The fact that more than a few innocent people have been put to death is enough of a reason for me to want it abolished. Even if it's 1 innocent per 10000 it's still too much.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;22415361]Except it's not. One bullet costs alot less then feeding one person for the rest of his life[/QUOTE]
It's not the "killing" that costs money, it's all the research and stuff.
Don't know how reliable this information is but I'll post it anyway:
[url]http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084[/url]
[QUOTE=gerbile4;22414944]Some people deserve to die. Repeat offenders for sexual based crimes, and pedophiles especially. It is sick and wrong to do a sexual crime to someone, but it is 1000 times sicker if it is a kid.[/QUOTE]
Yes because raping someone is worse than killing them :rolleye:
I don't think any country should have death penalties because the only person who should have the right to end your life is yourself.
[QUOTE=coco911231;22415561]this made me think?
Would you rather die from being shot by the firing squad or lethal injection?[/QUOTE]
Shot for sure, two to the head, then the chance of it fucking up is low, unlike when the injections go wrong and you're left paralysed but feeling the pain.
[QUOTE=Edgeless;22414869]Dirty cops, Mental health and situation. All have an effect on this.
For example , someone who has spent most of their life homeless and living in the streets begging, who is illiterate is more than likely to confess to a murder charge, if it gets him an education and a roof over his head for 25 years.[/QUOTE]
you won't confess to a crime you didn't commit if you know you'll be put to death for it
[QUOTE=coco911231;22415561]this made me think?
Would you rather die from being shot by the firing squad or lethal injection?[/QUOTE]
there was that story recently where a guy picked firing squad, and it's one of the only states that still lets you pick that option.
I don't think we should focus on locking up or killing criminals, but rather on rehabilitating them. In the US, where prisons are really harsh and they have death sentences, there are more crimes than in most of today's countries, and the majority of people in prison will start doing crimes again once they get out.
In other countries, where they focus more on rehab than punishing, like Denmark for example, they have much fewer criminals and almost all of those who are sentenced and go through rehabilitation don't commit crime again.
Locking criminals up in cages or killing them is a very primitive idea that doesn't work out so well in the long run.
but also think of the mental damage caused to the executioners. I mean sure, they think that they are doing the right thing, but man, I know if I were them I wouldnt be able to keep it up very long, I dont think I could live with one death on my hands even, no matter the reason, even if I know it was the best thing to do, so that could screw up the good guys too.
[QUOTE=Callius;22415589][QUOTE=gerbile4;22414944]Some people deserve to die. Repeat offenders for sexual based crimes, and pedophiles especially. It is sick and wrong to do a sexual crime to someone, but it is 1000 times sicker if it is a kid.[/QUOTE]
Yes because raping someone is worse than killing them :rolleye:
I don't think any country should have death penalties because the only person who should have the right to end your life is yourself.[/QUOTE]
Not even yourself. Life is such a beutiful thing and NO MAN has the right to take it away[QUOTE=ImBill;22415506]i think we should just shoot everyone accused of a crime because it's the cheapest method,[/QUOTE]
Oh look, [url=http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty]it appears you are wrong[/url]
I think we need to torture them to teach them a lesson so they don't fuck with anyone anymore unless they want to get tortured again.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22415659]I think we need to torture them to teach them a lesson so they don't fuck with anyone anymore unless they want to get tortured again.[/QUOTE]
of course, modern society would approve
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;22415609]I don't think we should focus on locking up or killing criminals, but rather on rehabilitating them. In the US, where prisons are really harsh and they have death sentences, there are more crimes than in most of today's countries, and the majority if people in prison will start doing crimes again once they get out.
In other countries, where they focus more on rehab than punishing, like Denmark for example, they have much fewer criminals and almost all of those who are sentenced and go through rehabilitation don't commit crime again.
Locking criminals up in cages or killing them is a very primitive idea that doesn't work out so well in the long run.[/QUOTE]
This,
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415062]You're forgetting that we're talking about serial killers/rapists.
.[/QUOTE]
As the above, just because someone has commited something bad doesn't mean they can't be saved in the non religious sense. What is better, destroying two lives or destroying one and rebuilding the other?
[QUOTE=Rashy;22414687]A Life For A life.[/QUOTE]
a box for a box
The death penalty is stupid in any situation
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22415635]but also think of the mental damage caused to the executioners. I mean sure, they think that they are doing the right thing, but man, I know if I were them I wouldnt be able to keep it up very long, I dont think I could live with one death on my hands even, no matter the reason, even if I know it was the best thing to do, so that could screw up the good guys too.[/QUOTE]
That's why there's a firing squad but only one has a loaded gun.
Oh and, if you were serious about your torture idea, please die.
I'd rather see 10 murderers live than see 1 innocent human put to death.
Death can never be justified with death. Life convicts should be made to do constructive things, like how the clean up roads and stuff in America. I'm no expert but the system should stay as cost effective and humane as possible.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying.
