Immigrants walk on highways to Calais pelting truckdrivers with rocks - General

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197431]And have you been in every country, in every city, in every refugee camp or even half of them, or even 1%? How can you judge everybody based on what you've seen with your own two eyes and heard with your own ears?[/QUOTE] By that logic, you are also in no position to say the problems do not exist either. You also have not seen 1% of the cities or refugeecamps. And when I do show you an insight into what's happening, like the video above, you feel like you have to fiercely defend it. I also think it's unfair of you to focus on Kweh, whilst you could also have a discussion with me, because I have invested time and money to know what I'm talking about, yet I share his point of view.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197426]Yeah it will intensify because of xenophobic people who are too busy going "not my problem, I refuse to help" to work together to integrate these people and take care of them. They're running from a war-zone and you are refusing to help them because of things you've heard.[/QUOTE] So I guess syrians are too posh to fight for their countries aswell huh? Nevermind countries that conscript people in case of war. Too good for the bigger breadcrumbs from other countries, and too good to fight for what is theirs. Keep in mind, we ARE talking about the ones from the video, for example, not women and children. Better yet, as Rumbler said, why shouldn't I ask you for sources on how there are refugees that are glad they are getting help in Europe? I don't because its obviously that there are people who are thankful, but this obviously works two ways bud.

[QUOTE=kweh;49197467]So I guess syrians are too posh to fight for their countries aswell huh? Nevermind countries that conscript people in case of war. Too good for the bigger breadcrumbs from other countries, and too good to fight for what is theirs. Keep in mind, we ARE talking about the ones from the video, for example, not women and children.[/QUOTE] Oh right why are they not going back and going into war for one of the factions? Cause what we need is more people fighting.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;49197250]The 5 minute mark. Driver is genuinely angry.[/QUOTE] I'd be angry too, I'm not sure what truck driving is like in Europe, but in the US I've heard that its an extremely stressful job due to super tight deadlines and regulations, I'm pretty sure like 90% of truck drivers only get like 4 hours of sleep a night also.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49197441]Yeah I'm sorry but rubbish like this completely disqualifies you as a discussionalpartner. Did you not just read that I am volunteering my time at refugeeshelters, and that I've been actively helping to integrate people for the last 8 years?[/QUOTE] start with arbitrary excuse not to talk to someone marinade in passive-aggressive personal insults dash of as much self-gratification as you feel is necessary slow bake at 250° until thoroughly not racist [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This isn't how you're supposed to argue - Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49197463]By that logic, you are also in no position to say the problems do not exist either. You also have not seen 1% of the cities or refugeecamps. And when I do show you an insight into what's happening, like the video above, you feel like you have to fiercely defend it. I also think it's unfair of you to focus on Kweh, whilst you could also have a discussion with me, because I have invested time and money to know what I'm talking about, yet I share his point of view.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they do not exist, where did you get that from?

As soon as I heard the driver say kurva I knew this would be a good video

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197426]Yeah it will intensify because of xenophobic people who are too busy going "not my problem, I refuse to help" to work together to integrate these people and take care of them. They're running from a war-zone and you are refusing to help them because of things you've heard.[/QUOTE] What about the case that some immigrants are incredibly xenophobic themselves to the point that it is not a uncommon occurence that fights between groups of immigrants break out in refugee centers? Speaking of which, isn't Sweden in huge fucking crap right now since they have run out of places, beds and people/volunteers (and probably money as well) to accommodate for any more refugees/immigrants while the Vice Prime Minister is fucking tearing up during the press conference about it? [video=youtube;GmuqusBOfuo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmuqusBOfuo[/video] Seriously, get your shit together, Sweden.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197476]Oh right why are they not going back and going into war for one of the factions? Cause what we need is more people fighting.[/QUOTE] Nevermind the people who did in the past and only got out of it stronger. Granted there were casualties one way or the other, but hey, throwing rocks at people is better!

