Paying respect to dead people is a awful way of compensating for the lack of respect you gave them in life.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;34383118]It's my body. If I don't want you to remove my organs, you shouldn't be able to.
I'm an organ donor, but making it mandatory is very stupid and controlling.
And your opt-out idea is evil too. So you plan to just trick people into having their organs harvested? If people are asked, then what's the point in making it mandatory? This already exists when you get an ID or Drivers License.[/QUOTE]
Most who do not give organs do so out of laziness.
I'd give my body easily, I don't see why would I care so much, I'd be dead.
I do think that it has to be your own choice though.
It being mandatory would cause some problems, especially with Religions that require your body to be intact, for example.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34391111]Most who do not give organs do so out of laziness.[/QUOTE]
Or they want to keep their body as whole.
Well I fully contend that if people have a claim right to anything, it's their body and their labour. However when you're dead there's not a person to claim right to the body. I believe people should feel free to respect deceased people's wishes for X but you have no rights when you're dead.
It's not like you need them anymore.
Anyway, I think everyone should be a donator by default, and if they wish to change that, they should be able too.
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;34392040]Or they want to keep their body as whole.[/QUOTE]
What does it matter what people "want" when they're dead though?
I agree, I think their wills should be ignored if it would allow us to help the living
Living dudes > Dead dudes
[QUOTE=Scar;34392860]I agree, I think their wills should be ignored if it would allow us to help the living
Living dudes > Dead dudes[/QUOTE]
I mean in the context of organ donation. I can see it being reasonable that someone wants their property willed off to family members when they die or something along those lines. I just don't see why it matters if someone doesn't "want" their organs donated. So far the arguments I'm seeing against it are along the lines of "but... but tradition!", "but religion!", "it's just not a nice thing to do!" etc.
In Wales where I live, we had a new system put in place recently, you are assumed to be a donor if you can be identified, you haven't opted out and none of your immediate family oppose it (the last one is not necessarily if you have expressed permission during your lifetime).
I think this is a good system because anyone who's opposed to donating organs can opt out, and those who are sitting on the fence can let their family decide, rather than put the effort into applying to be an organ donor, which will save many lives.
If I don't live long enough to download my mind to the internet, I can still be assured to have a little bit of extended life, symbolically by helping someone else survive, even after my death, even though I am not religious or spiritual in any form.
Here in America, you are given a slip of paper to sign (in Triplicate) when you get your license. On that form, there's a box that you check for donorship. Just flip the box to an opt-out instead of an opt-in, and donor numbers will change.
i couldnt find the option to become a zombie on the form
the system is flawed, if dead people are able to vote in america i would like to at least be given the option to become a zombie too
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34391111]Most who do not give organs do so out of laziness.[/QUOTE]
Saying no takes just as much time as saying yes, so I don't see how its an issue of laziness.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;34394338]Saying no takes just as much time as saying yes, so I don't see how its an issue of laziness.[/QUOTE]
In England, by default you're not a donor. I had to actively go out and register.
What if you wake up with missing organs?
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;34393893]rather than put the effort into applying to be an organ donor[/QUOTE]
i really don't have much respect for people who aren't signed up to be an organ donor because they "can't be bothered" or it's "too much effort". you can sign up online or pick up a form from your GP/hospital, fill it in and you're done. and they're not long forms at all!
so people who aren't donors simply because they cannot be arsed to fill in a short form really do irritate me.
[url]http://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt/RegistrationForm.do[/url]
look how short it is!
How about reversing the whole deal? You have to fill out a form if you DON'T want to be a donor?
Really, everyone would win.
i'm pretty sure that's what OP was trying to suggest :P
that it should be that people have to opt-out of organ donation, instead of having to opt-in as we do currently.
Beyond religious reasons I don't see why someone would even want to opt out of organ donation.
[QUOTE=Rhinovirus;34383496]Again, your organs have the potential to save lives of many, your estate, however does not. I never claimed you didn't have a right to tell people to "fuck off", which is why I proposed an opt-out system. Do you believe we have a moral obligation to help one another? Furthermore does organ donation not aid in this goal? It makes perfect sense to adopt an opt-out system so those whom lack the empathy and selflessness are allowed to maintain their rights.[/QUOTE]
A person's estate can potentially improve more lives than your organs. Obviously depending on the estate.
But to get towards a certain point - legally one does not own a body nor can any part of the body be owned. That's a pretty big point in legal definitions and leads to certain oddities with organ donations and the law actually.
The body itself was actually a thing that could not be owned even in ancient Rome - a person could be owned but not their body or any parts of it.
Which is one of the reason a slave's body was a body of a free man and was subject to the same legalities.
The moment you open the door to mandatory donations you open a pretty big bag of shit. How is the ownership of this body defined afterwards. Obviously since on the moment of your death, the body goes over the state, one can assume that the ownership belongs to the state and you essentially just have a lease on your own body.
And a host of other more complex situations.
Who gives a fuck about what people do to your corpse? You are dead anyway, and if it can potentionelly save lives, so be it. All this sentimental crap is dumb.
Alive->Body is yours, and yours alone
Dead-> Belongs to the state
And even then, you should be allowed to sign some form or whatever to cease being a donor, but ONLY if you have a very valid reason. No religious garbage
It's like taking a watch from a dead guy, not very respectful.
[QUOTE=Rhinovirus;34383218]In death, "You", the sum of the conscious mind, a result of the brain, no longer exist, but rather would be decaying. Would you allow people to deny the chance of up to 10 individuals to have their life improved because of your desire to retain rights to their rotting corpse in death? [/quote]
You're kinda forgetting about religion here bro, I know no one here considers it relevant, but there will be loads of people who's beliefs this could interfere with
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[QUOTE=farmatyr;34397771]What if you wake up with missing organs?[/QUOTE]
you do know your organs are only removed once you're declared dead by a medical worker, don't you?
[QUOTE=Mabus;34398716]It's like taking a watch from a dead guy, not very respectful.[/QUOTE]
Respect for the dead is nice and all, but it shouldn't stop us from saving lives
And give up my lungs to a smoker so he can smoke some more. Ah, no thanks.
Maybe the family could get paid for the organs and other good shit you can harvest out of a healthy and relatively young male or female body?
i think monetary benefits should not be applicable when it's to do with health and your body.
But no don't make it mandatory.. Or I don't know, it wouldn't hurt, but I wonder how many organs go straight to the waste bin?
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[QUOTE=Autumn;34399258]i think monetary benefits should not be applicable when it's to do with health and your body.[/QUOTE]
I mean't like, some young healthy individual out of a family has an untimely death at the age of.. 25. Then the grievance process and all, and then they get a letter from hospital asking if they could (buy?) the dead ones organs
Perhaps it should just be a form you recieve in the post when you turn 16 or something asking whether you want to or not. A lot of people who wouldnt mind giving up organs probably don't even bother signing up and that is a bit wasteful.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;34398840]And give up my lungs to a smoker so he can smoke some more. Ah, no thanks.[/QUOTE]
Why not? You'd save a human being!
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