this game shouldn't be made, doing so would go against everything the gaming community has fought for.
I do, however, think that the Devs are egotistical douchebags who think they"re innovative for 'going against the norm', and their mindset (Games shouldn't be 'artsy') is toxic to the community and doesn't help Video Games progress as a legitimate medium.
I'm not 'ego boosting' whatever that means, Jesus Christ can't I just express my opinion without an ulterior motive.[/QUOTE]
He didn't even call you out yet you felt the need to defend your self.
That's maxofs2d level ego boosting
I don't know why everyone's focusing on the skinhead who likes pictures of skulls on his facebook page and neo-nazi accusations...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ih4d2gQ.jpg[/img]
this guy on the dev team looks like he rapes, tortures and murders teenage girls.
[QUOTE=Sally;46320188]He didn't even call you out yet you felt the need to defend your self.
That's maxofs2d level ego boosting[/QUOTE]
he called out literally everyone who expressed negative opinions towards the game in this thread
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46320204]I don't know why everyone's focusing on the skinhead who likes pictures of skulls on his facebook page and neo-nazi accusations...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ih4d2gQ.jpg[/img]
this guy on the dev team looks like he rapes, tortures and murders teenage girls.[/QUOTE]
A+ argument. I can't even tell if this is Poe's law or not.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46300072]His point is that in Payday you have a motive that's not just "kill people because it looks cool to kill people", in Payday the cop killing is a side effect of the job, not the job itself, and civilian killing is punished outright.[/QUOTE]
Not in bank heist. Blasting the tellers is the first part of the plan. It's open season on anyone not cable-tied either lol.
Or shadow raid.
Or pretty much anytime there's an inconvenient civ.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46320204]I don't know why everyone's focusing on the skinhead who likes pictures of skulls on his facebook page and neo-nazi accusations...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ih4d2gQ.jpg[/img]
this guy on the dev team looks like he rapes, tortures and murders teenage girls.[/QUOTE]
And the way that you post suggests that you are an asshole. I am not saying that you are, I just want to show you how dumb prejudice is in such cases.
I think that people should calm down, the game isn't even out yet, all you have seen is a trailer. And for a trailer it reached its goal: to make people talk about the product.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46320204]I don't know why everyone's focusing on the skinhead who likes pictures of skulls on his facebook page and neo-nazi accusations...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ih4d2gQ.jpg[/img]
this guy on the dev team looks like he rapes, tortures and murders teenage girls.[/QUOTE]
Not all ugly people are rapists.
It was a joke, sorry dudes
But he does oddly resemble this guy:
[img]http://image.b4in.net/resources/2013/09/18/1379532185-pedro.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46321222]It was a joke, sorry dudes
But he does oddly resemble this guy:
[img]http://image.b4in.net/resources/2013/09/18/1379532185-pedro.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[t]http://www.jewishsoftware.com/products/files/noseglassmustache.jpg[/t]
Maybe if he puts these on.
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