[QUOTE=Cone;49197480]start with arbitrary excuse not to talk to someone marinade in passive-aggressive personal insults dash of as much self-gratification as you feel is necessary slow bake at 250° until thoroughly not racist[/QUOTE] The recipe to a Rumbler™ Thread™ [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197403]I happily share my money when I pay taxes, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for everyone because I'm not the 1%... The whole point of taxes is for the government to help all people, especially in 2015. Hell, if we cut our military spending we could easily house a billion+ immigrants with better housing than I have, but we're instead we're too busy being racist because say half or a majority of refugees aren't good people. I guess Voltare's law "[I]It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" [/I]suddenly stopped existing.[/QUOTE] Are you high? Do you actually do research before you spew misinformation? Listen. Canada is taking in 25,000 refugees. JUST 25,000. The projected plan is going to cost 1.2 billion. This means one family of refugees would require the support from canada in the amount of 48000. What in the world makes you think that the US is capable of taking in a billion plus refugees? Thats absolutely ridiculous and tells me exactly how much you know about whats going on in the world. The US military budget this year was 483 billion. By Canada's standards, considering the US would offer the same amenities and benefits, would look something like 48000000000000 US Dollars. That's 48 Trillion dollars. America's National debt is barely over 18 trillion right now. So that is almost 3 times the fucking national debt of America. Seriously. Check your facts. You have a very weak grasp of politics and math.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197318]I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?[/QUOTE] good job destroying your country if you were the one to do that

Make it clear they won't be allowed in and stop them by force. Only then will these flows stop. Instead we're inviting them in and incentivising their trips with all kinds of economic rewards.

[QUOTE=Cone;49197480]start with arbitrary excuse not to talk to someone marinade in passive-aggressive personal insults dash of as much self-gratification as you feel is necessary slow bake at 250° until thoroughly not racist[/QUOTE] FYI this guy has non-stop been posting anti-immigrant/religion videos/articles and was already banned for it (he often uses very poor sources.) Hes a literal racist and just wants to spread his beliefs to FP, either that or a bad troll/shitposter. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SoBNtyx.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=kweh;49197493]Nevermind the people who did in the past and only got out of it stronger. Granted there were casualties one way or the other, but hey, throwing rocks at people is better![/QUOTE] You keep on supporting war, I am not even going to attempt to convince you that war is bad.

[QUOTE=Cone;49197480]start with arbitrary excuse not to talk to someone marinade in passive-aggressive personal insults dash of as much self-gratification as you feel is necessary slow bake at 250° until thoroughly not racist[/QUOTE] Contribute with nothing to the thread Call out someone on being racist Ignore all secondary problems stemming from the first main problem if focusing on them doesn't helps Repeat a few more times

I had a dude buy something from me, turns out he was a truck driver that had to drive on the same kind of roads you see in the video. He told me that his company started employing two drivers per truck to handle the refugees fuck with their truck. He was also worried of getting a fine when a refugee happened to sneak in his truck, since he would have to pay for that himself.

[QUOTE=kweh;49197509]Contribute with nothing to the thread Call out someone on being racist Ignore all secondary problems stemming from the first main problem if focusing on them doesn't helps Repeat a few more times[/QUOTE] Since the guy is posting nothing but anti-immigrant news and videos, I'm gonna say hes contributing nothing to facepunch but attempting to spread his beliefs to us. 100% of his posts are on immigration involved / terrorism related threads. Hes the definition of a shill who could give two shits less about this community.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49197505]FYI this guy has non-stop been posting anti-immigrant/religion videos/articles and was already banned for it (he often uses very poor sources.) Hes a literal racist and just wants to spread his beliefs to FP, either that or a bad troll/shitposter. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SoBNtyx.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] but he works at a refugeecenter dude please stop spreading misinformation

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197508]You keep on supporting war, I am not even going to attempt to convince you that war is bad.[/QUOTE] Let's keep it all the way it is then. ISIS gets a whole country, grows in it, shits on the rest of the world one place after another, and meanwhile we slowly fuck ourselves by draining resources, patience, and making recipees for disaster in a few countries. Of course war is bad, but what are we supposed to do?

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49197505]FYI this guy has non-stop been posting anti-immigrant/religion videos/articles and was already banned for it (he often uses very poor sources.) Hes a literal racist.[/QUOTE] Don't you think it's a bit unfair to jump to the conclusion that he's a racist simply because he's creating a lot of threads about the refugee situation? Especially considering it's currently such a big issue in Europe.

[QUOTE=kweh;49197531]Let's keep it all the way it is then. ISIS gets a whole country, grows in it, shits on the rest of the world one place after another, and meanwhile we slowly fuck ourselves by draining resources, patience, and making recipees for disaster in a few countries. Of course war is bad, but what are we supposed to do?[/QUOTE] You are telling me we do not have the resources and patience to help a couple million people so we should instead secure our borders, up the military and prepare for war?

