Should death penalty be abolished - General

[QUOTE=victormeriqui_1;22414722]No way, There's people who rape and then kill 6 year old children. They deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Why does [B]ANYONE[/B] disagree to this!? [editline]09:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=GenericUsername;22417531]A life sentence is fine and dandy, a REAL life sentence, not that 25 year crap. The death penalty is just sickening, as I already said and no, it doesn't cost more to keep them in jail for life thant it does to execute them, even though that excuse for executing people is ridiculous. And I stand by my words, your statement is just bloodthirsty over the top bullshit.[/QUOTE] It doesn't HAVE to cost a lot. What, a .22 bullet is 5 cents? 10 cents? One of those to the brain, and..

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22417218]If she was living in fear constantly, to the point that she did snap, she should not be tried on account of self-defense. Not to mention, in cases like this, the abused almost always shows great remorse and accountability for her actions, which is extremely uncommon for intentional murders, as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Cases like this would not apply to self defence as it could be something very small that cause her to snap and kill him, plus these cases are often defined as premeditated murder. I know little about the mind set of an abused woman after they did the act but I'm pretty sure that isn't true of all/most cases.

[QUOTE=StephenOrlov;22417628]Why does [B]ANYONE[/B] disagree to this!?[/QUOTE] Because some people like to be seen as fair and Unbaised. They do not look at the real issue.

[QUOTE=Edgeless;22417018]Depends, did she tie him down and torture him for days? Or did she shoot him in the head ? First one, 20 years Minimum in a secure unit. Second one more difficult to determine.[/QUOTE] Does it matter? She was driven by him to do what she did. A murder is a murder.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22417690]Does it matter? She was driven by him to do what she did. A murder is a murder.[/QUOTE] In terms of sentancing, it does matter. the method used is usally the main factor behind the sentance given out.

[QUOTE=GenericUsername;22417531]A life sentence is fine and dandy, a REAL life sentence, not that 25 year crap. The death penalty is just sickening, as I already said and no, it doesn't cost more to keep them in jail for life thant it does to execute them. And I stand by my words, your statement is just bloodthirsty over the top bullshit.[/QUOTE] What? We waste money on prisons because of people like you who fight harsh laws. If we had more harsh laws, less people would commit crimes, which means less people in jail wasting our money on their pathetic lives. Our jails today are overflowing because our laws are crap. A large percentage of inmates come back out and kill or commit crimes again, hurting innocent people because you believe we should give them more respect.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;22417582]Where do you having anything that says it costs less to keep them for their whole life in prison, than it does to shoot them up with some drug that costs a couple hundred dollars?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ragy;22417763]What? We waste money on prisons because of people like you who fight harsh laws. If we had more harsh laws, less people would commit crimes, which means less people in jail wasting our money on their pathetic lives. Our jails today are overflowing because our laws are crap. A large percentage of inmates come back out and kill or commit crimes again, hurting innocent people because you believe we should give them more respect.[/QUOTE] [quote=http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty]The death penalty in the U.S. is an enormously expensive and wasteful program with no clear benefits. All of the studies on the cost of capital punishment conclude it is much more expensive than a system with life sentences as the maximum penalty. In a time of painful budget cutbacks, states are pouring money into a system that results in a declining number of death sentences and executions that are almost exclusively carried out in just one area of the country. As many states face further deficits, it is an appropriate time to consider whether maintaining the costly death penalty system is being smart on crime.[/quote]

[QUOTE=StephenOrlov;22417628]Why does [B]ANYONE[/B] disagree to this!? [editline]09:18AM[/editline] It doesn't HAVE to cost a lot. What, a .22 bullet is 5 cents? 10 cents? One of those to the brain, and..[/QUOTE] Because killing the rapist doesn't bring back the girl's virginity, nor psychological stability. He is equally unlikely to rape a child in prison as he is in a coffin. And that edit you added, well, that's already been explained a thousand times. People seem to think that the only costs of incarceration are "execution" and "imprisonment," when there are a plethora of other costs involved in the legal system. The appeal process completely trumps the idea that someone who is given the execution sentence can be executed on-spot for little to no cost. You would have to ignore justice in order to save money, and fuck that. [quote]The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case). The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.[/quote] I think someone already linked this, but [url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url] That's just for my state, Kansas.

[QUOTE=GenericUsername;22417789]The death penalty in the U.S. is an enormously expensive and wasteful program with no clear benefits. All of the studies on the cost of capital punishment conclude it is much more expensive than a system with life sentences as the maximum penalty. In a time of painful budget cutbacks, states are pouring money into a system that results in a declining number of death sentences and executions that are almost exclusively carried out in just one area of the country. As many states face further deficits, it is an appropriate time to consider whether maintaining the costly death penalty system is being smart on crime.[/QUOTE] You are failing to understand that to keep our money from going to prisons, harsh laws and needed to stop people from committing crimes. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=victormeriqui_1;22414722]No way, There's people who rape and then kill 6 year old children. They deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't you rather they stayed in a 2*2m cell with no windows and enough food just to get by for the rest of their lives? Unfortunately they don't have this, but it would certainly be much more horrible of a punishment than death. The worst is when murderers are rehabilitated, if they have killed then they do not deserve to continue living a normal life. The only thing they deserve is life in prison, and I mean full life. The problem with prisons costing so much is because the majority of prisoners have too much of a nice life.

