Immigrants walk on highways to Calais pelting truckdrivers with rocks - General

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198131]I would love to see your attempts at entrepreneurship in the middle of a war zone. I guess maybe[I] you[/I] could sell weapons or children as soldiers or something. The people want to come over here where conditions are better, so they can have money and send money home. Rather than calling me a shitposter, look up the situation causing some of these refugees. Giving other people rights doesn't mean you have less. That's a pi fallacy.[/QUOTE] You somehow think that the west can actually support the standards they live in for the entire population of the globe? You're so idealistic it hurts. Assuming you're not a troll, people like you are going to drive Europe into being yet another second-world shit hole, congratulations. Oh, with the possibility of driving right-wing extremism to the point that they actually become truely xenophobic and racist, terms you seem to exhale with every breath. Your actions have consequences, europe can not handle, nor sustain this, regardless of how much you scream that they have the "right" to enjoy the tax-payer's dollar.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;49198108]Nice try buddy. You're doing a good enough job of being a gimmick though. It's like I'm reading a more subtle, more punchable Sam.[/QUOTE] Sam has an amazing sense of humor, wit, and pranking. I like him for his ted talk or coverage on anime (don't look that one up it might offend you because it's Sam's beliefs.). Not as a political advisor. I like bill Cosby's jokes but I don't approve of rape. I think War of the Worlds was a cool film, but I'm not a Scientologist. My butcher makes good cuts of meat, but I don't take it up the butt. So far no one has attacked my points only me, that's how I know we're winning.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49198019]If someone has to leave their nation and travel across the globe to go to another nation to take advantage of local welfare and cheap jobs, they're probably not the smartest, most virtuous people around.[/QUOTE] "Immigrants are evil and their reasons for emigrating are universally malicious"

DONOR, do you see immigrants that are against mass immigration as race traitors?

[QUOTE=bitches;49198158]"Immigrants are evil and their reasons for emigrating are universally malicious"[/QUOTE] Do you have any actual argument or are you just going to throw logical fallacies around forever

There's so much wrong with this thread I don't even know where to begin "We MUST take care of them no matter if we have any resources." "It's okay, and even necessary, to fuck over natives for the sake of refugees/immigrants." "All right-wingers are racist, xenophobic pieces of shit" What the fuck is wrong with the lot of you? Do you [I]actually[/I] think like this? That everyone who disagrees with you/has a different view on things is automatically racist/xenophobic/some other shitty buzzword? Like, this utter inability to properly argue with someone is almost on the level of flat earth believers and other completely delusional nutjobs. And how none of you realize that all you're doing right now, the cause you're arguing for, is going to end awfully for everyone involved, is astounding. Take off your rose-coloured glasses and fucking face reality for once in your lives. Europe can not and will not handle this. [QUOTE=std DONOR;49198049]Among other things. At best they're just deluded people, at worst they're psychopaths... etc[/QUOTE] You especially fit the stereotype so well, it hurts. I really hope you're trolling at this point, buddy

[QUOTE=bitches;49198158]"Immigrants are evil and their reasons for emigrating are universally malicious"[/QUOTE] "I like to take people's points and replace them with strawmen"

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49198166]Do you have any actual argument or are you just going to throw logical fallacies around forever[/QUOTE] i don't suppose you'll actually explain how exactly you determined that people leaving their original country are "probably not the smartest, most virtuous people around"

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198155]Sam has an amazing sense of humor, wit, and pranking. I like him for his ted talk or coverage on anime (don't look that one up it might offend you because it's Sam's beliefs.). Not as a political advisor. I like bill Cosby's jokes but I don't approve of rape. I think War of the Worlds was a cool film, but I'm not a Scientologist. My butcher makes good cuts of meat, but I don't take it up the butt. So far no one has attacked my points only me, that's how I know we're winning.[/QUOTE] Alright pal. I'm sure you're a big fan of renown White nationalist and mass shooter Samuel Hyde because of his sick pranks. See you on the day of the rope, Mister Goebbels.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198151]whoever said that the driver was racist? whoever said that the driver was wrong to be upset? who are you even talking to?[/QUOTE] I was being ironic about the rascist thing, because everything seems like it's racist over here sometimes. Also this problem in Calais has been going on for a year or two.

