Should death penalty be abolished - General

It costs them more money to keep them in prison then it does to kill them. Although Im sure that's been said in the last 7 pages...

If it's a Jewish criminal just hand them over to the modern Nazis. /joke I think it's just that the years in prison for killing should be long.

[QUOTE=socklicker;22420173]It costs them more money to keep them in prison then it does to kill them. Although Im sure that's been said in the last 7 pages...[/QUOTE]I hate idiots like you The death penalty costs MORE than leaving him alive. Think, they do various labour in jail, and they earn shit.

[QUOTE=radioactive;22416341]But killing the killers makes more killers.[/QUOTE] The state kills them.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;22426931]The state kills them.[/QUOTE] no, the executioner kills them, which makes them a killer, which according to the very same people that support the death penalty, is a bad thing (and they should be executed for it)

Death penalty should only apply to people who've killed many people and there is solid evidence of them doing it.

[QUOTE=Egevened;22414720]to be honest the retribution of keeping someone in prison is larger than shooting them in the head or injecting him with some stuff[/QUOTE] Not really. It costs more money your way, too.

I say anyone who is going to be the nation's average lifespan age or up from their sentance if it finishes the course should be killed by default.

Only children and bloodthirsty morons support the death penalty. it doesn't prevent crime. it costs more money than other methods of incarceration. it raises colossal ethical implications. what does it do.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;22428493]Only children and bloodthirsty morons support the death penalty. it doesn't prevent crime. it costs more money than other methods of incarceration. it raises colossal ethical implications. what does it do.[/QUOTE] Also money grubbing ass hats who define morals by cheapest solution.

It should, but don't waste money on injections or electric chairs, just take them behind the barn and shoot them.

Death penalty should be abolished. It not only gives a person the opportunity to live in the case of a miscarriage of justice, but the retribution of a prisoner living is larger than them dying.

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying. But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE] It DEPENDS what the circumstances for the murder were Viscous tortures, death, random murders, death, premeditated...massacres, death. Those are people that should never be allowed to go ANYWHERE [editline]07:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;22428819]Death penalty should be abolished. It not only gives a person the opportunity to live in the case of a miscarriage of justice, but the retribution of a prisoner living is larger than them dying.[/QUOTE] No not really, taking away the biggest gift the universe can give to us is REALLY good revenge, at least in prison they get 3 meals a day and shelter. [editline]07:03PM[/editline] Also fuck this shit, why should it cost $50,000 a year per prisoner, for the murderers. Have you ever thought about how the family of a murdered person has to pay for a prisoner at some point with THEIR tax money?

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying. But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE] It would be a chain reaction of deaths which would therefore completely obliterate the entire human population! Dear jesus...

Execute all heinous criminals. I don't want to be paying for some scumbag's meal and lodging.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22430355] No not really, taking away the biggest gift the universe can give to us is REALLY good revenge, at least in prison they get 3 meals a day and shelter. Also fuck this shit, why should it cost $50,000 a year per prisoner, for the murderers. Have you ever thought about how the family of a murdered person has to pay for a prisoner at some point with THEIR tax money?[/QUOTE] Since when is justice based on revenge? wat On the second point, they could just as easily let him out of jail so they don't have to pay for him to be in there. The amount they would donate to that cause collectively is minuscule. How is this even a viable argument? You know that the families spend more money in appeals court, right?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22430415]Execute all heinous criminals. I don't want to be paying for some scumbag's meal and lodging.[/QUOTE] Are you really that far detached from humanity that you can sum up killing another person (no matter how despicable their actions are) because you don't want to pay for them?

Life in prison: "You just killed all these people and so now your country is going to pay for you to sit on your ass and eat all day for the rest of your life." Death penalty: "You are now dead."

