GameGrumps - A new youtube channel from JonTron and Egoraptor - General

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[QUOTE=Von;38945895][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifTY8MF8EeE[/media][/QUOTE] BUILT IN TUTORIALS FUCKING SUCK HMRRHRMRMR YOU SHOUDL LEARN BY DOING BRHRRRMRHDRDMS. *has no fucking idea what to do because they keep skipping the tutorial bubbles*

[QUOTE=legolover122;38947683]BUILT IN TUTORIALS FUCKING SUCK HMRRHRMRMR YOU SHOUDL LEARN BY DOING BRHRRRMRHDRDMS. *has no fucking idea what to do because they keep skipping the tutorial bubbles*[/QUOTE] That and their constant use of the word "game feel" to justify not liking a game.

[QUOTE=legolover122;38947683]BUILT IN TUTORIALS FUCKING SUCK HMRRHRMRMR YOU SHOUDL LEARN BY DOING BRHRRRMRHDRDMS. *has no fucking idea what to do because they keep skipping the tutorial bubbles*[/QUOTE] these two things are unrelated if you disagree you need to go back and watch the megaman sequelitis

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;38947730]That and their constant use of the word "game feel" to justify not liking a game.[/QUOTE] That is actually a legit reason not to like a game, though [QUOTE=legolover122;38947683]BUILT IN TUTORIALS FUCKING SUCK HMRRHRMRMR YOU SHOUDL LEARN BY DOING BRHRRRMRHDRDMS. *has no fucking idea what to do because they keep skipping the tutorial bubbles*[/QUOTE] Games have to be intuitive

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38947739]these two things are unrelated[/QUOTE] The point is that without tutorials in game nobody would know what the fuck to do without guessing. Them skipping the tutorial bubble and not knowing what the fuck they were supposed to do is a major indicator that tutorials are obviously a good thing.

[QUOTE=Block;38947659][IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/2n8q2r5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Send it to them

[QUOTE=legolover122;38947775]The point is that without tutorials in game nobody would know what the fuck to do without guessing. Them skipping the tutorial bubble and not knowing what the fuck they were supposed to do is a major indicator that tutorials are obviously a good thing.[/QUOTE] They have never said that games should just not have tutorials. The game should be made in a way that teaches you how to play without having to stop you and make you read a floating question mark every it introduces something new.

[QUOTE=Block;38947659][IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/2n8q2r5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] HARK! I AM GRUMPE.

Just sent Mystical Ninja N64, Duke Nukem Time to Kill, Tomb Raider II Gold, Air Conflicts, Serious Sam, Red Faction, Dragon's Lair II, Deer Hunter II, Deer Avenger 4, Tribes 2, StarLancer, Gunman Chronicles, Spongebob Squarepants Operation Krabby Patty, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Who Framed Roger Rabbit for NES, and two shitty plug 'n play Star Wars games to the Game Grumps.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;38947937]Just sent Mystical Ninja N64, Duke Nukem Time to Kill, Tomb Raider II Gold, Air Conflicts, Serious Sam, Red Faction, Dragon's Lair II, Deer Hunter II, Deer Avenger 4, Tribes 2, StarLancer, Gunman Chronicles, Spongebob Squarepants Operation Krabby Patty, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Who Framed Roger Rabbit for NES, and two shitty plug 'n play Star Wars games to the Game Grumps.[/QUOTE] You are a god among grumps.

[QUOTE=RedStar;38947927]HARK! I AM GRUMPE.[/QUOTE] I AM LESSER GRUMPE.

[QUOTE=RedStar;38947927]HARK! I AM GRUMPE.[/QUOTE] VERILY I AM OF LESSER GRUMPERY!

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38947979]I AM LESSER GRUMPE.[/QUOTE] AND THE TWO OF US FORM THE COMEDY TROUPE KNOWN AS THE GAME GRUMPES.

Damnit. [B]Edit:[/B] Goddamnit I can't even automerge right.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;38947852]They have never said that games should just not have tutorials. The game should be made in a way that teaches you how to play without having to stop you and make you read a floating question mark every it introduces something new.[/QUOTE] You can't apply that kind of learning with controls though.

[QUOTE=legolover122;38947775]The point is that without tutorials in game nobody would know what the fuck to do without guessing. Them skipping the tutorial bubble and not knowing what the fuck they were supposed to do is a major indicator that tutorials are obviously a good thing.[/QUOTE] then you don't get the point of why they say built in tutorials are bad. jon and erin ignoring them is entirely unrelated to the argument that they're bad. i don't see what you're trying to get at. yeah they should probably use the tutorials so they get a better sense of what to do but that has nothing to do with the concept that games shouldn't be designed like that because its fuckin terrible.

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[QUOTE=Primigenes;38948178]If your referring to Arin in Sequelitis he was talking about stuff like giant bubbles telling you that some platforms fall, some enemies have certain areas for damage or subtle hints about wall jumping and shit. He never really said tutorials were bad just that they shouldn't treat people like idiots. Arin found it out by himself anyway so I don't see whats the problem.[/QUOTE] In the Demon's Souls series Jon went on about how a game should teach you through gameplay. In Sonic 06 he didn't even try all the buttons. I'm not trying to excuse Sonic 06, but Jon can be a bit derpy at times.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;38948178]If your referring to Arin in Sequelitis he was talking about stuff like giant bubbles telling you that some platforms fall, some enemies have certain areas for damage or subtle hints about wall jumping and shit. He never really said tutorials were bad just that they shouldn't treat people like idiots. Arin found it out by himself anyway so I don't see whats the problem.[/QUOTE] He's referring to Jon when he said, in the WiiU Donkey Kong Course videos I think, that games shouldn't have built in tutorials, that you should learn by doing, to which Arin subtly agreed.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;38948237]He's referring to Jon when he said, in the WiiU Donkey Kong Course videos I think, that games shouldn't have built in tutorials, that you should learn by doing, to which Arin subtly agreed.[/QUOTE] To be honest Arin just agrees with a lot of the things that Jon says even if its quite obvious that he doesn't agree with them to avoid a long pointless argument.

[QUOTE=Hakita;38948298]To be honest Arin just agrees with a lot of the things that Jon says even if its quite obvious that he doesn't agree with them to avoid a long pointless argument.[/QUOTE] i think that's a big assumption

I think it's different when you're talking to a friend and making an entertaining video at the same time. I'm sure if each of them were playing on their own (god help them if they did play Sonic 06 alone) they would read things properly and be more thorough with working problems out. But I do that when I play games coop with mates, you miss things you'd notice on your own.

So turns out I have a friend who watches Game Grumps, works at GameStop but has never played 06. I bought it from him (with a discount) and we are gonna play it tommorow. Also, if you want to get this game, play it with friends.

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[QUOTE=Laserbeams;38947774]That is actually a legit reason not to like a game, though[/QUOTE] But they overuse the word.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;38948807]But they overuse the word.[/QUOTE] so first you make a post which seemed to imply (unless i read it wrong but im p sure i read it clearly) that you think they're using a term as a cop out for not liking something and then when someone responds saying that it's a legitimate criticism of a game you say they overuse it? yea ok!! it doesnt matter if they say it a lot what are they supposed to do make up synonyms

Those Ultraman names all sound like made up names Jon would make.

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