[QUOTE=Cone;49197480]start with arbitrary excuse not to talk to someone marinade in passive-aggressive personal insults dash of as much self-gratification as you feel is necessary slow bake at 250° until thoroughly not racist[/QUOTE] 1. See someone making immigration-critical comment. 2. Tell him he's not suggesting any real solution, and is only critical. 3. Guy proposes a few things, and has a founded and rational argument 4. Then go "Oi oi oi aren't you mr. Know it al" I know the frustration must be sky-high cause normally you'd get away with your position just by being able to yell "RACIST" and then you'd not have to actually have a discussion. It's way harder when someone actually has viable arguments right? [editline]28th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=std DONOR;49198049]Among other things. At best they're just deluded people, at worst they're psychopaths. I've dedicated most of my life to fixing my racism and doing good for the world, and thanks to the power of political activism and the internet, I was able to make a change on a large scale. I guess some people just don't need to do good to sleep well at night. I'm not sure if I envy them or despise them. People get latched onto silly things like passports, as if they are aliens disguising themselves as humans. These people come here and depend on us entirely to live. Not everyone can or want to work equally. Thats why they need time. If it were peaceful whites or educated people willing to work I bet you would have zero problems helping them. Another term to google today is "double standards".[/QUOTE] I love how you now just bare it all and show that you're truly a nut. It wouldn't have mattered what I would've said, you're see deeply buried that you're blind to anything that opposes what you say. Sad and hilarious at the same time.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198181]i don't suppose you'll actually explain how exactly you determined that people leaving their original country are "probably not the smartest, most virtuous people around"[/QUOTE] Because if you have actual qualifications you don't have to run that far to get a job Syria is at war but not the entire country is a warzone. It's surrounded in nations that aren't at war, and that aren't as culturally dissonant from Syria as most European countries. The people who try to cross the Mediterranean and reach Europe do so because of the stereotype that Europe = Welfare, and that Europe = Free shit, a stereotype perpetrated both by smugglers and by countries like Sweden who blindly soak in as many refugees as they can, despite the clear lack of infrastructure to take them in. Saudi Arabia exists. North Africa exists. There are plenty of places outside of Europe with enough space and resources to, if anything, set up a farm and sell product at a local market.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198155]Sam has an amazing sense of humor, wit, and pranking. I like him for his ted talk or coverage on anime (don't look that one up it might offend you because it's Sam's beliefs.). Not as a political advisor. I like bill Cosby's jokes but I don't approve of rape. I think War of the Worlds was a cool film, but I'm not a Scientologist. My butcher makes good cuts of meat, but I don't take it up the butt. So far no one has attacked my points only me, that's how I know we're winning.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I addressed your shitty points entirely. You chose to ignore that post for some reason.... You identify as a swede but you live in america and you STILL have no idea about the state of the american financial situation. Exclaiming that the states could support a billion plus refugees?? That statement is what makes you completely discredited and is largely the reason why people are attacking you and not your points. Your points are simply so mindless and convoluted in a sense of do goodery that it makes less than zero sense in reality. also, check this link out: [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/[/URL] Thats a subreddit devoted to a profile that makes a mockery of ignorant people posting comments on websites. You remind me exactly of kenM. The only difference is your not joking. Which makes it totally unfunny and kind of scary.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;49198186]Alright pal. I'm sure you're a big fan of renown White nationalist and mass shooter Samuel Hyde because of his sick pranks. See you on the day of the rope, Mister Goebbels.[/QUOTE] I don't know what point you're trying to get across. Is this a quote from one of his more racist videos? It feels like you pick up every other word and toss up some word salad in your head. I just stated I like him for his humor. Are you implying I am also lieing about not being a homosexual-rapist-Scientologist? Because if so, you've crossed a line.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198057][img]http://foxcock.me/web/images/ShareX/2015_11/2015-11-27_13-24-48.png[/img] nine threads in one week one about "hollandistan", complaining that a mosque is being built another locked about a fake video demonizing immigrants what good points you have are cast into major suspicion when you try so hard to make yourself look racist[/QUOTE] Yup, I'm invested in this discussion since it makes up a very large part of my daily life. Sue me. The one locked wasn't a fake video about demonizing immigrants. It was a video just like this, to give insight in the current situation that most people don't bother to look-up, and to illustrate a point. Except for I was mistaken about which terrorist attack in Paris it was about. I thought it was the recent one, except for it was the one in January and BDA banned me. I admitted to it being the 'wrong' terrorist attack, as soon as I confirmed it for myself. Love how the fact that it doesn't matter which attack it was about didn't even make a difference to the point I was making. So that's it then? Proof I'm racist? I'll be sure to tell the people in the refugeecamp tomorrow that I'm a no-good racist. [quote]when the only thing you post on this website is political rhetoric, holy shit you are annoying your only purpose on this website is to advance your views on immigration, so given your questionable threads and behavior, there is no reason to believe your tales of humanitarian aid that you use to deflect criticism[/QUOTE] Hilarious. I'm on a forum and I post about politics. Bet his tales of humanitarian aid are a lie lol. Meanwhile, you as the self-envision knight of Valor is sitting at home not doing anything for actual refugees except for calling people on the internet racist. Well done, you're an acquisition for society!