But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE]Isn't there an anglo saxon thing for this called a blood fued where if one person kills another then the person the victims family could then kill the murderer then someone from the murderers family could kill them, tis funny
[QUOTE=redstar2424;22415469]@lasserbaumns so you are saying you should allow death sentence just because it costs less. Last time I checked prison is a reformatory institution[/QUOTE]
I never said that, I just responded to Mexican's post
I think death penalty should be abolished entirely, as I feel that no human has the right to judge if another human should live or die.
I'm fine with putting some people in jail for the rest of their lives, but I don't believe in killing them.
[QUOTE=Callius;22415673]This,
As the above, just because someone has commited something bad doesn't mean they can't be saved in the non religious sense. What is better, destroying two lives or destroying one and rebuilding the other?[/QUOTE]
You think you can fix rapist and murderers.
Okay.
[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415670]of course, modern society would approve[/QUOTE]
yes, I know that in the US we have the 9th amendment or whatever one it is that says no cruel and unusual punishment, but atleast your not taking their life. maybe the first time you show them the equipment, then lock the up for their term, show them others getting tortured, then hopefully they'll be too scared shitless to commit a crime again, then repeatoffenders get it
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415732]You think you can fix rapist and murderers.
Okay.[/QUOTE]
you think you can't
Okay.
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415732]You think you can fix rapist and murderers.
Okay.[/QUOTE]
Anything's possible with Science :science:
People who spend so long in prison grow accustomed to it and can't function in normal society. Hence why there are a lot of repeat offenders (in the US at least). On top of that, keeping people alive that don't deserve it costs the country a LOT of money. So if anything we should be killing off death row inmates faster.
[QUOTE=Rashy;22414687]A Life For A life.[/QUOTE]
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
[QUOTE=J0E_SpRaY;22414749]And it costs even more to keep them in prison.[/QUOTE]
um actually no it doesn't [B]it costs [i]far, far more[/i] to execute somebody than it does to keep them in prison for life[/B] (except in countries like China etc.) if you don't believe me look it up
I think it's wrong for two reasons:
1) Killing them is an exercise in hypocrisy (murderers, anyway, which is almost exclusively who people want the death penalty for)
[B]2) The justice system is not infallible
[/B]
That second one alone should be reason enough to not allow it. If you disagree with that at all you're a fool.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22415735]yes, I know that in the US we have the 9th amendment or whatever one it is that says no cruel and unusual punishment, but atleast your not taking their life. maybe the first time you show them the equipment, then lock the up for their term, show them others getting tortured, then hopefully they'll be too scared shitless to commit a crime again, then repeatoffenders get it[/QUOTE]
Please listen to yourself.
1. Just threatening them WON'T make them to stop
2. Most mayor crimes are commited by people with mental disorders, torture is not what they need in any way
3. Even jail is not enough for these guys.
[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415641]Not even yourself. Life is such a beutiful thing and NO MAN has the right to take it away
Oh look, [url=http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty]it appears you are wrong[/url][/QUOTE]
no you misunderstand
as soon as someone is accused we should execute them because only guilty people get accused and it's cheap this way
[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;22415763]People who spend so long in prison grow accustomed to it and can't function in normal society. Hence why there are a lot of repeat offenders (in the US at least). On top of that, keeping people alive that don't deserve it costs the country a LOT of money. So if anything we should be killing off death row inmates faster.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url]
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22415735]yes, I know that in the US we have the 9th amendment or whatever one it is that says no cruel and unusual punishment, but atleast your not taking their life. maybe the first time you show them the equipment, then lock the up for their term, show them others getting tortured, then hopefully they'll be too scared shitless to commit a crime again, then repeatoffenders get it[/QUOTE]
What if someone innocent is wrongly accused and is being tortured? That's even worse than death.
I hope you either grow up or never get any kind of political power.
[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415784]Please listen to yourself.
1. Just threatening them WON'T make them to stop
2. Most mayor crimes are commited by people with mental disorders, torture is not what they need in any way
3. Even jail is not enough for these guys.[/QUOTE]
thats why I said repeat offender WILL get tortured
The cost difference between executing someone and imprisoning them for life is miniscule. Whoever is saying that execution is cheaper probably doesn't understand the appeals process.
Anyone who is sentenced to execution has a number of appeals granted to them. This is especially important for people who are imprisoned for crimes committed pre-DNA analysis--new evidence may come to light that would absolve them of any guilt. Currently there is a supreme court justice trying to make it so criminals who run out of appeals are sent to execution anyway, even if new evidence comes that would free them from guilt, as long as that evidence came after their last appeal.
Furthermore, judges should but the ones who handle how the death penalty is handed out. Judges are just as open to corruption and bribery as the next official. There should be a strict hierarchy on punishment for crimes; e.g., someone caught with a gram of marijuana shouldn't be in jail nearly as long as someone who rapes women/children.
If people are truly concerned about the [b]cost[/b] of imprisonment, then we need to stop imprisoning people who are charged with drug and paraphernalia possession, as well as illegal aliens. "Cost" is not an effective argument when talking about killing someone. I mean, it'd be cheaper to kill all the orphans and not have to pay for them, but you wouldn't do it because that'd be fucking evil. Making the assumption that everyone given an execution sentence is actually guilty and deserves to die is equally irrational.
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