[QUOTE=LordLoss;22494487]Possibly been posted before, but about cost issues - I don't see why they bother with costly lethal injections when an volley from the firing squad is just as effective, and much, much cheaper. You could just rig up the firearms to some sort of machine to fire them to get rid of the guilt of the shooters. Pressing a button to execute them would place no more psychological stress on the person doing it than giving an injection would, maybe even less.[/QUOTE]
The cost of the actual execution isn't the issue, it's the cost of all the court cases necessary.
[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22485795]I don't understand why some of you, *cough*Zeke129 Warhol*cough*, think that there is some magic unwritten code of ethics that humanity follows when it comes to right vs. wrong. Do you believe a mentally insane serial killer is going to have mercy on you if you find yourself in a corner with a knife at your throat, because killing is "wrong"? That's an extreme example, but it happens. This "We are not free to choose who lives or dies, it is not our right" argument is just naive and inane. These supposed killers wouldn't hesitate to break your neck to get out of prison. Do you see what I'm getting at?[/QUOTE]
Those criminals as you said aren't in the right state of mind, they're mentally insane as you put it, we shouldn't treat them the same as if they're totally normal because they don't and can't think the same as normal people. Should they be punished for something which was probably forced onto them by enviroment and upbringing?
I'm not saying don't punish them I'm saying we shouldn't kill them because they're not well, they don't have the same thought process so shouldn't be subject to the same fate they caused.
I don't want to have a world where I can wake up and find I've managed to kill someone with no recollection of it then be sentanced to the same fate because of something I didn't have full control over.
Completely against it. I don't come from a country full of savages. Killing someone as a punishment makes us just as bad as them, in my opinion. Life imprisonment is a far worse punishment than an execution as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention mistakes can be made. Innocent people do get charged with crimes they didn't commit.
[QUOTE=Warhol;22490033]Morgan spurlock did this segment where he stayed in prison and stayed with prisoners for 30 days. as well as Michael Moore in his Sicko documentary, went to a Norwegian island prison and spoke to some inmates. it was almost universal: being contained in a prison for a long time is dreadful. Free food or not. (food wasn't very good by the way)
and this also brings me another point, you're obviously young: because if you were older, you would probably be fucking disgusted with the idea of being in one place your ENTIRE life. Or 20 years. Or even a year for that matter.
let me propose a scenario: you have some sort of disease where you have to be contained in a hospital for the rest of your life or a very long time to be more realistic. I mean, free Television, food, cards, entertainment once in a while, free healthcare etc. Right, now make the care in that hospital pretty shitty. Does it REALLY sound that good when you compare it to having to spend your life in that hospital?
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What does this have anything to do with the cost of keeping, and caring for inmates, all payed for by the general taxpaying public?
[QUOTE=Ragy;22417381]Agree. The death penalty would be applied to attempted murder also if it was up to me.
More harsh penalty's for every criminal law = less crimes committed.[/QUOTE]
Well... at least you didn't say less harsh punishment..
Death penatly ([highlight]ON CERTAIN CRIMINALS[/highlight]) is good, cause it won't clog up the cells in the jails.
[QUOTE=ZapDing;22414718]I actually want it back in GB.
somebody steals £5000 from a store - 15 years
Somebody kills 3 people in under a week, gets probation in 7 years and freed later on.[/QUOTE]
Well said.. But i watch the green mile and it brainwashes me lol
[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22485795]I don't understand why some of you, *cough*Zeke129 Warhol*cough*, think that there is some magic unwritten code of ethics that humanity follows when it comes to right vs. wrong.[/QUOTE]
That's the fucking opposite of what I think. Don't namedrop if you're just babbling out of your ass. My POV is that all morality is subjective so trying to justify the death penalty is fruitless. Instead of looking at the morality of the action we should be looking at the consequences of the action. And one of the consequences is that innocent men have been put to death.
One innocent man being wrongly executed is an unacceptable level of collateral damage, and that number has been greatly exceeded. Abolish it. You're supposed to be a civilized first-world country, America. Act like one.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;22497159]Death penatly ([highlight]ON CERTAIN CRIMINALS[/highlight]) is good, cause it won't clog up the cells in the jails.[/QUOTE]
if you think people deserving the death penalty are even close to begin the reason our jails are "clogged", think again
ignoring the fact that i find that reasoning just about as humane as keeping the death penalty because it's "cheaper"
Sorting those worthy of the death penalty from those not worthy is such an arduous task that it would simply be cheaper and more efficient to do away with the nonsense.
Of course that won't happen because this country is full of vengeful fucks who masturbate to their shotguns and bibles.
Canada hasnt had death penalty since about 1974 things dont seem so bad.
The death penalty actually costs more than jail time.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;22499378]Canada hasnt had death penalty since about 1974 things dont seem so bad.
The death penalty actually costs more than jail time.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg]Look at some of the shitholes that America is the same colour as.[/url]
Shame on America and Japan. It's kind of expected from the rest of those.