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198211]I don't know what point you're trying to get across. Is this a quote from one of his more racist videos? It feels like you pick up every other word and toss up some word salad in your head. I just stated I like him for his humor. Are you implying I am also lieing about being a homosexual-rapist-Scientologist? Because if so, you've crossed a line.[/QUOTE] Only the strong will survive. [img]http://imgkk.com/i/2yah.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49198208]Because if you have actual qualifications you don't have to run that far to get a job Syria is at war but not the entire country is a warzone. It's surrounded in nations that aren't at war, and that aren't as culturally dissonant from Syria as most European countries. The people who try to cross the Mediterranean and reach Europe do so because of the stereotype that Europe = Welfare, and that Europe = Free shit, a stereotype perpetrated both by smugglers and by countries like Sweden who blindly soak in as many refugees as they can, despite the clear lack of infrastructure to take them in. Saudi Arabia exists. North Africa exists. There are plenty of places outside of Europe with enough space and resources to, if anything, set up a farm and sell product at a local market.[/QUOTE] can you blame anyone for fearing the expansion of violence to nearby regions, or for taking the best offer they are granted? is someone evil or "not virtuous" because they accepted an offer from your government? can you prove that most people accepting that offer are uninterested in acquiring a job? and "qualifications" is a ridiculous statement to base someone's humanitarian aid on

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49198210]Honestly, I addressed your shitty points entirely. You chose to ignore that post for some reason.... You identify as a swede but you live in america and you STILL have no idea about the state of the american financial situation. Exclaiming that the states could support a billion plus refugees?? That statement is what makes you completely discredited and is largely the reason why people are attacking you and not your points. Your points are simply so mindless and convoluted in a sense of do goodery that it makes less than zero sense in reality. also, check this link out: [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/[/URL] Thats a subreddit devoted to a profile that makes a mockery of ignorant people posting comments on websites. You remind me exactly of kenM. The only difference is your not joking. Which makes it totally unfunny and kind of scary.[/QUOTE] It was stupid of me to assume you'd fill in the gaps and see the bigger picture. I guess maybe we would start having a problem if there were a literal billion claimed refugees. I would put the figure closer to 5-10 million? In the current state of affairs I suppose your inefficient crony-capitalist system would buckle under that figure. While we're swapping links I've found the perfect hug-box for you. [url]https://voat.co/v/Niggers[/url] Even if I can't reason, I guess time will tell assuming you guys don't decide to off and kill us...