I can confirm that this guy is super upset. I would translate, but there isn't much to say really. They keep turning in his side mirrors in an attempt to climb on and get a ride.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49197525]Since the guy is posting nothing but anti-immigrant news and videos, I'm gonna say hes contributing nothing to facepunch but attempting to spread his beliefs to us. 100% of his posts are on immigration involved / terrorism related threads. Hes the definition of a shill.[/QUOTE] IMO, that would be showing the two sides of the same coin. Well, one side... I don't know whats worse though. Him doing that, or the rest constantly asking for credible sources whenever something negative about the refugees is posted and discredited at the spot. Either way, what Cone and MisterSjeiks did contributed with nothing to the thread other than flaming and baiting.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;49197536]Don't you think it's a bit unfair to jump to the conclusion that he's a racist simply because he's creating a lot of threads about the refugee situation, especially when it's currently such a big issue in Europe.[/QUOTE] Literally 100% of his posts are anti-immigration, anti-religion, anti-muslim or extremely right wing in general. I think it's safe to assume that hes a racist. Not every immigrant is a terrorist or looking for trouble. This guy clearly wants to let us know that, considering he has been doing nothing but spamming anti-immigration threads. It takes you two seconds of looking through his posts to know hes far-right and shilling every chance he gets on immigration. Which by the way, I have a question for rumbler, why only start posting from a 2005 in 2015 account to post about anti-immigration?

[QUOTE=kweh;49197547]IMO, that would be showing the two sides of the same coin. Well, one side... I don't know whats worse though. Him doing that, or the rest constantly asking for credible sources whenever something negative about the refugees is posted and discredited at the spot. Either way, what Cone and MisterSjeiks did contributed with nothing to the thread other than flaming and baiting.[/QUOTE] I'm asking for sources to expose people who generalize millions of people based on what they've "seen with my own two eyes and ears"

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197537]You are telling me we do not have the resources and patience to help a couple million people so we should instead secure our borders, up the military and prepare for war?[/QUOTE] Gee, I don't know, maybe even the refugees [b]who are going back to their war-torn countries are also saying it?[/b] Maybe not prepare for war, but even refugees say coming to Europe isn't helping them at all because they can't fit in due to language and conditions not being optimal. And nobody should expect anything else. Who expects hundreds of thousands of people to get good treatment if some countries can't even help out its own people? [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197554]I'm asking for sources to expose people who generalize millions of people based on what they've "seen with my own two eyes and ears"[/QUOTE] Well I'm asking for sources to show the refugees who are actually thankful and not being massive douchebags to the countries that house them. (ffs lol, theres this thread on FP, of all places: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1495168[/url])

[QUOTE=Hellsten;49197536]Don't you think it's a bit unfair to jump to the conclusion that he's a racist simply because he's creating a lot of threads about the refugee situation? Especially considering it's currently such a big issue in Europe.[/QUOTE] That's true. But if you look into his posts within his threads it leaves little doubt [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=kweh;49197561] Well I'm asking for sources to show the refugees who are actually thankful and not being massive douchebags to the countries that house them. (ffs lol, theres this thread on FP, of all places: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1495168[/url])[/QUOTE] || V [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49197505]FYI this guy has non-stop been posting anti-immigrant/religion videos/articles and was already banned for it (he often uses very poor sources.) Hes a literal racist and just wants to spread his beliefs to FP, either that or a bad troll/shitposter. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SoBNtyx.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kweh;49197561]Gee, I don't know, maybe even the refugees [b]who are going back to their war-torn countries are also saying it?[/b] Maybe not prepare for war, but even refugees say coming to Europe isn't helping them at all because they can't fit in due to language and conditions not being optimal. And nobody should expect anything else. Who expects hundreds of thousands of people to get good treatment if some countries can't even help out its own people?[/QUOTE] Because the alternative to helping them out is leaving them to either starve or freeze to death or go back and die in a war? I am willing to bet my own life that if we help them out not even 1% as many people will die as a result compared to if we don't.

[QUOTE=MisterSjeiks;49197579]That's true. But if you look into his posts within his threads it leaves little doubt [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] || V[/QUOTE] The opinion of one isn't really what matters here, unless you base yourself on the opinions of others. It's more about what the articles say.