[QUOTE=Enishi;22414783]both outcomes are pretty much undesirable.
permanent incarceration is expensive for an inmate who still has a lot of years to go until he dies. taxpayers complain that they're paying for these inmates to live comfortable lives in prison, that they're getting a free ride, etc.
executions have been argued to be the easy way out for them and they don't actually feel any guilt for the crimes they've committed. there have also been cases of botched executions, painful deaths, and it costs a huge amount of money in some states. i remember reading that florida spent nearly $3,000,000 USD for each execution in 2009.[/QUOTE]
For just a few needles and a last meal? God, what was he eating? Platinum encrusted pizza?
[QUOTE=implaying8;22501041]For just a few needles and a last meal? God, what was he eating? Platinum encrusted pizza?[/QUOTE]
It's called the legal system my boy. It's this marvelous new concept in which we try to weed out the innocent from the guilty! Unfortunately it has drawbacks, such as us having to pay for it.
[QUOTE=Muse06;22491088]I am just saying that people who choose to murder someone should pay the price for it whether it means lethal injection or the chair.[/QUOTE]
because it's that simple, right?
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[QUOTE=Cheese123;22493215]Person kills 20 people. Goes to jail and kills others.
No death penalty.[/QUOTE]
English, please...
i would rather be pushing flowers
than in the pen taking group showers.
so i'd rather be dead than in a room full of men and slippery soap.
actually i'll take the men :q:
[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22494598]Ok, Warhol. Since you think your excuse of a post is a legitimate argument against my "nonexistant points," I'll return to you in kind (Note: you did not make one rebuttle in your entire post; it consisted of misinformed insults and one-liners. FYI, I'm 19...and you're 20. I guess maturity is all in the mind, hmm?) Moving on:[/quote]
nah, nah, nah, no point.
[quote][B]"[/B]Ethics (also known as moral philosophy) is a branch of philosophy which seeks to address questions about morality; that is, about concepts such as good and bad, right and wrong, justice, and virtue."
- Wikipedia entry on ethics[/quote]
the gold standard in philosophy: wikipedia
[quote]Gee, that sounds a lot like what we're discussing here. Is it morally right to kill a person? Is it morally wrong to kill a person? Death penalty vs life sentence. If you don't undertand the relation here, then I pity you.[/quote]
just to inform you, death is a part of the death sentence... you may want to put two and two together there, genius.
[quote]I didn't say you were working as a guard at a prison facility. But those people have to live and put up with the degenerates that get sent there. That's not an easy job, especially when there's thousands upon thousands of them. If you're imprisoning these people and giving them life sentences, then it certainly has something to do with it.[/quote]
A prison guard has to put up with prisoners? EGADS, fucking pipboy is the next Hammurabi. Now, uh, what do prison guards have to do with this?
[quote]The people that have the mental issues are the ones responsible for the serial killings, or what have you; they are the ones being put on death row, or plead isanity. I don't know about you, but normal people I know don't go out to rape and kill because the voices in their heads are telling them to.[/quote]
Ok, you're making observations, lets see you make a point.
Hahahaha. Because I'm being logical I'm a psychopath. Here's the deal: people that get put on death row are not the kind of people you want out functioning in everyday society. Why waste the time and money sending them to jail for the rest of their meaningless lives when you can kill them right then and there and not have to worry about them again? And yeah, innocent people get put to death, and that won't change. Our legal system is in no way perfect. But I don't remember anyone ever telling me life is fair.
[quote]The irony hurts. Can anyone tell me what this guy is trying to say?[/quote]
pipboy you make long posts, 50% obvious observations, 40% nonsensical points and 10% talking about how people deserve to die. and you go after me lol
[quote]My obvious point[/quote]
you and obvious are not words that go together
[quote]was that when you choose to give someone a life sentence instead of execution, you are "saving their life." They will die of old age in a jail cell (or more likely, be killed by another violent inmate).[/quote]
yes people who are executed die and those who don't, live. Thanks for the observation.
[quote] The people on death row are fucking husks of people.[/quote]
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty[/url] all husks of people.
[quote] Why show that mercy?[/quote]
cuz, they, are, you know, humans?
[quote]You can't imagine what it feels like to have someone very close to you have their life taken.[/quote]
yeah i can, kind of happened.
[quote] You want the worst thing imaginable to happen to the person responsible, and sitting in a jail cell for life is nowhere close to the punishment. [/quote]
This is a picture of a prison
[img]http://yourdreamjournal.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/alcatraz-prison-picture3.jpg[/img]
this is the most information on a prisoners life you have. you know what, fuck the rest of your points, just shut up and watch this:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Days_%28TV_series%29#Second_season[/url]
The episode: Jail
and this
[quote][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA[/url][/quote]
towards the end
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[QUOTE=tomoom165;22502081]i would rather be pushing flowers
than in the pen taking group showers.
so i'd rather be dead than in a room full of men and slippery soap.
actually i'll take the men :q:[/QUOTE]
i'll take the guys, prison or not <_<
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[QUOTE=PiPBoyV3;22494598]It's very, very obvious you are misinformed on this subject. I suggest you watch the specials on Discovery channel when they're on, read wikipedia, discuss with other people knowledgeable on the subject, etc. [/QUOTE]
lol
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[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;22495810]What does this have anything to do with the cost of keeping, and caring for inmates, all payed for by the general taxpaying public?[/QUOTE]
you think prison is fucking great.