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198245]It was stupid of me to assume you'd fill in the gaps and see the bigger picture. I guess maybe we would start having a problem if there were a literal billion claimed refugees. I would put the figure closer to 5-10 million? In the current state of affairs I suppose your inefficient crony-capitalist system would buckle under that figure. While we're swapping links I've found the perfect hug-box for you. [url]https://voat.co/v/Niggers[/url] Even if I can't reason, I guess time will tell assuming you guys don't decide to off and kill us...[/QUOTE] Good boy. Ignore my posts where I actually give you a discussion that you're losing and focus on a new target on which to shove your accusations of racism. Awesome. Bet the refugees and immigrants love you, with all good and upstanding work you're doing for them.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49198224] So that's it then? Proof I'm racist? I'll be sure to tell the people in the refugeecamp tomorrow that I'm a no-good racist. Hilarious. I'm on a forum and I post about politics. Bet his tales of humanitarian aid are a lie lol. Meanwhile, you as the self-envision knight of Valor is sitting at home not doing anything for actual refugees except for calling people on the internet racist. Well done, you're an acquisition for society![/QUOTE] You missed my point. I didn't say that you're a racist. I said that your actions discredit you to those who don't already agree with you (those that you are trying to sway to your point of view). I'm saying that if you want to be taken seriously and change minds, you have to do better.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198158]"Immigrants are evil and their reasons for emigrating are universally malicious"[/QUOTE] Nobody said this? However, questioning their credibility as refugees when they've passed through dozens of countries willing to help them and the fact that they have rejected aid to fast-track their trip to Germany is quite justified. Refugees in South America demanded they get sent back to Lebanon over low wages and refugees in the Netherlands have demanded they be sent back to Lebanon or to another western European country over a lack of TVs. [QUOTE=NotMeh;49198172] You especially fit the stereotype so well, it hurts. I really hope you're trolling at this point, buddy[/QUOTE] Troll or not a troll. Hard questions. Honestly, people like this exist in great numbers so I'm on the Not a troll side.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49198285]Nobody said this? However, questioning their credibility as refugees when they've passed through dozens of countries willing to help them and the fact that they have rejected aid to fast-track their trip to Germany is quite justified. Refugees in South America demanded they get sent back to Lebanon over low wages and refugees in the Netherlands have demanded they be sent back to Lebanon or to another western European country over a lack of TVs.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying your arguments are necessarily wrong, but that they need to be worded constructively. Why should anyone change their mind when presented with no evidence to notions? You've supplied some evidence now, but what are you interpreting from it? What proportion of immigrants have displayed that behavior?

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49198260]Good boy. Ignore my posts where I actually give you a discussion that you're losing and focus on a new target on which to shove your accusations of racism. Awesome. Bet the refugees and immigrants love you, with all good and upstanding work you're doing for them.[/QUOTE] Sorry, with all these attacks I have to focus on the ones that come closest to making points. You want me to adress this? [QUOTE=Rumbler;49198260]I love how you now just bare it all and show that you're truly a nut. It wouldn't have mattered what I would've said, you're see deeply buried that you're blind to anything that opposes what you say. Sad and hilarious at the same time.[/QUOTE] Acualy u r a nut and blind Any other "discussions"? Also most of the refugees I've met love and embrace me, mutually. I've talked to a few and all of them say they have good intentions and that they just want our money.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198245]It was stupid of me to assume you'd fill in the gaps and see the bigger picture. I guess maybe we would start having a problem if there were a literal billion claimed refugees. I would put the figure closer to 5-10 million? In the current state of affairs I suppose your inefficient crony-capitalist system would buckle under that figure. While we're swapping links I've found the perfect hug-box for you. [url]https://voat.co/v/Niggers[/url] Even if I can't reason, I guess time will tell assuming you guys don't decide to off and kill us...[/QUOTE] You are either desperate to be on some moral high-ground or are one of the more interesting trolls.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198234]can you blame anyone for fearing the expansion of violence to nearby regions, or for taking the best offer they are granted? is someone evil or "not virtuous" because they accepted an offer from your government? can you prove that most people accepting that offer are uninterested in acquiring a job? and "qualifications" is a ridiculous statement to base someone's humanitarian aid on[/QUOTE] Yo mate this may sound like super weird to you and all since I doubt you ever leave your house but there is such a thing as a "simple, rural lifestyle" and that "simple, rural lifestyle" applies to [I]any place on earth[/I] that's got good soil, which is pretty much anywhere but the polar circles and the dead center of the desert. Living a shitty life in a tent begging for money in a polluted urban center isn't exactly a dream to live by. These people aren't expecting such shit conditions when they immigrate, because they're not told about the lack of housing, or the lack of jobs, or the fact they won't get free shit and welfare without papers, or the fact that (illegal) immigrants don't exactly have a lot of rights. The truth is that if you want to live in an urban environment you [I]need[/I] to have these qualifications that you consider an affront to human rights. There's only so many cleaning, maintenance and otherwise unqualified jobs people can take before every store and office runs out of cheap unqualified jobs to give. A good portion of these people could just as easily reach Maghreb or even some parts of the middle east and set up (or work for) a farm and get a decent living that way.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49198322]Yo mate this may sound like super weird to you and all since I doubt you ever leave your house but there is such a thing as a "simple, rural lifestyle" and that "simple, rural lifestyle" applies to [I]any place on earth[/I] that's got good soil, which is pretty much anywhere but the polar circles and the dead center of the desert.[/quote] off to a lovely start with dumb insults really changing minds there, mhm [quote]Living a shitty life in a tent begging for money in a polluted urban center isn't exactly a dream to live by. These people aren't expecting such shit conditions when they immigrate, because they're not told about the lack of housing, or the lack of jobs, or the fact they won't get free shit and welfare without papers, or the fact that (illegal) immigrants don't exactly have a lot of rights.[/quote] so because they were not told that they would arrive to less than they had hoped for, they are "less virtuous"? how does this support your point at all? [quote]The truth is that if you want to live in an urban environment you [I]need[/I] to have these qualifications that you consider an affront to human rights. There's only so many cleaning, maintenance and otherwise unqualified jobs people can take before every store and office runs out of cheap unqualified jobs to give.[/quote] nice strawman, or just bad reading comprehension

