I'm against it. Not cost effective. You need loads of expensive safeguards to stop innocents getting the chop, you can't unexecute a man if the safeguards fail, it's more effective to spend money making sure that criminals are cought than on bloodcurdling punishment and last but not least, it tickles my revenge instinct more to have murderers and suchlike inprisoned for the rest of their lives, knowing that they will never be allowed out again. Nice futility.
[QUOTE=UserDirk580;22414927]I think we should abolish the death penalty.
Some people like myself aren't exactly comfortable with the state condemning people to death like that.
A better solution would be to increase the certainty that people will be punished. You have to remember that the death penalty is meant mostly for discouraging crime rather than punishment for the crime itself. But too many people get away with their crimes and that needs to be fixed.
Also make prison suck. There's one warden in Arizona who keeps his inmates out in the desert in tents with only necessities. He also uses chain gangs to pick up trash and do other tasks.[/QUOTE]
making prisons suck is more inhumane than just killing them all
[QUOTE=Egevened;22414942]the middle road is problematic here as the judge is not a stone cold uninfluencable entity but a person who will drool at the mention of money like anyone else[/QUOTE]
"[I]The biggest danger to modern society is not that machines will think like humans, but humans will think like machines[/I]"
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;22414953]I'm against it. Not cost effective. You need loads of expensive safeguards to stop innocents getting the chop, you can't unexecute a man if the safeguards fail, it's more effective to spend money making sure that criminals are cought than on bloodcurdling punishment and last but not least, it tickles my revenge instinct more to have murderers and suchlike inprisoned for the rest of their lives, knowing that they will never be allowed out again. Nice futility.[/QUOTE]
Professor Mordin Solus?
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22414961]"[I]The biggest danger to modern society is not that machines will think like humans, but humans will think like machines[/I]"[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure whether you intend to agree or disagree with me, but if the latter, then thinking as a machine would still result the same as money > morals for most people
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.
Unfortunately it is neccessary in LEDCs where the government cannor afford to keep so many people incarcerated. MEDCs should definately abolish it, however.
Some people are just so bad that they need to go.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22414961]"[I]The biggest danger to modern society is not that machines will think like humans, but humans will think like machines[/I]"[/QUOTE]
If everyone was controlled by logic and had emotion removed, crime would cease to exist.
Much like that film Equlibrium.
[QUOTE=SteelReal;22415025]Some people are just so bad that they need to go.[/QUOTE]
the problem is, who decides who is so bad?
This is 2010 not 1500.
[QUOTE=Egevened;22414957]making prisons suck is more inhumane than just killing them all[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting that we're talking about serial killers/rapists.
In my opinion, equal crime calls for equal punishment. I don't want people lowering the punishment's severity because it makes them feel better inside about themselves.
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[QUOTE=Egevened;22415041]the problem is, who decides who is so bad?[/QUOTE]
A jury.
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415062]You're forgetting that we're talking about serial killers/rapists.
In my opinion, equal crime calls for equal punishment. I don't want people lowering the punishment's severity because it makes them feel better inside about themselves.
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A jury.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that exactly why you want there to be "equal crime calls for equal punishment"? Because that would make you feel better?
Juries make mistakes.
[QUOTE=Egevened;22415041]the problem is, who decides who is so bad?[/QUOTE]
I think it was Karl Marx who said that all moral codes are defined by the religion which the Society is founded upon , thus what we concive as right and wrong are merely a collection of old texts which have no application in the real world.
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415062]
A jury.[/QUOTE]
Juries usually consist of people who have no idea how the law works, and decide decisions based on their emotions.
[QUOTE=Egevened;22414957]making prisons suck is more inhumane than just killing them all[/QUOTE]
I don't mean torture. Look at the tent city in Arizona. It's no more fun than a POW camp.
Juries are driven by emotion and personal opinion's.
Its like asking a child to tell you which lion king he likes more, many things will come into play such as race, background, finance, upbringing.
Juries are a flawed system but the only one we have until we can either eliminate crime, which is possible, or find a better method of judgement.
[QUOTE=redonkulous;22414767]I don't think it should continue as it is. It currently costs a lot of money to go through the whole death penalty process. It is cheaper to just lock them up forever. I do think they should redo the system so it stops costing so much. The process of them constantly appealing the case and dragging things on is a waste of time and money.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking retarded?
