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[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073716]Again, I fully admit I have become angry and bitter, I'm not hiding that. I want those people, those institutions to admit their wrongdoing as well, but they never will. Again, I have had this said to me by not only peers but professors, professionals beloved by the students. I was forcibly removed from a lecture by campus police because she was telling students Trump would bring about right wing death squads to trawl minority neighborhoods and I had the audacity to say that was unlikely. If only you knew how bad things really were there.[/QUOTE] Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074159]Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.[/QUOTE] If he is, he's clearly terrible at being one. Edit: By which I mean he'd be shot by the Nazi party just for his remarks in this thread alone. (Nazis don't care if you 'were just trolling')
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074159]Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.[/QUOTE] Frankly? Cause I try hard to be what I want to see more of in the world. Nobody is born bigoted, and nobody needs to stay bigoted. I've never been one not to offer a had first before leaving somebody behind with their personal demons.
[QUOTE=lilgamefreek;53074171]Frankly? Cause I try hard to be what I want to see more of in the world. Nobody is born bigoted, and nobody needs to stay bigoted. I've never been one not to offer a had first before leaving somebody behind with their personal demons.[/QUOTE] That's fair, but people are taking his story at face value, when I think that we're clearly missing a lot of valuable context here. I've had discussions with genuinely insane people who were conservative in the extreme and I didn't find it anything but interesting. Never would have thought about kicking them off campus, nor would my professors.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074174]That's fair, but people are taking his story at face value, when I think that we're clearly missing a lot of valuable context here. I've had discussions with genuinely insane people who were conservative in the extreme and I didn't find it anything but interesting. Never would have thought about kicking them off campus, nor would my professors.[/QUOTE] I certainly think, this brought into light, there are some explanations that need be made by Johnny Joe.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074174]That's fair, but people are taking his story at face value, when I think that we're clearly missing a lot of valuable context here. I've had discussions with genuinely insane people who were conservative in the extreme and I didn't find it anything but interesting. Never would have thought about kicking them off campus, nor would my professors.[/QUOTE] It certainly is valuable context, and I find it difficult to write something that doesn't sound like I'm making excuses for the user. But I think it's important in a public forum to keep in mind that these replies are not just to a singular person, but the whole community. Maybe Johnny Joe is stretching the truth or outright lieing about his circumstances and opinions. There might still be someone reading who does feel the way Johnny Joe writes, and that reader could use an honest reply just as much. If I had wanted to only address Johnny Joe, than pm'ing him would've been a much more safer way to do it as my response had a lot of personal information, but I posted it publicly because I hoped others could find my post useful. Hopefully someone out there finds my posts as useful to them as your post was for me.
[QUOTE=lilgamefreek;53074207]It certainly is valuable context, and I find it difficult to write something that doesn't sound like I'm making excuses for the user. But I think it's important in a public forum to keep in mind that these replies are not just to a singular person, but the whole community. Maybe Johnny Joe is stretching the truth or outright lieing about his circumstances and opinions. There might still be someone reading who does feel the way Johnny Joe writes, and that reader could use an honest reply just as much. If I had wanted to only address Johnny Joe, than pm'ing him would've been a much more safer way to do it as my response had a lot of personal information, but I posted it publicly because I hoped others could find my post useful. Hopefully someone out there does.[/QUOTE] I've already received a PM thanking me for my posts in this thread, that it helped them sort through some things in their life even though it wasn't directly related to what Johnny Joe and us were talking about. So at the very least, the posts have already had a positive impact for others even if our target audience (Joe) may wind up being the disingenuous sort.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074159]Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.[/QUOTE] Ah well I take back what I said because this was all clearly here for brownie points and trying to force a narrative of “so much for the tolerant left”
