[QUOTE=Ragy;22432815]Dear god I already explained this. It's up to the grand jury to charge the defendant with a death penalty.[/QUOTE]
What? The Grand Jury, a system that is now only used in the United States, is only used to achieve a true bill, which allows felony charges to be brought against the accused.
It's got nothing to do with the sentence or the conviction of the accused.
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432815]Dear god I already explained this. It's up to the grand jury to charge the defendant with a death penalty.[/QUOTE]
You are an angry manchild who cannot admit he was wrong. A [I]judge[/I] issues the sentence. You already said he did, now you're saying a grand jury does?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22432841]What? The Grand Jury, a system that is now only used in the United States ,is only used to achieve a true bill, which allows felony charges to be brought to the accused.[/QUOTE]
It's up to the grand jury to decide if a defendant should be brought to court based on the charges.
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[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22432861]You are an angry manchild who cannot admit he was wrong. A [I]judge[/I] issues the sentence. You already said he did, now you're saying a grand jury does?[/QUOTE]
Judge issues the sentence, grand jury decides to bring the sentence and charges to court.
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This is pointless arguing with you idiots, bye.
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432867]It's up to the grand jury to decide if a defendant should be brought to court based on the charges.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and a Grand Jury is only used to determine if a prima facie case exists. Once again, this has nothing to do with sentence or conviction.
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432867]It's up to the grand jury to decide if a defendant should be brought to court based on the charges.
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Judge issues the sentence, grand jury decides to being the sentence and charges to court.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432815]Dear god I already explained this. It's up to the grand jury to charge the defendant with a death penalty.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432494]No he doesn't, don't talk about what you don't know. The judge is the ref of a court and absolutely does not decide the decision of the jury.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragy;22432764]Silly boy. Judge issues the charges, grand jury decides if those charges should be brought forth to the defendant. "Guilty" is what the jury says. "Death penalty" is what the judge says [b] based on the decision of the jury.[/b]
Just because the judge has the final word does not mean it's decided by him.[/QUOTE]
Who decides what again? You've stated different things different times.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;22432867]Judge issues the sentence, grand jury decides to bring the sentence and charges to court.[/QUOTE]
[b]NO![/b] The Grand Jury is used to bring a true bill, or indictment if you live in any country other than the US, which begins the trial. It's got nothing to do with the sentence.
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I think he realised he was wrong. :v:
Hi guys, I'm really not sure what's been going on in this thread, but I think that the death penalty is wrong and that all criminals should be attempted to be rehabilitated. All. No exceptions.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22432907][b]NO![/b] The Grand Jury is used to bring a true bill, or indictment if you live in any country other than the US, which begins the trial. It's got nothing to do with the sentence.
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I think he realised he was wrong. :v:[/QUOTE]
Now that he's gone, we can get back to a civil discussion about the pros and cons of state sanctioned executions.
I would put forward that the chance of a wrongful execution is a daunting and, frankly, quite terrifying prospect.
There's a level between having hope that they can be rehabilitated, knowing that they can't, and JUST PLAIN NOT WANTING TO
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22432978]There's a level between having hope that they can be rehabilitated, knowing that they can't, and JUST PLAIN NOT WANTING TO[/QUOTE]
Then why does it work for Norway so well
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22432952]Now that he's gone, we can get back to a civil discussion about the pros and cons of state sanctioned executions.
I would put forward that the chance of a wrongful execution is a daunting and, frankly, quite terrifying prospect.[/QUOTE]
I'll add that jail as a deterrent doesn't fucking work. Jail/prison shouldn't be punishment, it should be rehabilitation. When someone gets out of jail/prison on parole they should also be relocated to a different place in the country (not always, judge's discretion), so that they don't know any of their old criminal buddies. Also the laws also need to be fixed so that they aren't fucking retarded. IE: Pot is illegal. Having laws that punish victim-less crimes only make people hate the system, it benefits nothing.
I don't know, need more torture tbh. killing someone is basically letting them get away with it, no punishment what so ever, same with all the shooters where the killer ends up killing themselves. They basically get zero punishment, sure they're dead but they should've been punished. Maybe I'm a little sadistic here but I'm sure atleast a couple people will understand.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22432999]Then why does it work for Norway so well[/QUOTE]
Norway supports their lower class a lot better than most democracies do, which is part of the reason crime rates are so low. I'm sure a good rehabilitation program is a huge part of it, however.
[QUOTE=Pinut;22433016]I don't know, need more torture tbh. killing someone is basically letting them get away with it, no punishment what so ever, same with all the shooters where the killer ends up killing themselves. They basically get zero punishment, sure they're dead but they should've been punished. Maybe I'm a little sadistic here but I'm sure atleast a couple people will understand.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand the principle of retribution, do you?
