[QUOTE=Vinze;22435262]As an intellectual and civilized human being, there is no real excuse to sink to such low and barbaric levels as to execute people. If you kill someone, then you're just as bad as they are. So if you can't afford to be civilized and put abit more extra effort into those standards, then you're just as bad as they are.
"Killing them is easier." Is just bullshit. No human being should ever be allowed to decide other people's permission to exsist, and if doing so, they should be locked away, not have their own life taken away. Every human being only has limited time on this planet, everyone has one life, and even if you've done something so horrible as to take the life of someone else, it's still not an excuse to have it taken, because it's just that precious. Beat them to a pulp if you will, throw them in jail, take away their freedom, but nobody should ever be having their life taken away by an intellectual authority.
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Ever![/QUOTE]
Exactly. Glorified honor killings are all state sanctioned executions are and will ever be.
I think it should only be applied for the very worst, like Junko Furuta's murderers.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;22427403]no, the executioner kills them, which makes them a killer, which according to the very same people that support the death penalty, is a bad thing (and they should be executed for it)[/QUOTE]
So? Just make that an exception.
They're only following the will of the state.
I think that when the criminal is being tried, instead of a jury or judge, there should just be a raffle box where they shake it up and pick random punishments. The best punishment would be going to prison. The worst would be sending the person to the North Pole with very little clothing.
This way people will be like, "You heard about that new system they have" and no one will commit crimes because of it.
Obviously being serious
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I think the people who do the really terrible stuff (you know, terrorists and child molesters and shit)
Deserve a lifetime sentence.
But it's just easier to kill them, the death sentence.
Keeping people in jail alive and [B]in[/B] the jail (guards, cells, locks, the whole prison etc.) takes a lot of money.
I believe in death by either firing squad or electrocution in the case of a crime where you killed multiple people and there is irrefutable evidence that you did it. Than for other crimes you should be worked like a dog, you don't go to prison and sit around, you get taken with a bunch of your prisoner buddies and get sent to work hard without pay.
Life in prison is better in my opinion because they have to sit and dwell on their fuck up for 25 years.
I like the death penalty because it actually reduces the taxes we pay since we're not paying for their food/housing/supervision in jails. Plus if it is someone who is influential with a harmful group is ever released, it could be disastrous for the nation withholding them. Even though in someways it is inhumane and ironic to murder someone who is in jail for probably doing the same thing.
I have a better idea than locking convicted felons up and throwing away the key.
Cut off major state prision funding in all 50 states (I'm going to use America for this example because we have the most populated prisons in the world, and I don't know forgeign contry statistics). Build a large high-tech facility on some island off the coast of Florida easern shore. Start sending convicts from high and low security prisons to the island, put NASA in charge of the entire building operation. The idea is the use the criminals as slaves, to help build or construct a means of making a moon base possible. Once they serve their time, they are free to go, but new convicts will constantly be coming in. Divert all the previous tax money being used on the prisons/inmates to this operation.
Think about it: our prisons are at the brimming point already, and more money is being spent to build even more prisons. I'd rather my money go to scientific advancement and hard work than some violent dumbass sitting on his ass 9 hours a day. Once the moon base is constructed, we can send the criminals up there and have them work to expand.
Do you want to pay to keep murderers alive while they get free food in prison?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];22440627']Do you want to pay to keep murderers alive while they get free food in prison?[/QUOTE]
stop talking, you have no idea what you're talking about
Since when has death been "humane." I just say keep it. Keeps the prison system's population down.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying.
But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE]
This is a good point. Why did all the retards on the forum give it 38 dumb ratings?
[QUOTE=Evilan;22440271]I like the death penalty because it actually reduces the taxes we pay since we're not paying for their food/housing/supervision in jails. Plus if it is someone who is influential with a harmful group is ever released, it could be disastrous for the nation withholding them. Even though in someways it is inhumane and ironic to murder someone who is in jail for probably doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Jesus fucking christ, read the thread.
The death penalty is more expensive to YOU the taxpayer than life in jail is. I'm not posting any proof because it's been shown a hundred times already in this thread.
[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22440342]I have a better idea than locking convicted felons up and throwing away the key.
Cut off major state prision funding in all 50 states (I'm going to use America for this example because we have the most populated prisons in the world, and I don't know forgeign contry statistics). Build a large high-tech facility on some island off the coast of Florida easern shore. Start sending convicts from high and low security prisons to the island, put NASA in charge of the entire building operation. The idea is the use the criminals as slaves, to help build or construct a means of making a moon base possible. Once they serve their time, they are free to go, but new convicts will constantly be coming in. Divert all the previous tax money being used on the prisons/inmates to this operation.
Think about it: our prisons are at the brimming point already, and more money is being spent to build even more prisons. I'd rather my money go to scientific advancement and hard work than some violent dumbass sitting on his ass 9 hours a day. Once the moon base is constructed, we can send the criminals up there and have them work to expand.[/QUOTE]
I doubt the makority of criminals are good workers, most of them probably turned to petty crime because they didn't want to work or earn money normally. Would you want something as important as a moon base made by people who don't give a shit and aren't motivated by pay or a dream of seeing it work?
