Should death penalty be abolished - General

FYI execution is usually more expensive then incarceration. And there have been several cases where people on death row are later exonerated; sometimes it happens too late and innocent men are killed. As William Blackstone said, "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer."

[QUOTE=aVoN;22442513]Of course keeping someone in prison costs more. One deadly injection: $50. 50 years in prison: $50 every day [/QUOTE] um no it's been posted 45 times (I pulled that number out of my ass just like you did) that it costs more to kill them than to keep them in prison really are you people just blocking that fact out like your brain filters it out really

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;22437360]I believe in death by either firing squad or electrocution in the case of a crime where you killed multiple people and there is irrefutable evidence that you did it. Than for other crimes you should be worked like a dog, you don't go to prison and sit around, you get taken with a bunch of your prisoner buddies and get sent to work hard without pay.[/QUOTE] not like an eye for an eye is useless or anything... [editline]06:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=aVoN;22442513]Of course keeping someone in prison costs more. One deadly injection: $50. 50 years in prison: $50 every day But still keeping someone for a long period in prison is much better than just killing them. Death penalty has been shown to be no more effective than keeping someone in prison for 50 years. But keeping someone in prison is a more ultimate punishment compared to a fast death.[/QUOTE] i can pull statistics out of my ass toooooo how many dumb posts has aVoN posted? 503

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness[/url] important emphasis on [b]Life[/b]. I don't believe in giving my government ability to kill AND get away with it, consent or not. And you advocates are so pro-pirate and go 'DURRR RIAA FILTERING MY GAMES'.

All crimes should be paid for in kind.

What I still don't get is this: where are all of these millions of dollars per execution going to? Making sure everything is setup for lethal injection? I say fuck that: we are being too kind to criminals as it is, to the point where going to prison for a small crime is no big deal to those that are supposed to be being punished. I saw a special on the news where it was reported in a certain US state, the prisons had better facilities and food than the local schools. That's fucking absurd anyway you look at it. Stop spending all the unneccessary cash on these low-lifes: for their execution, take them out back and shoot them with a pistol in the head; twice if need be. What will that cost, $3 + paying someone to dispose of the body? I don't know how much bullets cost, but they can't be millions of dollars. Fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22468389]What I still don't get is this: where are all of these millions of dollars per execution going to? Making sure everything is setup for lethal injection? I say fuck that: we are being too kind to criminals as it is, to the point where going to prison for a small crime is no big deal to those that are supposed to be being punished. I saw a special on the news where it was reported in a certain US state, the prisons had better facilities and food than the local schools. That's fucking absurd anyway you look at it. Stop spending all the unneccessary cash on these low-lifes: for their execution, take them out back and shoot them with a pistol in the head; twice if need be. What will that cost, $3 + paying someone to dispose of the body? I don't know how much bullets cost, but they can't be millions of dollars. Fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] Mass Shoot them like dogs, just like our friends of the third Reich. lol, I guarantee you, if your opinions ran society, we'd be fucked. [img]http://izismile.com/img/img2/20090728/hitler_06.gif[/img] [editline]12:52AM[/editline] Murdering murderers... OK, thank you pipboy

Hold on a second, we got out of school last week, and you are doing an essay? [editline]07:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=johanz;22442634]But then only one man would be living in Texas.[/QUOTE] And that would be me. :clint: But seriously, you need to stop Stereotyping on your Stereokeybord.

man, what the fuck ever happened to the firing squads? why would a state spend $3,000,000 per execution (florida) for some hi-tech poison, and not just shoot the bastard in the head? bullets are cheap (i bet you could go by a big pack of 9 mils with the money in your pocket. And I bet there are a plethora of people that would fire the weapon as well.

Umm how is this debatable? Why would you let people like Jeffrey Dauhmer and rapists live?

