Should death penalty be abolished - General

[QUOTE=radioactive;22416071]Care to point out where you read 50$ a day?[/QUOTE] Looked it up

[QUOTE=Gravgunner;22416108][QUOTE=radioactive;22416071]Care to point out where you read 50$ a day?[/QUOTE] Looked it up[/QUOTE] Hello Lin. I work in a prison, but I am assuming that by "jail", you are not being specific to presentence. In the state of Ohio, our Department published the figure of $36,000 a year ( or $98.63 per day) to incarcerate a felon within the system. This is Department wide and then averaged out for the 42,000 incarcerated inmates in the State. I hope this helps you and you can find it useful. Source(s): 19 years as a Corrections Officer in a max prison yahoo awnsers

The potential for innocents to be executed on it's own is not worth it. Stop jailing people for minor offences, bam; more space for those who deserve to be there.

[QUOTE=radioactive;22416013]You should be able to control your revenge if you're perfectly sane, but if you can't, you're not very sane and need medical attention.[/QUOTE] Say someone murdered you family/family relative that you were very close to. And said person didn't get the punishment that, in your opinion, he deserved. Would you be capable of just letting it go? No. And I doubt that you ever experienced something like this.

[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415795][url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url][/QUOTE] That link includes the costs of running the trial, representing the state and defendant, loads of stuff. A lot of those costs also apply to a normal inmate.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22416057]That is a fault of religion, not justice.[/QUOTE] It is a fault of religion. But it is also a fault of the person believing it.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22415845] someone caught with a gram of marijuana shouldn't be in jail nearly as long as someone who rapes women/children.[/QUOTE] Someone caught with a gram of marijuana shouldn't be in jail at all.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415965]Ask anybody in the police force. Anybody who has had any contact with these people. You've obviously never seen a child rapist in your life. You can't fix these things. You honestly believe people haven't tried? Your grand plan involves putting killers back in the streets after "fixing" them? You think they won't feel that temptation again? You think they HAVEN't felt it again? What stops them from just faking it so they can get out of jail easy? The logic is completely flawed. [URL]http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html[/URL] There are some things that we just CAN'T change as of yet. Putting your hope on child molesters and serial killers isn't something you should waste your energy on.[/QUOTE] You can reform anyone, sure some people don't want to be but you're basically giving up on those who could be reformed, besides who are you to decide who lives or dies. [QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415641]Not even yourself. Life is such a beutiful thing and NO MAN has the right to take it away Oh look, [URL="http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty"]it appears you are wrong[/URL][/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you're doing the whole facepunch "lets pretend religion is funny" or being serious but if it's the latter I'd say as the 'owner' of my life I have the right to remove it, sure if you want to keep yours because you believe that it's god's right then go ahead but I fail to see how you could viably prevent/punish those who want to die to stop them doing it.

The cost of a human life - Priceless. Please stop counting lives with money, it's just paper

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22415965]Ask anybody in the police force. Anybody who has had any contact with these people. You've obviously never seen a child rapist in your life. You can't fix these things. You honestly believe people haven't tried? Your grand plan involves putting killers back in the streets after "fixing" them? You think they won't feel that temptation again? You think they HAVEN't felt it again? What stops them from just faking it so they can get out of jail easy? The logic is completely flawed. [url]http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html[/url] There are some things that we just CAN'T change as of yet. Putting your hope on child molesters and serial killers isn't something you should waste your energy on.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_(1931_film[/url]) All of you people need to see this film.

[QUOTE=Gravgunner;22416039]It costs 50$ a day to keep someone in prison, saves alot of cash to put them in the chair[/QUOTE] I really doubt that

[QUOTE=Wolfie13;22416168][QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22415795][url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url][/QUOTE] That link includes the costs of running the trial, representing the state and defendant, loads of stuff. A lot of those costs also apply to a normal inmate.[/QUOTE] Yeah they do, but if you can read, everythin gets more expensive when is a death row trial.running a trial, the attorneys,ect, costs a lot more when is is a death sentence

[QUOTE=Melnek;22416154]Say someone murdered you family/family relative that you were very close to. And said person didn't get the punishment that, in your opinion, he deserved. Would you be capable of just letting it go? No. And I doubt that you ever experienced something like this.[/QUOTE] You may still want revenge, which is natural, but you have to control the revenge.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;22416150]The potential for innocents to be executed on it's own is not worth it. Stop jailing people for minor offences, bam; more space for those who deserve to be there.[/QUOTE] Aaah. Good point. Being a scientific and secular person I'm always open to the possibility of mistake and being proven wrong. Looks like Sgt Doom changed my mind. I'm anti-death penalty now.

