Should death penalty be abolished - General

I used to think "omg people kill over 10 people should be killed" but after a bit of thought I've decided that life in prison is much worse. Putting them in prison lets them know everyone outside hates them, everyone inside hates them too, they want to kill themselves but can't and they have to spend the rest of their life knowing that. It's a much more fitting punishment than simply taking someones life.

[QUOTE=xDrTran;22432066]I'm not giving him respect to his life, he's going to jail to suffer, whereas he dies instantly on Deathrow. :/[/QUOTE] Well that's where people split. To let the criminal spend the rest of his life fully, or to make him live his final hour. Personally for me, waking up one day and knowing that it will be my last would terrify me. My last meal, sleep, shave, etc... Knowing that soon I will be gone, all over.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432140]Well that's where people split. To let the criminal spend the rest of his life fully, or to make him live his final hour. Personally for me, waking up one day and knowing that it will be my last day would terrify me. My last meal, sleep, shave, etc...[/QUOTE] At least you'd die instantly. Whereas, in Jail, you'd be spending your last 30+ years in confinement, with other murderers, probably get raped and THEN die in there.

I think they should have death penalties. In fact, I think they should have public executions like they did a long time ago, to set an example for other people. Today, we have KIDS (teenagers, hell, even 10-12 year olds) that steal cars, murder, break into houses, etc. The best they are let off with is a slap on the wrists and a shake of the finger. Kids in Canada that do things like this are given little to no punishment, and go out and do it again the next day. If we had public executions, like hangings or something, I think people would be more afraid of breaking the law. Stupid ass kids wouldn't be bear-macing people for fun (seriously, it's happened a few times where I live), or stealing cars. Stealing cars won't be as much fun when you get executed afterwards.

[QUOTE=xDrTran;22432159]At least you'd die instantly. Whereas, in Jail, you'd be spending your last 30+ years in confinement, with other murderers, probably get raped and THEN die in there.[/QUOTE] I believe too that spending 30+ years in jail for the rest of your life is worse than the death penalty, but there's comes a point where the act of the crime is so bad that he/she does not deserve to live anymore.

Yes. Living in prison is hell when you're Bubba's GF, so what do we need the death penalty for?

I'm against for death penalty for the sheer fact that I don't like the idea of the government killing people. It freaks me right the fuck out.

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22432261]I'm against for death penalty for the sheer fact that I don't like the idea of the government killing people. It freaks me right the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Actually it's the peers of the criminal who convict him. Not the government.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432275]Actually it's the peers of the criminal who convict him. Not the government.[/QUOTE] The criminal's peers do not provide the lethal injections, nor the facilities to use them.

[QUOTE=slinkman;22432051]no. I think every convicted criminal should be killed. One bullet to the head. That should free up a few billion dollars from our budget.[/QUOTE] oh wow that guy smoked some pot *bam* oh look that kid shoplifted some candy *bam* oh look that lady drove drunk one time *bam* what a great society we live in

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22432299]The criminal's peers do not provide the lethal injections, nor the facilities to use them.[/QUOTE] Well the injection is done by a machine and the chemicals are made by the common man. I see no government in this other then a governor approving the execution.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;22432013]If he killed one person, with little to no proof, then let him live. This time could be used to research what happened and if he is guilty or not.[/QUOTE] :facepalm: Are you serious? Convict a person of a crime where there is little to no evidence of their guilt? Our legal system is based on the principle that all people are innocent until proven guilty. Your concept takes this completely out of proportion.

Honestly, the death penalty itself is not a good deterrent to crime if they don't sentence everyone who commits a certain type of crime to it. It's not the type of punishment, but the certainty of punishment that acts as a good deterrent to deviance. For example, if the mods banned everyone who did a certain action 100% of the time, less people would do that action than if the mods only banned 50% of the people who did that action. However, mixing a severe punishment with a severely high certainty of being caught/punished/etcetera is more effective than just having that punishment as a choice.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432335]Well the injection is done by a machine and the chemicals are made by the common man. I see no government in this.[/QUOTE] Who owns the facilities that these injections are done by? The government. Who allows this glorified version of an honor killing to go on? The government. Jesus Christ man, are you that blind?