That's certainly some context, and I can only hope that he wasn't deliberately untruthful. I'm not about to buy absolutely [I]everything[/I] at face value from a stranger I have many clear disagreements with in the first place, but even then, I just hope things aren't that cynical.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073716] Again, I have had this said to me by not only peers but professors, professionals beloved by the students. I was forcibly removed from a lecture by campus police because she was telling students Trump would bring about right wing death squads to trawl minority neighborhoods and I had the audacity to say that was unlikely. If only you knew how bad things really were there.[/QUOTE] :doubt::doubt::doubt::doubt::doubt::doubt::doubt: This reads like a story someone would come up with after learning everything they know about uni from "so much for the tolerant left!" greentext shitposting tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this dude's feelings of ostracization probably have some basis in reality, but come the fuck on. The anecdotes posted in this thread sound hilariously exaggerated and obviously one sided. And they get worse and worse as people try to help lmao. Tbh it seems more likely that the kind of person who would use George Lincoln Rockwell as their avatar might possibly have said something a little more provocative than "I'm a Christian!" and "I don't think Trump will be sending death squads!" to earn the ire of their peers, especially if you want to claim the University itself got involved. Still- it's interesting to get some perspective on the views of someone who thinks stuff like this [i]could happen[/i] even if I doubt that it actually has. Shame that the picture it paints is kinda depressing.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;53074911]That's certainly some context, and I can only hope this conversation wasn't half lies. I'm not about to buy [I]everything[/I] at face value from a stranger I have many clear disagreements with in the first place, but even then, I just hope things aren't that cynical.[/QUOTE] He doesn't have to be lying for what he said to be untrue. We've already established that his perception is skewed. He could earnestly believe that he was persecuted or mistreated, and there's probably even a grain of truth in there. His understanding of how past events played out probably differs from how everyone else perceived them. Again, what's more likely, that a guy that's already shown poor judgement in multiple ways was unfairly persecuted for his personal and political beliefs and hundreds of people were wrong, OR a guy that's already shown poor judgement acted with poor judgement and doesn't understand why they got the response they did? Even here, most of his posts are blaming others and attempting to excuse his own actions. I bet he's sincere in his belief that he's been wronged, but I doubt anything he's experienced was on the level of an "atrocity" outside of his own head. He's not going to get anywhere until he's willing to put his critical lens on himself. Also, if you're going into education, it behooves you to learn and understand how the mind works, especially your own. I say this as a fellow educator.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074159]Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.[/QUOTE] oh shit I thought this was a 50's stock image, man with pipe [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] there, back to old Curtis LeMay [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074174]That's fair, but people are taking his story at face value, when I think that we're clearly missing a lot of valuable context here. I've had discussions with genuinely insane people who were conservative in the extreme and I didn't find it anything but interesting. Never would have thought about kicking them off campus, nor would my professors.[/QUOTE] I was never kicked off of campus, I was removed from the class for a day by campus police. And yes, Professor Arenson of Pasadena City College did in fact do this. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53074869]Ah well I take back what I said because this was all clearly here for brownie points and trying to force a narrative of “so much for the tolerant left”[/QUOTE] Like I said, most left leaning people here in Kansas aren't nearly as bad as the monsters I left behind in Cali. I understand why many of you are skeptical of my experience, you can't fathom anyone, let alone a large political group, being so monumentally harsh. Left leaning people in the Midwest and Europe are nowhere near as rabid and cruel as the people that populate California, but I can assure you that they represent the most radical and vitriolic fringes of the otherwise reasonable Left and Democratic Party. I'm not even extremely right leaning to be honest, in regards to most traditional conservative or republican platforms I take some major issues with.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075292]oh shit I thought this was a 50's stock image, man with pipe [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] there, back to old Curtis LeMay [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] I was never kicked off of campus, I was removed from the class for a day by campus police. And yes, Professor Arenson of Pasadena City College did in fact do this. Like I said, most left leaning people here in Kansas aren't nearly as bad as the monsters I left behind in Cali. I understand why many of you are skeptical of my experience, you can't fathom anyone, let alone a large political group, being so monumentally harsh. Left leaning people in the Midwest and Europe are nowhere near as rabid and cruel as the people that populate California, but I can assure you that they represent the most radical and vitriolic fringes of the otherwise reasonable Left and Democratic Party.