You do realise that it costs WAY MORE to keep someone in prison for life, than it does for a small injection???
I think if you kill someone with the intention to kill, as in you don't accidentally run someone over in a car, That you should be shot, and charge your family for the bullet.
[QUOTE=Edgeless;22415087]I think it was Karl Marx who said that all moral codes are defined by the religion which the Society is founded upon , thus what we concive as right and wrong are merely a collection of old texts which have no application in the real world.[/QUOTE]
you're pulling the religion card on this argument
"morals" is a collective term of ideals that are rational and not fucked up like most of the ides here, like trusting one judge to be able to determine the fate of a man, life or death
I'm glad there is no death penalty here in Finland. It's even ruled in the Finnish constitution that it's illegal here.
I find death penalty inhumane and I would feel uneasy about giving any institution the right to legally murder people. (sure, you could remind me about the army and stuff but whatever) For instance if someone killed a bunch of people, killing him as a punishment would be rather hypocritical, would it not? Killers are people too, not some embodiments of pure evil. Don't get me wrong, they're dicks, lock them up for a long, long time, but killing them is a bit extreme.
Also, with death penalty, an innocent person will most likely eventually be executed for something he did not do.
I find it kind of disgusting when people say "we should have death penalty because it's cheaper". These are human lives that we're talking about, it's just a bit too cynical to start talking about the monetary costs of something. I'd much rather pay more in taxes to keep someone behind bars than pay a bit less to kill him.
Prepare your dumbs and disagrees
I think it should be abolished, if we kill a murderer, surely we are no better than them.
How about countries such minor crimes receive life in prison or death, crimes such as adultery, tax evasion and petty theft. Another reason why capital punishment should not be used anywhere
[QUOTE=Miigga;22415177]I'm glad there is no death penalty here in Finland. It's even ruled in the Finnish constitution that it's illegal here.
I find death penalty inhumane and I would feel uneasy about giving any institution the right to legally murder people. (sure, you could remind me about the army and stuff but whatever) For instance if someone killed a bunch of people, killing him as a punishment would be rather hypocritical, would it not? Killers are people too, not some embodiments of pure evil. Don't get me wrong, they're dicks, lock them up for a long, long time, but killing them is a bit extreme.
Also, with death penalty, an innocent person will most likely eventually be executed for something he did not do.
I find it kind of disgusting when people say "we should have death penalty because it's cheaper". These are human lives that we're talking about, it's just a bit too cynical to start talking about the monetary costs of something. I'd much rather pay more in taxes to keep someone behind bars than pay a bit less to kill him.
Prepare your dumbs and disagrees[/QUOTE]
this is the most reasonable argument here, listen to it
in some ways... yes
terrorists cannot be trusted to live. sounds dumb but I would go along with it.
[QUOTE=redstar2424;22415225]How about countries such minor crimes receive life in prison or death, crimes such as adultery, tax evasion and petty theft. Another reason why capital punishment should not be used anywhere[/QUOTE]
You get caught with Hash in Malaysia = death sentence. Its a strong method of a deterrent I suppose.
[QUOTE=redstar2424;22415225]How about countries such minor crimes receive life in prison or death, crimes such as adultery, tax evasion and petty theft. Another reason why capital punishment should not be used anywhere[/QUOTE]
those countries are thirld world and there's much bigger problems than who goes to prison
[QUOTE=redstar2424;22415225]How about countries such minor crimes receive life in prison or death, crimes such as adultery, tax evasion and petty theft. Another reason why capital punishment should not be used anywhere[/QUOTE]
Those counties either
A: cannot afford to run prisons
B: Have some fucked up ideas about life
C: The public wants it.
[QUOTE=Akayz;22415239]in some ways... yes
terrorists cannot be trusted to live. sounds dumb but I would go along with it.[/QUOTE]
who is a terrorist?
There's no death penalty in Norway, and i'm fine with that. Though, countries who do have death penalties seem to be all "kill them all rargh!!!1".
[QUOTE=Carne;22415252]There's no death penalty in Norway, and i'm fine with that. Americans seems to "kill them all rargh!!!1".[/QUOTE]
lol not really.
[QUOTE=Egevened;22414720]to be honest the retribution of keeping someone in prison is larger than shooting them in the head or injecting him with some stuff[/QUOTE]
That's wrong. Usually the convicts still sit in jail for years and years and years before they get the penalty.
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