[QUOTE=italics560;22478194]man, what the fuck ever happened to the firing squads? why would a state spend $3,000,000 per execution (florida) for some hi-tech poison, and not just shoot the bastard in the head? bullets are cheap (i bet you could go by a big pack of 9 mils with the money in your pocket. And I bet there are a plethora of people that would fire the weapon as well.[/QUOTE] yeah lets just kill people, that's cool... i mean, it's not like there's a lot of paper work for executions or anything [editline]04:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Predat0r;22478649]Umm how is this debatable? Why would you let people like Jeffrey Dauhmer and rapists live?[/QUOTE] yes

[QUOTE=Predat0r;22478649]Umm how is this debatable? Why would you let people like Jeffrey Dauhmer and rapists live?[/QUOTE] Because I, like every other human being on the planet, do not have the right to choose who lives and who dies

[QUOTE=Miigga;22415177]I'm glad there is no death penalty here in Finland. It's even ruled in the Finnish constitution that it's illegal here. I find death penalty inhumane and I would feel uneasy about giving any institution the right to legally murder people. (sure, you could remind me about the army and stuff but whatever) For instance if someone killed a bunch of people, killing him as a punishment would be rather hypocritical, would it not? Killers are people too, not some embodiments of pure evil. Don't get me wrong, they're dicks, lock them up for a long, long time, but killing them is a bit extreme. [B]Also, with death penalty, an innocent person will most likely eventually be executed for something he did not do.[/B] I find it kind of disgusting when people say "we should have death penalty because it's cheaper". These are human lives that we're talking about, it's just a bit too cynical to start talking about the monetary costs of something. I'd much rather pay more in taxes to keep someone behind bars than pay a bit less to kill him. Prepare your dumbs and disagrees[/QUOTE] As opposed to being locked up in a prison for life for something he didn't do...? Not agreeing with the people for the death penalty. Just thought I should say that.

[QUOTE=Faren;22479425]As opposed to being locked up in a prison for life for something he didn't do...? Not agreeing with the people for the death penalty. Just thought I should say that.[/QUOTE] If new evidence is uncovered while he's serving, he can actually still go free. it's happened a LOT of times

No, it shouldn't. It's quite simple, you take a life, you don't deserve to live.

[QUOTE=aydin690;22479512]No, it shouldn't. It's quite simple, you take a life, you don't deserve to live.[/QUOTE] Boy that makes sense! lol, your post is LITERALLY a paradox

[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22442187]Nope.[/QUOTE] It's mainly to do with the trial process as anyone found guilty and sentenced to death is able to appeal and personally I don't think the US should change that. If someone is about to die you better make damn sure they're the right guy.

If we remove the death sentence, I demand that we send all people who were supposed to be killed/in prison for life, and have them work in labor camps. Not the type like the Russians had in the middle of Siberia, just enough that their work would pay the cost of keeping them alive. Give them some super low end job, like separating recycling from trash or something. Or a tedious job that no-one wants to do, like putting 2 things together that slide by on a conveyor belt.

[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22468389]What I still don't get is this: where are all of these millions of dollars per execution going to? Making sure everything is setup for lethal injection? I say fuck that: we are being too kind to criminals as it is, to the point where going to prison for a small crime is no big deal to those that are supposed to be being punished. I saw a special on the news where it was reported in a certain US state, the prisons had better facilities and food than the local schools. That's fucking absurd anyway you look at it. Stop spending all the unneccessary cash on these low-lifes: for their execution, take them out back and shoot them with a pistol in the head; twice if need be. What will that cost, $3 + paying someone to dispose of the body? I don't know how much bullets cost, but they can't be millions of dollars. Fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] You are a monster. I'm glad you're not in charge of anything.