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure switching your avatar to a man who was pro-segregationist (and arguably white nationalist since he saddled up right next to one) and more or less a part of the Dixiecrat party (who were more or less temporary allies of the American Nazi Party) really refutes that you didn't mindfully choose your avatar to begin with.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53075343]I'm not sure switching your avatar to a man who was pro-segregationist (and arguably white nationalist since he saddled up right next to one) and more or less a part of the Dixiecrat party (who were more or less temporary allies of the American Nazi Party) really refutes that you didn't mindfully choose your avatar to begin with.[/QUOTE] Wasn't he the Strategic Air Command general? [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] Is John Wayne acceptable or was he some closet rapist [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] garry has a trap catgirl c'mon
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075347]Is John Wayne acceptable or was he some closet rapist[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.snopes.com/john-wayne-white-supremacy/"]Quoted in Playboy[/URL]
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53075371][URL="https://www.snopes.com/john-wayne-white-supremacy/"]Quoted in Playboy[/URL][/QUOTE] goddammit we have people with profile pics of Joe "Killin by the Million" Stalin, gimme a pass on John Wayne
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075347]Wasn't he the Strategic Air Command general? [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] Is John Wayne acceptable or was he some closet rapist [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] garry has a trap catgirl c'mon[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCvULMRUq8[/media]
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075372]goddammit we have people with profile pics of Joe Stalin, gimme a pass on John Wayne[/QUOTE] Yeah, but as far as I know none of them are communists or active supporters of his policies. Same with users who have had pictures of Hitler or Mussolini as their avatars. I'm just saying, it's not helping your case, that's all
I really don't want a fictional character avatar [QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53075384] I'm just saying, it's not helping your case, that's all[/QUOTE] Am I on trial for some crime? I think I'm done with this thread, no amount of explication seems to satisfy people. If you wanna chat don't PM me, add me on steam and chat there.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075385]I really don't want a fictional character avatar Am I on trial for some crime?[/QUOTE] You can pick literally any person from the 1950s if you'd like. Yet, you keep picking people and things that directly relate to your posts in this thread, whether it be 'representations of things you might be endorsing of' or 'things you disagree with'. Einstein, for instance, is a fine figure to have an avatar of. Or literally any 1950s celebrity who wasn't a part of or affiliated with segregationist movements, nationalist policies, or advisement to stay out of WWII. Nobody's putting you on trial; we're just questioning whether you're being genuine or not. [quote]I think I'm done with this thread, no amount of explication seems to satisfy people. If you wanna chat don't PM me, add me on steam and chat there.[/quote] :thinking: Yes, because we're difficult to satisfy - or because you keep tripping into nationalist, segregationist, or nazi-affiliated figures -- though Hank Hill is an improvement I guess? (Also speaking of your Steam, I feel obligated to inform you that Johannes Magnus was also a big-time racist and nationalist -- even wrote up propaganda on those lines) [img]https://imgur.com/yDXROas.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53075397] :thinking: Yes, because we're difficult to satisfy - or because you keep tripping into nationalist, segregationist, or nazi-affiliated figures -- though Hank Hill is an improvement I guess?[/QUOTE] how's bob hope? and I remember LeMay as the SAC general, my dad was in aerospace and I remember long trips to the Atomic Testing Museum with the General having a prominent spot in the Early 50's section. [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53075397]You can pick literally any person from the 1950s if you'd like. Yet, you keep picking people and things that directly relate to your posts in this thread, whether it be 'representations of things you might be endorsing of' or 'things you disagree with'. Einstein, for instance, is a fine figure to have an avatar of. Or literally any 1950s celebrity who wasn't a part of or affiliated with segregationist movements, nationalist policies, or advisement to stay out of WWII. Nobody's putting you on trial; we're just questioning whether you're being genuine or not. :thinking: Yes, because we're difficult to satisfy - or because you keep tripping into nationalist, segregationist, or nazi-affiliated figures -- though Hank Hill is an improvement I guess? (Also speaking of your Steam, I feel obligated to inform you that Johannes Magnus was also a big-time racist) [img]https://imgur.com/yDXROas.png[/img][/QUOTE] Iohannhes Magnus is my name in latin, Nagy (see my hungarian name as Nagy Janos) is Hungarian for big (or well built) so I thought it sounded good. Johannes would be German?