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432027]So what if it was your kids who he killed and raped? Who had no respect for the lives of your kids, so why would you give respect to his life?[/QUOTE] If the law says that life must be respected it would be extremely hypocritical to punish breakers of that law with death now wouldn't it

Playing god is technically not a strong point, because of separation of church and state.

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22432364]Who owns the facilities that these injections are done by? The government. Who allows this glorified version of an honor killing to go on? The government. Jesus Christ man, are you that blind?[/QUOTE] The facilities are just prisons where the executions take place. Why does it matter if the government owns them or not, it might even be a privately owned prison. The government is ran by the people, so the people allow the executions to go on.

Power for the Electric Chair: $2 Potassium Chlorate: $3 Wooden Tomb: $6 Keeping a Murderer in Prison for a Year: $1,000,000 Knowing That There is One Less Criminal in the World: Priceless

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22431082]Helping the economy by not spending so much on jail would be achieved by ceasing to jail people for petty crimes, like drug possession. Not by killing people. I don't feel like going back to quote you again, but yes, murderers are still citizens protected by law; they are not lesser human beings.[/QUOTE] How can you even say that they are equal? Humanitarians are the same worth as murderers?

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432419]The facilities are just prisons where the executions take place. You want them to do executions on the streets like the old days? The government is ran by the people, so the people allow the executions to go on.[/QUOTE] Judge has final word on all convictions and sentencing.

too lazy to read it all, just throwing in my opinion, but not a chance should we get rid of the death sentence, in fact we should use it more, i am ashamed that minnesota doesnt take hold of it

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22432433]How can you even say that they are equal? Humanitarians are the same worth as murderers?[/QUOTE] Absolutely. You're thinking from a moral absolutist point of view, which is quite a narrow mindset. [editline]11:18PM[/editline] To everyone for the death penalty, I crack out my classic Facepunch line I use in situations like this: [b]Go read some more Nietzsche and cut yourself.[/b]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22432439]Judge has final word on all convictions and sentencing.[/QUOTE] No he doesn't, don't talk about what you don't know. The judge is the ref of a court and absolutely does not decide the decision of the jury.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22432449]Absolutely. You're thinking from a moral absolutist point of view, which is quite a narrow mindset. [editline]11:18PM[/editline] To everyone for the death penalty, I crack out my classic Facepunch line I use in situations like this: [B]Go read some more Nietzsche and cut yourself.[/B][/QUOTE] Why do you think Morals don't matter? This isn't morals like "he killed cute puppy murder him!1", it's morals like "person who helps humans is worth more than person who destroys humans", which is a totally logical thing to think.

[QUOTE=M4 Sherman;22432429]Power for the Electric Chair: $2 Potassium Chlorate: $3 Wooden Tomb: $6 Keeping a Murderer in Prison for a Year: $1,000,000 Knowing That There is One Less Criminal in the World: Priceless[/QUOTE] Electric chair is not used anymore. What about the fee for the executioner? What about the administration fees? And you forgot the most expensive part... the automatic appeal. More expensive then the imprisoning a murder for life. It's not all about the money anyway.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432494]No he doesn't, don't talk about what you don't know. The judge is the ref of a court and absolutely does not decide the decision of the jury.[/QUOTE] I think the Judge has some control over the sentencing

[QUOTE=Ragy;22432494]No he doesn't, don't talk about what you don't know. The judge is the ref of a court and absolutely does not decide the decision of the jury.[/QUOTE] Jury does not issue sentences in criminal cases numb nuts. Jury can only issues damages in a civil case.

...Sure is some stunted ethics in here.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22432501]Electric chair is not used anymore. What about the fee for the executioner? What about the administration fees? And you forgot the most expensive part... the automatic appeal. More expensive then the imprisoning a murder for life. It's not all about the money anyway.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's about punishment that doesn't involve fucking over society even after they murder someone.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22432501]Electric chair is not used anymore. What about the fee for the executioner? What about the administration fees? And you forgot the most expensive part... the automatic appeal. More expensive then the imprisoning a murder for life. It's not all about the money anyway.[/QUOTE] Some states do still use the electric chair.