It really is wrong though, that the process of killing somebody is more expensive than keeping them alive. Perhaps it's that way as an incentive for the judge to let them live? If not, I don't see what's so expensive about it... Firing squad, bury them.

i say just use firing squads to take out prisoners its cheaper than leaving them in prison.

you people need to research, executing people isn't expensive JUST because of the act of killing them. there's more to it ffs [editline]05:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=FunnyBunny;22480290]If we remove the death sentence, I demand that we send all people who were supposed to be killed/in prison for life, and have them work in labor camps. Not the type like the Russians had in the middle of Siberia, just enough that their work would pay the cost of keeping them alive. Give them some super low end job, like separating recycling from trash or something. Or a tedious job that no-one wants to do, like putting 2 things together that slide by on a conveyor belt.[/QUOTE] jesus, you people are crazy

[QUOTE=victormeriqui_1;22414722]No way, There's people who rape and then kill 6 year old children. They deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Or at least test new products on.

Jail is stupid. It's a waste of money. Hell, for some criminals, it's even [i]desired[/i]. For example: You and a bunch of your criminal friends are homeless. You have no food, nowhere to sleep, and no money. Nobody talks to you or pays any attention to you. You and your criminal friends go murder a bunch of people. Your punishment? You're given a bed, meals every day, and a bunch of other criminals to talk and socialize with. Gee, that must suck.

I don't think its wrong. I just think its mostly a joke in the states. People will be on death row for their entire lives in states that don't actually execute. Its pointless to sentence them to death penalty when there isn't one anyway.

[QUOTE=Fecal Face;22480629]Jail is stupid. It's a waste of money. Hell, for some criminals, it's even [I]desired[/I]. For example: You and a bunch of your criminal friends are homeless. You have no food, nowhere to sleep, and no money. Nobody talks to you or pays any attention to you. You and your criminal friends go murder a bunch of people. Your punishment? You're given a bed, meals every day, and a bunch of other criminals to talk and socialize with. Gee, that must suck.[/QUOTE] I really doubt they would do something as harsh as murdering someone. Most would simply rob a store, if they get away, good for them, if they get caught, great. [editline]10:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;22480496] jesus, you people are crazy[/QUOTE] It's crazy to want them to pay for the costs of keeping them alive? Instead of having hard working civilians pay for keeping criminals in prisons, doing nothing useful? Having them pay for their own survival is perfectly acceptable. Consider the options: 1. You get executed. 2. You get to spend the rest of your days alive, in jail, but you have to work off the cost of the food and services provided to you.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;22480849]It's crazy to want them to pay for the costs of keeping them alive? Instead of having hard working civilians pay for keeping criminals in prisons, doing nothing useful? Having them pay for their own survival is perfectly acceptable. Consider the options: 1. You get executed. 2. You get to spend the rest of your days alive, in jail, but you have to work off the cost of the food and services provided to you.[/QUOTE] They already paid for their prison stay beforehand, it's called taxes

The death penalty is established for one main reason. People go to jail on a first offense for say 20 years. They get out of jail and what do they do, they go kill someone. Keeping someone in prison does nothing but get them bored and angry. When they build up that anger in prison they release it once they are out thinking that they will never get caught again. The death sentence was created because most people feel like letting someone die is wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is just sick and twisted and therefore deserve to die. That is the typical train of thought. This train of thought is the main stream and for once it's actually right. Not only should the death sentence be continued it should be increased for anyone committing 1st degree murder. Of course there will always be exceptions to this as there are with every law. I truth it is all a matter of opinion, just like the rest of politics and there is no right and wrong answer because it all depends on your religious and social upbringings.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22480894]They already paid for their prison stay beforehand, it's called taxes[/QUOTE] Yeah, if a 17 year old gang member goes out and kills 2 people, then gets sent to jail, he already payed for his stay, huh? It actually astonishes me how you guys think it's acceptable for criminals that get a life sentence to sit idle in prison, receiving free accommodations that most civilians have to pay dearly for. Free food is undeniable, it would be simply inhumane keeping people locked up without food or water. But when it comes to other things, like health care, etc, I believe criminals need to work to receive them.

[QUOTE=Warhol;22480074]Boy that makes sense! lol, your post is LITERALLY a paradox[/QUOTE] How so? Care to elaborate?