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075418]how's bob hope? and I remember LeMay as the SAC general, my dad was in aerospace and I remember long trips to the Atomic Testing Museum with the General having a prominent spot in the Early 50's section. [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] Iohannhes Magnus is my name in latin, Nagy is Hungarian for big (or well built) so I thought it sounded good. Johannes would be German?[/QUOTE] Bob Hope literally got his start in blackface comedy. And I'm sure that link to Johannes Magnus is entirely coincidental. [quote=Johannes Magnus being Johannes Magnus]The work is exceedingly patriotic and suggests that Denmark was populated by convicts exiled from Sweden, a charge drawing a sharp rebuttal from the Danish court.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53075427]Bob Hope literally got his start in blackface comedy. And I'm sure that link to Johannes Magnus is entirely coincidental.[/QUOTE] Bob Hope is one of my fav comedians, I love his Viet Nam tour, our airport in Burbank is named after him.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075430]Bob Hope is one of my fav comedians, I love his Viet Nam tour, our airport in Burbank is named after him.[/QUOTE] Be that as it may, if you're trying to make your avatar someone who doesn't align with racist/nationalist views you seemingly are incapable of doing so aside from your Hank Hill - who still nonetheless is somewhat xenophobic even though he tries to not be racist (which is played for yucks as he's put up against people who epitomize stereotypes). It just doesn't seem genuine that you would rapid-fire go through this many avatar changes and literally each time run directly into characters or figures that are xenophobic, racist, nationalist, or all of the above.
I'm not changing Bob Hope, he was no racist, he was not a hateful or bigoted man. He brought joy to countless service men and women of all races and creeds. He is the only tether to my old home that I can even think of as positive, Johnny Carson maybe.
If stereotypical looking 50's white guy is what you're going for, you couldn't do much better than Rod Sterling.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53075441]I'm not changing Bob Hope, he was no racist, he was not a hateful or bigoted man. He brought joy to countless service men and women of all races and creeds.[/QUOTE] Bob Hope performing in blackface 'wasn't racist'? What? He was also somewhat homophobic and sexist with his comedy, though that wasn't all that unusual for the time. It being not unusual for the time doesn't really forgive it though. We can both recognize that he tried to bring entertainment to the masses and the troops [I]and[/I] recognize that he's done some racist things and homophobic and sexist things. I don't think you should put him on a pedestal just because you 'don't want to hear it'. Weren't you complaining earlier about people putting people on a pedestal and feeling a 'need to bring them down a notch for the hypocrisy' besides? I mean Groucho Marx was a great comedian himself - that doesn't mean he was squeaky clean or that his being a great comedian makes his personal views and the subject matter of his comedy acts not 'up for debate and reinterpretation in modern context'. I've got bad news for you about Johnny Carson too. [quote]In 1977 the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson ran a hideously unfunny and offensive sketch called "Hang a Darkie," that ridicules a black cast member of the classic '70s TV series CPO Sharkey as a "black man" who should be hanged from a tree by Don Rickles[/quote] From the script of that sketch: [quote]*Johnny sees a black man* Hey, a black man! *Johnny walks over to said black man* Hey, yo, black man, how's it going, daddy! *Johnny says to Don Rickles* Hang him.[/quote] When a viewer called to complain about the sketch, Carson ordered it to re-air the next week.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53074159]Why is anyone taking this fucking guy seriously? His profile picture is [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell]George Lincoln Rockwell[/url], the leader and founder of the American Nazi Party. He's *clearly* making up lies and shit, because he very well might be an actual Nazi.[/QUOTE] Like, this dudes story has been consistently escalating as people have been giving him more and more actually useful replies for christs sake. First it was just a few liberals where he lived, then it was every liberal where he lived, then teachers (who almost certainly don't give a fuck about your politics when you're a stupid kid lmao), then his uni, then his (multiple, apparently) therapist. Pretty sure you're all being had.
Bob Hope honestly isn't that bad guys. And I think you guys are taking it to the extreme. It's not about his avatar being problematic, it's because George Lincoln Rockwell was a Nazi. The dude is just trolling you so he can say "Look at how prissy liberals are." How are you falling for this?
Next time somebody freaks out about the "liberal agenda" show them this thread. Because the real liberal agenda is trying to calmly rehabilitate an angry guy who disagrees with you for four fucking pages.
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