[QUOTE=Mlisen14;34424825]That's ridiculous. If I said "I think that man can land on the moon" and you extrapolated it to "this means man can land on any moon", it doesn't make the original premise faulty. Your conclusions are no measure of the value of his argument.[/QUOTE]
Johnny said premise[B][U][I]s[/I][/U][/B]. The premise[B][U][I]s[/I][/U][/B] in that argument are faulty even if the first one isn't.
As long as it's [b]not[/b] my heart or eyes (if they do those) I would do it.
cornea transplants are on the UK list when you check what you would and wouldn't donate
i've registered to donate all except my corneas
Why are the heart/eyes any different to anything else? I just literally can't fathom a logical reason for thinking you could possibly have a claim right to your dead corpse.
my personal reasons
a) with the advances being made in the optical (?) industry, it won't be long until they can manufacture corneas, thus removing the need for human transplants
b) you can live a fairly full and prosperous life without the use of your eyes
however, they cannot replicate hearts, lungs or any other organs that i choose to donate, and someone that needs a heart transplant needs it a damn sight more than someone that needs a cornea transplant
Regardless, there's no reason to actively claim right over your dead body. Those are reasons for it not being of [I][B]CRITICAL IMPORTANCE[/B][/I] but not reasons for people claiming right to horde organs to their name for literally no reason. It's literally just selfish arseholery.
okay
thanks for taking part in this discussion
I don't understand was I off topic or something
[QUOTE=Robbobin;34435175]Regardless, there's no reason to actively claim right over your dead body. Those are reasons for it not being of [I][B]CRITICAL IMPORTANCE[/B][/I] but not reasons for people claiming right to horde organs to their name for literally no reason. It's literally just selfish arseholery.[/QUOTE]
but selfish arseholery is legal.
[QUOTE=Autumn;34434478]i don't know why so many of you seem to think that *everybody* gets an autopsy when they die, regardless of the manner in which you died. no they don't, and whilst autopsies can be requested by the family if there wasn't already one scheduled because of uncertainty surrounding their death, they do not happen to every single person that dies.
[url]http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=77553[/url]
[url]http://www.deathreference.com/A-Bi/Autopsy.html#b[/url]
[url]http://answers.webmd.com/answers/648574/Who-determines-whether-someone-gets-an[/url][/QUOTE]
Blame TV :v:
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;34432029]It will happen either way, you just won't notice because they piece her back together and sow her up.[/QUOTE]
Admitting she dies in a strange situation, strange enough to make an autopsy legitimate, they put everything back where it belongs. An autopsy is examining a dead body to determine stuff, not emptying it to give back an empty shell. That's a completely different thing to me, despite how painful the thought of having a loved one dead body's examined from the inside and such.
But still, if she dies from an illness, car crash, heart attack or anything like that, her body should be safe from the procedure, and they're the most common scenarios, at least where I live.
Anyway back on subject :
-I was born with my body, [B]MY[/B] body, I can do whatever the fuck I want with it. Say I want to donate, fine, I can opt-in, this system works, no need to change it.
-It would cause lots of problems from the religious' point of view (and the only argument against that seems to be "they're all dumbasses"). You can't just deny a huge fragment of the population just because you don't believe in their faith.
-While "forgetting" or "not being arsed" to opt-in isn't that much of a big deal to me, since my body will be left untouched, forget to opt-out... well now that's another story. No need to remind you of all the arguments that have been said in the past 4 pages.
[QUOTE=DylanWilson;34383134]I don't really care once I'm dead, I'll be busy being dead[/QUOTE]
This.
To choose to not aid other human beings after your death is very selfish. I can appreciate that some people have strong beliefs about the human body after death and that is a fair enough reason, however if you are sat on the fence and choose not to have your organs harvested just because the default is to allow them to, then you're a tit.
[QUOTE=Clunj;34435855]This.
To choose to not aid other human beings after your death is very selfish. I can appreciate that some people have strong beliefs about the human body after death and that is a fair enough reason, however if you are sat on the fence and choose not to have your organs harvested just because the default is to allow them to, then you're a tit.[/QUOTE]
Then I'm a tit and lots of people are tits. But this is my right to be a tit, and taking away this right would be being an even bigger tit than I am.
[QUOTE=Autumn;34435076]my personal reasons
a) with the advances being made in the optical (?) industry, it won't be long until they can manufacture corneas, thus removing the need for human transplants
b) you can live a fairly full and prosperous life without the use of your eyes
however, they cannot replicate hearts, lungs or any other organs that i choose to donate, and someone that needs a heart transplant needs it a damn sight more than someone that needs a cornea transplant[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why you're willing to donate everything except your corneas.
If I die and someone wants a pair of corneas they can have mine. I don't care if they can be synthesized or unnecessary to live with. I can't use them when I'm dead anyway.
i guess i just don't see them doing as much good as other (what i consider to be) more vital organs
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like i said, you can still live a (reasonably) fulfilling life without the use of your corneas
if you have a failing heart/liver/lungs, chances are you've not got much life ahead of you, and that which is left is not going to be enjoyable
[QUOTE=Autumn;34436568]i guess i just don't see them doing as much good as other (what i consider to be) more vital organs
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
like i said, you can still live a (reasonably) fulfilling life without the use of your corneas
if you have a failing heart/liver/lungs, chances are you've not got much life ahead of you, and that which is left is not going to be enjoyable[/QUOTE]
but seeing as you don't need them, why not donate? It's kind of silly to donate only the organs that are required for life. Sure corneas won't do as much good, but they still do good.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;34435787]Admitting she dies in a strange situation, strange enough to make an autopsy legitimate, they put everything back where it belongs. An autopsy is examining a dead body to determine stuff, not emptying it to give back an empty shell. That's a completely different thing to me, despite how painful the thought of having a loved one dead body's examined from the inside and such.