[QUOTE=Earthen;22417878]Wouldn't you rather they stayed in a 2*2m cell with no windows and enough food just to get by for the rest of their lives? Unfortunately they don't have this, but it would certainly be much more horrible of a punishment than death. The worst is when murderers are rehabilitated, if they have killed then they do not deserve to continue living a normal life. The only thing they deserve is life in prison, and I mean full life. The problem with prisons costing so much is because the majority of prisoners have too much of a nice life.[/QUOTE] Why waste money on a worthless life in prison when it could be going to education which prevents crimes? You sir make no sense.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22417867]You are failing to understand that to keep our money from going to prisons, harsh laws and needed to stop people from committing crimes.[/QUOTE] You do realize that most murders aren't horrid, monstrous CSI serial killer bullshit, right? They occur more often in poverty-stricken areas that are filled with gangs and violence is an everyday occurrence. When people are killing other people for things like money, the possibility of punishment becomes slightly more irrelevant. Even if the majority of murders were done just because they wanted to murder someone, do you really think the threat of punishment would be effective? On a smaller scale, do speeding tickets stop people from speeding? Or does the threat of jail-time and the revocation of your license prevent drunk driving?

[QUOTE=Ragy;22417867]You are failing to understand that to keep our money from going to prisons, harsh laws and needed to stop people from committing crimes. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] Criminals don't really give a shit about laws, y'know. That's why they're criminals.

[quote]You are failing to understand that to keep our money from going to prisons, harsh laws and needed to stop people from committing crimes. [/quote] You've been trying that for the last 30 fucking years. NO FRIGGING DICE! And besides, bloodcurdling penaties are useless. You need to catch the fuckers. That is what counts as deterrent. Aside from anything else, horrific penalties just give the sickos more of an adrenalin rush when they commit, too.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22417930]Why waste money on a worthless life in prison when it could be going to education which prevents crimes? You sir make no sense.[/QUOTE] Maybe if we put you into a steel box with a copy of the evaluations of the cost of the death penalty we've been giving you for a few decades the lethargic slug crawling around inside your head might wake up and absorb the information. This is exactly why we need to abolish the death penalty, because the only people that are for it are people who don't have the ability to comprehend basic facts.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22417381]More harsh penalty's for every criminal law = less crimes committed.[/QUOTE] Yeah this is true pretty much nowhere. [QUOTE=Ragy;22417867]to keep our money from going to prisons, harsh laws a[re] needed to stop people from committing crimes.[/QUOTE] :wtc:

Have the victims' loved ones personally do the execution.

I think it's pretty dumb that you get less for murder than drug possession in some countries.

[QUOTE=TurbisV2;22418253]I think it's pretty dumb that you get less for murder than drug possession in some countries.[/QUOTE] This is England. the country where you will get 7 years for child murder and 25 years for herion possesion Fucking Political correctness

[QUOTE=StephenOrlov;22417628]Why does [B]ANYONE[/B] disagree to this!? [editline]09:18AM[/editline] It doesn't HAVE to cost a lot. What, a .22 bullet is 5 cents? 10 cents? One of those to the brain, and..[/QUOTE] Cost should never come into a life or death, else where do you draw the line, that man who is a convincted criminal should we [i]really[/i] pay for his medical care or food? [QUOTE=Earthen;22417878] The worst is when murderers are rehabilitated, if they have killed then they do not deserve to continue living a normal life. The only thing they deserve is life in prison, and I mean full life. The problem with prisons costing so much is because the majority of prisoners have too much of a nice life.[/QUOTE] Rehabilitating a murderer can create a constructive member of society, by commiting them to total life in prison you are in effect killing off two lives. One person being murdered is enough, lets not destroy a second life.

Depends. If they value life, yes. If they just went on a brutal rampage, no.

[QUOTE=Rashy;22414687]A Life For A life.[/QUOTE] And that's why they should spend the rest of their life in pain in a prison. Not getting shocks for 30 seconds and then getting away with it.

[QUOTE=Ragy;22417930]Why waste money on a worthless life in prison when it could be going to education which prevents crimes? You sir make no sense.[/QUOTE] Crime will never end. Education might stop a lot, but not all. If you kill each murderer you just create a cycle of killing and you stoop to the level of them murderer. If the criminal knows he will die, then there is nothing to stop him, if he knows he has to sit in a cell forever at least he might think twice. In addition to this, a low standard of education is not a requirement to commit crime. Anyone can do it, everybody has reasons, whether those reasons are right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder. Every man assumes that his way of life is right.

Thankfully it's abolished in my country.

[QUOTE=Edgeless;22418354] Fucking Political correctness[/QUOTE] it's all in your head

An eye for an eye is fair, but the law isn't always right so I am against the penalty after hearing those stories of how people have been killed, only for the police to find they were innocent.

[QUOTE=T1dal;22418505]An eye for an eye is fair, but the law isn't always right so I am against the penalty after hearing those stories of how people have been killed, only for the police to find they were innocent.[/QUOTE] The Green Mile :saddowns: That's probably why the Death Pentalty is abolished mostly.

They still have it in China. Look how crap they have it :|

Of course it should be abolished. Reinstate it when the justice system is all-perfect.

[QUOTE=redstar2424;22414665]Hi fp, Since I am doing a 5 page essay on this same topic and I would like for you to share your opinion of why death sentence should/should not be allowed. Since this begin such a controversial law I am expecting a big debate. I personally think is wrong for various reasons such as the cost on the taxpayers money, take in consideration that many of the taxpayers paying for executions do not support this type of punishment[/QUOTE] Iceland has one of the lowest murder rate's in the world with no death penalty. Give their system a look. I don't think France has the death penalty either, and they are the top rated country for the Quality of Life index 5 years running. Good luck mate!