Prejudice can play a great deal in the outcome of certain cases, for example back in 20th century AMERICA racists judges would often rule against black's just for the sake of being black. Sometimes you just can't rely so much responsibility on people with prejudice and open to corruption.

[QUOTE=Melnek;22416154]Say someone murdered you family/family relative that you were very close to. And said person didn't get the punishment that, in your opinion, he deserved. Would you be capable of just letting it go? No. And I doubt that you ever experienced something like this.[/QUOTE] You seem to be assuming that we all agree that the only punishment that would be worthy of a murder is execution. And I doubt that you have ever experienced something like this, either. For every pro-death argument, I can find an equally convincing testimony of families who watched the murderer get executed, and then say that it didn't help them at all. Do you know why this is? It is because executing someone doesn't bring the dead back to life, and that is what the grieving want. I don't buy into execution of the guilty being the next best thing to that.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22416247]Aaah. Good point. Being a scientific and secular person I'm always open to the possibility of mistake and being proven wrong. Looks like Sgt Doom changed my mind. I'm anti-death penalty now.[/QUOTE] :golfclap:

[QUOTE=Callius;22416221] I'm not sure if you're doing the whole facepunch "lets pretend religion is funny" or being serious but if it's the latter I'd say as the 'owner' of my life I have the right to remove it, sure if you want to keep yours because you believe that it's god's right then go ahead but I fail to see how you could viably prevent/punish those who want to die to stop them doing it.[/QUOTE] Why punish them. Why prevent them, they are just insane, stupid and coward [editline]10:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Viephemeral;22416247][QUOTE=Sgt Doom;22416150]The potential for innocents to be executed on it's own is not worth it. Stop jailing people for minor offences, bam; more space for those who deserve to be there.[/QUOTE] Aaah. Good point. Being a scientific and secular person I'm always open to the possibility of mistake and being proven wrong. Looks like Sgt Doom changed my mind. I'm anti-death penalty now.[/QUOTE] What the fuck If you change opinions too fast, you can't argue correctly

[QUOTE=Rashy;22414687]A Life For A life.[/QUOTE] This. Society does not need killers.

I don't think we should have the death penalty, however I think life in prison should mean LIFE IN PRISON not 25 years then they're out. The only benefit I see to the death penalty is that it sends a much more clear message to people as to what happens.

[QUOTE=stupid idiot;22416213]Someone caught with a gram of marijuana shouldn't be in jail at all.[/QUOTE] Agreed, but living in a neo-con state, I'm conditioned to expect that. But yes, you're completely right.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;22416324]This. Society does not need killers.[/QUOTE] But killing the killers makes more killers.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;22416324][QUOTE=Rashy;22414687]A Life For A life.[/QUOTE] This. Society does not need killers.[/QUOTE] But then we kill the killers so there can't be any killers!

[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22416296]Why punish them. Why prevent them, they are just insane, stupid and coward [editline]10:15AM[/editline] What the fuck If you change opinions too fast, you can't argue correctly[/QUOTE] Or I'm not a hardheaded dumbfuck like some people here. I think we've already established your stupidity.

yes

[QUOTE=Mr.Ordbert;22416296]Why punish them. Why prevent them, they are just insane, stupid and coward [editline]10:15AM[/editline] What the fuck If you change opinions too fast, you can't argue correctly[/QUOTE] What. The point of debate is to expand your views, or reaffirm them. Not to be a closed-minded douchebag.

Oh and for the people saying that suicide is a right that people should have, you are correct. The problem resides in the fact that nobody wants to clean up the dead body of the moron who threw himself off a building and landed in the middle of a children's playground.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;22416398]Oh and for the people saying that suicide is a right that people should have, you are correct. The problem resides in the fact that nobody wants to clean up the dead body of the moron who threw himself off a building and landed in the middle of a children's playground.[/QUOTE] Then make the murderers clean it up.

[QUOTE=radioactive;22416417]Then make the murderers clean it up.[/QUOTE] Yeah make the guy who killed himself clean it up... Oh wait Or do you mean make other criminals clean it up? Which is actually an idea I strongly support.

So a court can play god and tell who lives and who dies?