[QUOTE=Pinut;22433016]I don't know, need more torture tbh. killing someone is basically letting them get away with it, no punishment what so ever, same with all the shooters where the killer ends up killing themselves. They basically get zero punishment, sure they're dead but they should've been punished. Maybe I'm a little sadistic here but I'm sure atleast a couple people will understand.[/QUOTE]
Yeah totally. Wait we're not in the medieval ages. Sorry, we're better then that now. Do explain to me how your idea works to benefit society in any fucking way what so ever?
[QUOTE=Pinut;22433016]I don't know, need more torture tbh. killing someone is basically letting them get away with it, no punishment what so ever, same with all the shooters where the killer ends up killing themselves. They basically get zero punishment, sure they're dead but they should've been punished. Maybe I'm a little sadistic here but I'm sure atleast a couple people will understand.[/QUOTE]
Sitting in a cell for your entire life is more torture than most people would want
What do you guys think of people who are pedophiles and are looked at worse than murderers.
I mean you can even find a map of were they live.
They have some weird sexuality and have no self control, sure they are freaks but why are they looked at worse than murderers who kill people.
I want to see a map were murderers who are out of jail live.
Who else would feel better knowing were killers live?
More on topic, I am against the death penalty, why should we non murderers kill people, they should stay in jail for life.
But I am also for rehabilitation of people too.
[QUOTE=rathat48;22433301]What do you guys think of people who are pedophiles and are looked at worse than murderers.
I mean you can even find a map of were they live.
They have some weird sexuality and have no self control, sure they are freaks but why are they looked at worse than murderers who kill people.
I want to see a map were murderers who are out of jail live.
Who else would feel better knowing were killers live?[/QUOTE]
Chances are, if they killed someone and are living near me, it was probably an act of rage or something like vehicular manslaughter. I really could care less if they live near me.
[QUOTE=rathat48;22433301]What do you guys think of people who are pedophiles and are looked at worse than murderers.
I mean you can even find a map of were they live.
They have some weird sexuality and [b]have no self control[/b], sure they are freaks but why are they looked at worse than murderers who kill people.
I want to see a map were murderers who are out of jail live.
Who else would feel better knowing were killers live?
More on topic, I am against the death penalty, why should we non murderers kill people, they should stay in jail for life.
But I am also for rehabilitation of people too.[/QUOTE]
I think it's quite clear that they do have self control, especially since most of them haven't gone out and raped children.
[QUOTE=rathat48;22433301]What do you guys think of people who are pedophiles and are looked at worse than murderers.
I mean you can even find a map of were they live.
They have some weird sexuality and have no self control, sure they are freaks but why are they looked at worse than murderers who kill people.
I want to see a map were murderers who are out of jail live.
Who else would feel better knowing were killers live?
More on topic, I am against the death penalty, why should we non murderers kill people, they should stay in jail for life.
But I am also for rehabilitation of people too.[/QUOTE]
There are definitely sites dedicated to murderers
Life in prison sounds alot worse than the death penalty.
[QUOTE=hehe;22433503]Life in prison sounds alot worse than the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
Okay but how punishing a penalty is, is completely irrelevant to anything to do with improving society. Obviously the deterrent system doesn't work, and when people get out of jail they just get a personal bragging rights card. Norway system is best system.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;22433567]Okay but how punishing a penalty is, is completely irrelevant to anything to do with improving society. Obviously the deterrent system doesn't work, and when people get out of jail they just get a personal bragging rights card. Norway system is best system.[/QUOTE]
This. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone say they were "real" and "cold blooded" because they spent time in prison, I'd be fuckin' rich.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying.
But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE]
If the original killer was killed then they wouldn't be able to be killed.
What if someone is convicted wrongly?
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[QUOTE=Pinut;22433016]I don't know, need more torture tbh. killing someone is basically letting them get away with it, no punishment what so ever, same with all the shooters where the killer ends up killing themselves. They basically get zero punishment, sure they're dead but they should've been punished. Maybe I'm a little sadistic here but I'm sure atleast a couple people will understand.[/QUOTE]
Hezzy, usertitle some of that please.
I reckon instead of the death penalty, they should just keep all the [b]really[/b] bad criminals in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives.
Also OP watch the movie "The Life Of David Gale" Very informative.
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I, as others, believe it depends on the severity of the crime. I don't think we should let the particularly dangerous get away with a time out, yet kill a guy over swiping a pack of gum.
Death makes my genitals shrivel and my bowels explode into a thousand pieces! Thanks a lot facepunch, I have to change my trousers now!
As an intellectual and civilized human being, there is no real excuse to sink to such low and barbaric levels as to execute people. If you kill someone, then you're just as bad as they are. So if you can't afford to be civilized and put abit more extra effort into those standards, then you're just as bad as they are.
"Killing them is easier." Is just bullshit. No human being should ever be allowed to decide other people's permission to exsist, and if doing so, they should be locked away, not have their own life taken away. Every human being only has limited time on this planet, everyone has one life, and even if you've done something so horrible as to take the life of someone else, it's still not an excuse to have it taken, because it's just that precious. Beat them to a pulp if you will, throw them in jail, take away their freedom, but nobody should ever be having their life taken away by an intellectual authority.
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Ever!
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