But still, if she dies from an illness, car crash, heart attack or anything like that, her body should be safe from the procedure, and they're the most common scenarios, at least where I live.
Anyway back on subject :
-I was born with my body, [B]MY[/B] body, I can do whatever the fuck I want with it. Say I want to donate, fine, I can opt-in, this system works, no need to change it.
-It would cause lots of problems from the religious' point of view (and the only argument against that seems to be "they're all dumbasses"). You can't just deny a huge fragment of the population just because you don't believe in their faith.
-While "forgetting" or "not being arsed" to opt-in isn't that much of a big deal to me, since my body will be left untouched, forget to opt-out... well now that's another story. No need to remind you of all the arguments that have been said in the past 4 pages.[/QUOTE]
The point is that with an opt-out system instead of an opt-in system we'd be getting the organs from the lazy people as well, I don't see why you have such a big problem with it, if you don't want it to happen you can opt-out and it won't, simple as that.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34436604]Sure corneas won't do as much good, but they still do good.[/QUOTE]
the idea of someone looking through my eyes just seems a little odd to me
you could argue that if i donate my heart, that the receiver is then pumping blood, and is living through my heart. or that someone is breathing with my lungs, processing toxins with my liver etc.
but seeing and visualising is such a personal thing, it's everything i've seen in my life, it's affected many more decisions in my life than i care to imagine, and (to me) it's all just very personal.
a heart is a heart, it beats, it keeps you alive... but that's about it. not to say it's not important, but it's just doing it's job; whereas eyes are so very personal.
i dunno, i'm a very visual person :v:
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;34436679]The point is that with an opt-out system instead of an opt-in system we'd be getting the organs from the lazy people as well, I don't see why you have such a big problem with it, if you don't want it to happen you can opt-out and it won't, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
because what if those lazy people don't want to donate? or what if they are strongly against donating, but didn't know about the opt-out program?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34436711]because what if those lazy people don't want to donate? or what if they are strongly against donating, but didn't know about the opt-out program?[/QUOTE]
Beat me to it.
[QUOTE=Autumn;34436704]the idea of someone looking through my eyes just seems a little odd to me
you could argue that if i donate my heart, that the receiver is then pumping blood, and is living through my heart. or that someone is breathing with my lungs, processing toxins with my liver etc.
but seeing and visualising is such a personal thing, it's everything i've seen in my life, it's affected many more decisions in my life than i care to imagine, and (to me) it's all just very personal.
a heart is a heart, it beats, it keeps you alive... but that's about it. not to say it's not important, but it's just doing it's job; whereas eyes are so very personal.
i dunno, i'm a very visual person :v:[/QUOTE]
It would be what [b]used to be[/b] your heart and your eyes. When you die you don't exist anymore, so they can't be [i]your[/i] organs.
I can understand that people are apprehensive or maybe freaked out by the idea but that doesn't appear to constitute any logical reason to waste perfectly good organs because of this mental block you've created, which will not make the slightest bit of difference when you don't exist anymore.
to be honest i don't really count corneas as a vital organ
[QUOTE=Autumn;34436916]to be honest i don't really count corneas as a vital organ[/QUOTE]
sight isn't vital? I thought you said you were a visual person?
(like i keep saying) you can live a reasonably fulfilling life without having the use of your eyes
to me, my eyes are probably the most important part of my body. if i lost my sight my career and aspirations would be completely out of the window, i'd have to make serious adjustments to my lifestyle and i would probably be quite miserable... BUT i would still be alive.
whereas if my heart rapidly deteriorates to the point where i'm hospitalised, not only has everything about my life completely changed, but unless i get that new heart, i'm about done for. dead < blind
so no, i don't think sight is vital to life.
[QUOTE=Autumn;34436987](like i keep saying) you can live a reasonably fulfilling life without having the use of your eyes
to me, my eyes are probably the most important part of my body. if i lost my sight my career and aspirations would be completely out of the window, i'd have to make serious adjustments to my lifestyle and i would probably be quite miserable... BUT i would still be alive.
whereas if my heart rapidly deteriorates to the point where i'm hospitalised, not only has everything about my life completely changed, but unless i get that new heart, i'm about done for. dead < blind
so no, i don't think sight is vital to life.[/QUOTE]
how would you feel if you needed a cornea transplant, but the doctor said that "sight isn't necessary" and refused to give you a transplant. Yeah you would be alive, but you would still have a miserable life.
if it's gotten to the point that i need a cornea transplant then in my opinion my sight is beyond saving; it's already lost
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so i accept my future without sight
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[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34437046]how would you feel if you needed a cornea transplant, but the doctor said that "sight isn't necessary" and refused to give you a transplant.[/QUOTE]
also, come on, a doctor would never say that
[QUOTE=Autumn;34437065]if it's gotten to the point that i need a cornea transplant then in my opinion my sight is beyond saving; it's already lost
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
so i accept my future without sight
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
also, come on, a doctor would never say that[/QUOTE]
beyond saving? but it can be saved, with a simple transplant.
well if no one donated corneas, then he would have too.
I do not really care if they take my organs once I am dead.
If anything it is nice to help somebody out who is in need.
(if no one donated corneas then cornea transplant would never be an option in the first place...)
[QUOTE=Autumn;34437137](if no one donated corneas then cornea transplant would never be an option in the first place...)[/QUOTE]
which is why you should donate, so those that relay on site for their jobs, or who just want to be able to see again, can.
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