[QUOTE=victormeriqui_1;22414722]No way, There's people who rape and then kill 6 year old children. They deserve to die.[/QUOTE]
this man
[QUOTE=Ragy;22417381]Agree. The death penalty would be applied to attempted murder also if it was up to me.
More harsh penalty's for every criminal law = less crimes committed.[/QUOTE]
No it won't. When most people commit murder, they don't think of the consequences. It's more of a spur of the moment thing. If you make the consequences harsher it will only lead to people doing anything they can to get away, meaning more police and innocents killed as they try to escape.
A justice system based on retribution never works. Rehabilitation is the only way. People do not CHOOSE to turn to petty crime, they are often forced into it because of circumstances they can't control.
The reason there are so many repeat offenders is because when you go to jail it basically fucks up any chance of you getting a normal job when you get out. So now you're poor, no way of making money, what do you do? Resort to crime again!
Serial killers and serial rapists shouldn't have death sentences or life sentences because these people have legitimate mental diseases. Therefore they should be treated then reintroduced as working members of society.
No life sentences or death sentences. Rehabilitation not retribution.
I think it should be allowed, atleast if you kill someone else.
[QUOTE=Chekko;22505945]I think it should be allowed, atleast if you kill someone else.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck will it accomplish? Who the fuck are you to decide who lives and who dies?
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[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;22505332]No it won't. When most people commit murder, they don't think of the consequences. It's more of a spur of the moment thing. If you make the consequences harsher it will only lead to people doing anything they can to get away, meaning more police and innocents killed as they try to escape.[/QUOTE]
May I add, States with the death penalty: highest crime rates
States without: lowest
EX: with and highest in the US - South Carolina / without and the lowest in the US - Vermont.
countries WITHOUT the death penalty: Norway - lowest crime rates in the world.
Countries with - well... Somalia and I don't really need to point out the crime rates.
...
Nazism anyone?
I don't mind that the death penalty exists. In some cases, the convicted deserve a far greater punishment than that they inflicted upon their victims, who are usually innocent and unprovoking. Crimes like McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing would probably warrant a punishment far worse, though such a punishment couldn't exist.
Some people just don't deserve to keep on keeping on.
[QUOTE=Ohforf;22512183]I want death penalty.
First, it gets rid of all of the sick fucks who'd get free.
Second, it works as a scare for any dimwits thinking about smart ideas.Think about it, nobody sane would even concider doing anything stupid if there is a nice chair waiting for them if they get caught[/QUOTE]
to bad you're wrong
[QUOTE=Clark21;22512073]I don't think that someone who, for example, rapes little children and kills them deserves to live if i am honest. Yes, people do do things as sick as that.People can do even worse things than that. Maybe someone who has not done something as severe as that may be spared, but like i said, people who do things as sickening as that deserve to be killed.
Read this story,
[url]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Paedo-Pair-Guilty-Of-Killing-Woman-Who-Planned-To-Report-Boys-Abuse/Article/201006215647189?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15647189_Paedo_Pair_Guilty_Of_Killing_Woman_Who_Planned_To_Report_Boys_Abuse[/url]
Do you think they deserve to live? I don't. Some people will never change, they will re-offend again and again and they'll never learn. Some people, however, can change and reform themselfs and they will realise what they have done.
As for 'who am i to decide who lives and who dies', i stated my opinion,so did you. Read the title of the original post.[/QUOTE]
So we kill people who kill to teach people not to kill
am I the only one seeing how retarded that is?
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[QUOTE=Ohforf;22512183]I want death penalty.
First, it gets rid of all of the sick fucks who'd get free.
Second, it works as a scare for any dimwits thinking about smart ideas. Think about it, nobody sane would even concider doing anything stupid if there is a nice chair waiting for them if they get caught[/QUOTE]
i don't really think if you warrant the death penalty, you can get free
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and actually no, it doesn't do that ohforf lol
we've fucking been over this, the crime statistics prove that fucking point to be wrong.
[QUOTE=Warhol;22516071]So we kill people who kill to teach people not to kill
am I the only one seeing how retarded that is?
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i don't really think if you warrant the death penalty, you can get free
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and actually no, it doesn't do that ohforf lol
we've fucking been over this, the crime statistics prove that fucking point to be wrong.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you have to keep this entire thread propped up. So far I agree completely with all your points.
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