[QUOTE=Crimor;22428751]It should, but don't waste money on injections or electric chairs, just take them behind the barn and shoot them.[/QUOTE] the expensive part about the death penalty is not the fucking method of execution i swear some of you people are so uneducated it's scary [editline]10:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GoldenGnome;22430467]Life in prison: "You just killed all these people and so now your country is going to pay for you to sit on your ass and eat all day for the rest of your life." Death penalty: "You are now dead."[/QUOTE] just stop talking

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22414742]If a murderer kills someone then they should die, I understand what you're saying. But what about the person who kills the killer? Then, by your logic, the executioner should be killed also?[/QUOTE] no he is no longer a person and already has no life so you are killing a corpse

No. It should be expanded.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22430459]Are you really that far detached from humanity that you can sum up killing another person (no matter how despicable their actions are) because you don't want to pay for them?[/QUOTE] I would rather pay for the bullets destined to enter their skulls rather than food and lodging that could have been given to others NOT in prison for life.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;22430526]no he is no longer a person and already has no life so you are killing a corpse[/QUOTE] what [editline]10:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22430549]I would rather pay for the bullets destined to enter their skulls rather than food and lodging that could have been given to others NOT in prison for life.[/QUOTE] you also have no clue what you're talking about so i suggest you stop talking

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22430549]I would rather pay for the bullets destined to enter their skulls rather than food and lodging that could have been given to others NOT in prison for life.[/QUOTE] Obviously detached. I recommend you stop playing shooting games.

Well, I'm against it. Because i can imagine how it'd be to get to know that soon you'll be killed and loose everything you've ever had.

[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;22430467]Life in prison: "You just killed all these people and so now your country is going to pay for you to sit on your ass and eat all day for the rest of your life." Death penalty: "You are now dead."[/QUOTE] I've said this several times already, but since you probably didn't read every page, I'll do it again just for you. People sentenced to execution do not get executed immediately. You still pay for them to stay in prison for huge amounts of time. [quote]They wait alone, in cells of just a few square meters, often for 15 or 20 years, sometimes more. For US inmates on death row, the sentence is just the beginning of a long countdown to execution. The lengthy wait and harsh conditions that US death row prisoners face has sparked debate over whether they are being punished twice, with long-term imprisonment and execution -- and even US Supreme Court justices have weighed in. On average, 13 years elapses between the time a death sentence is handed down and carried out. During that time, inmates are kept under close guard, confined to their cells alone for 23 hours a day with limited visitation opportunities. Their activities are often reduced to nothing more than filing new appeals against their death sentence. In Kentucky, more people on death row have died of natural causes than have been executed in the last 30 years.[/quote] [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hOcn1bXU7W_NbP0JN80LCNIVFa7A[/url]

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22430599]Obviously detached. I recommend you stop playing shooting games.[/QUOTE] The United States holds the world records for being the second most murderous country, and the country with the greatest amount of overall crime. I don't really want to condemn a member of a gang in prison for 'life', the gangster would just work on the inside instead. People would be released from prison only to have them come back in less than a year. A stricter enforcement of a Death Penalty should be set in place. At best it would act as a very strong deterrent. Even the most uneducated member of a gang or someone trying to be apart of one would not want to be placed under a death penalty for holding a tiny plastic bag full of shit. Besides, the tax money saved from a prison population that has been suddenly cut down could be used in funding of the prevention of future crime.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22430702]The United States holds the world records for being the second most murderous country, and the country with the greatest amount of overall crime. I don't really want to condemn a member of a gang in prison for 'life', the gangster would just work on the inside instead. People would be released from prison only to have them come back in less than a year. A stricter enforcement of a Death Penalty should be set in place. At best it would act as a very strong deterrent. Even the most uneducated member of a gang or someone trying to be apart of one would not want to be placed under a death penalty for holding a tiny plastic bag full of shit. Besides, the tax money saved from a prison population that has been suddenly cut down could be used in funding of the prevention of future crime.[/QUOTE] and yet [quote]Iceland has one of the lowest murder rate's in the world with no death penalty. Give their system a look. I don't think France has the death penalty either, and they are the top rated country for the Quality of Life index 5 years running. Good luck mate![/quote] and you want to increase the use of the death penalty? are you really that dense?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22430702]A stricter enforcement of a Death Penalty should be set in place. At best it would act as a very strong deterrent. Even the most uneducated member of a gang or someone trying to be apart of one would not want to be placed under a death penalty for holding a tiny plastic bag full of shit. Besides, the tax money saved from a prison population that has been suddenly cut down could be used in funding of the prevention of future crime.[/QUOTE] That's bloody rediculous. It's been shown time and time again that the reintroduction of the death penalty in the US did fuck all for the crime rate.

The monetary cost to tax payers is on average at least 50% greater when prosecutors pursue the death penalty due to the system of appeals set in place for death row inmates. I don't know how it works in other countries though.