[QUOTE=liltourette;22415001]Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.[/QUOTE]
Should I go with a RDR joke or an oblivion joke. Hmm....
RDR
Or you could just find a pardon letter and send it to the judge, or kill and skin animals and wire the money.
On-topic: It's inhumane and terrible, plus spending more time in prison teaches you not to do it again. If it's a life sentence then too bad, shouldn't have fucked up.
I think punishments should be more harsh, it's terrible what some people get off with.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;22440963]Since when has death been "humane." I just say keep it. Keeps the prison system's population down.[/QUOTE]
if you want to actually reduce the prison population you maybe should try not incarcerating people for harmless crimes like possession of marijuana
It costs more for us (in taxes) to have someone executed than to keep them in jail (so I was told by my teacher) <-- Is that true?
[QUOTE=Silverthing;22442164]It costs more for us (in taxes) to have someone executed than to keep them in jail (so I was told by my teacher) <-- Is that true?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
[QUOTE=Silverthing;22442164]It costs more for us (in taxes) to have someone executed than to keep them in jail (so I was told by my teacher) <-- Is that true?[/QUOTE]
yes
Instead of death penalty there should be a prison without games and shit. At a prison (for pedophiles and rapists) near my school they have ps3, xbox 360 and better food than we get for lunch.
[QUOTE=Silverthing;22442164]It costs more for us (in taxes) to have someone executed than to keep them in jail (so I was told by my teacher) <-- Is that true?[/QUOTE]
Of course keeping someone in prison costs more.
One deadly injection: $50.
50 years in prison: $50 every day
But still keeping someone for a long period in prison is much better than just killing them. Death penalty has been shown to be no more effective than keeping someone in prison for 50 years.
But keeping someone in prison is a more ultimate punishment compared to a fast death.
[QUOTE=aVoN;22442513]Of course keeping someone in prison costs more.
One deadly injection: $50.
50 years in prison: $50 every day
But still keeping someone for a long period in prison is much better than just killing them. Death penalty has been shown to be no more effective than keeping someone in prison for 50 years.
But keeping someone in prison is a more ultimate punishment compared to a fast death.[/QUOTE]
once again, the cost of an execution is not the method
also you made both of those numbers up
In the words of Ron White: In Texas, if you kill someone, we kill you back.
[QUOTE=aVoN;22442513]Of course keeping someone in prison costs more.
One deadly injection: $50.
50 years in prison: $50 every day
But still keeping someone for a long period in prison is much better than just killing them. Death penalty has been shown to be no more effective than keeping someone in prison for 50 years.
But keeping someone in prison is a more ultimate punishment compared to a fast death.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't sure myself so I googled it.
[quote]new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 forecasted that the lifetime expenses of capitally-prosecuted cases since 1978 will cost Maryland taxpayers $186 million. That translates into at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since the state reenacted the death penalty. The study estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. (This includes investigation, trial, appeals, and incarceration costs.) The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that those cases will cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not existed as a punishment. At every phase of a case, according to the study, capital murder cases cost more than non-capital murder cases.
Of the 162 capital cases, there werer 106 cases in which a death sentence was sought but not handed down in Maryland. Those cases cost the state an additional $71 million compared to the cost non-death penalty cases. Those costs were incurred simply to seek the death penalty where the ultimate outcome was a life or long-term prison sentence.
(“Death penalty costs Md. more than life term,” by Jennifer McMenamin, The Baltimore Sun, March 6, 2008). [URL="http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/CostsDPMaryland.pdf"]Read the entire study here.[/URL][/quote]
That clears that up nicely.
Also, what if you're wrong?
"Oops, sorry family and friends of the innocent, better luck next time!"
[QUOTE=Lazy Cake;22442571]In the words of Ron White: In Texas, if you kill someone, we kill you back.[/QUOTE]
But then only one man would be living in texas.
I find it hilarious and sad how all the people that I've seen in this thread who support the death penalty don't have a clue about what they're talking about. The only reason why the death penalty isn't entirely abolished is probably because of misinformed twats like you.
And I'll quote this once again for everybody that goes "hurr it costs less to kill them then keep them in jail for life", even though that argument is entirely invalid to begin with(from a moral standpoint, at least).
[quote=http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty]The death penalty in the U.S. is an enormously expensive and wasteful program with no clear benefits. All of the studies on the cost of capital punishment conclude it is much more expensive than a system with life sentences as the maximum penalty. In a time of painful budget cutbacks, states are pouring money into a system that results in a declining number of death sentences and executions that are almost exclusively carried out in just one area of the country. As many states face further deficits, it is an appropriate time to consider whether maintaining the costly death penalty system is being smart on crime.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Ragy;22432867]
This is pointless arguing with you idiots, bye.[/QUOTE]
Took you long enough, with being proven wrong time and time again 'n all.
Some people really do deserve to die. I wouldn't allow "an eye for an eye" policy though. People do make some mistakes.
I wonder how the process can cost hundreds of thousands dollars in the western countries.
I personally think its better to lock them up into a cell for the rest of their lifes instead of killing them
i say all criminals should get a faceful of schlong for life
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