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49198245]It was stupid of me to assume you'd fill in the gaps and see the bigger picture. I guess maybe we would start having a problem if there were a literal billion claimed refugees. I would put the figure closer to 5-10 million? In the current state of affairs I suppose your inefficient crony-capitalist system would buckle under that figure. While we're swapping links I've found the perfect hug-box for you. [url]https://voat.co/v/Niggers[/url] Even if I can't reason, I guess time will tell assuming you guys don't decide to off and kill us...[/QUOTE] You're insane. I don't even think you understand what you're posting yourself. What's the bigger picture? that you're backpedalling from your initial projected number of refugees? And by Crony-capitalist system do you mean the same system that America opperates under? What are you trying to prove? Lets do more math shall we? So taking your new numbers into consideration, using the same numbers that would Canada uses, you know, considering the cost to support refugees only changes based on the worth of the dollar, 10 million refugees would require the support in the number of 480 million dollars. Which, give or take 3 million is the ENTIRE US military budget for 2015. So. What have we learned? You're still bad at math, you're still bad at politics, you're still bad are proposing arguments based in reality, and above all now we know that youre xenophobic yourself with that link you just posted. I can't believe im still wasting my time posting to you.

[QUOTE=bitches;49198343]off to a lovely start with dumb insults etc[/QUOTE] You're literally ignoring my points and instead pointing out logical fallacies (which, by the way, is a logical fallacy of its own). I can't even respond properly because I don't actually have a good idea of what your opinion is, other than the fact you visibly disagree with me.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49198224]Yup, I'm invested in this discussion since it makes up a very large part of my daily life. Sue me. The one locked wasn't a fake video about demonizing immigrants. It was a video just like this, to give insight in the current situation that most people don't bother to look-up, and to illustrate a point. Except for I was mistaken about which terrorist attack in Paris it was about. I thought it was the recent one, except for it was the one in January and BDA banned me. I admitted to it being the 'wrong' terrorist attack, as soon as I confirmed it for myself. Love how the fact that it doesn't matter which attack it was about didn't even make a difference to the point I was making. So that's it then? Proof I'm racist? I'll be sure to tell the people in the refugeecamp tomorrow that I'm a no-good racist. Hilarious. I'm on a forum and I post about politics. Bet his tales of humanitarian aid are a lie lol. Meanwhile, you as the self-envision knight of Valor is sitting at home not doing anything for actual refugees except for calling people on the internet racist. Well done, you're an acquisition for society![/QUOTE] Honestly if the only thing you can offer to this community is pushing right wing views using literally anything you can find, then your dumb. Honestly what were you expecting on a majority left-wing forum. [editline]a[/editline] P.S I still think hes a racist, regardless if he says hes not. "Hes giving us insight" is total bullshit. The entire reason he is on this forum is to post anti-immigration threads, and his posts and his threads prove that. If he was already a part of the community and actively posted elsewhere I wouldn't believe that, but he doesn't.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49198351]You're insane. I don't even think you understand what you're posting yourself. What's the bigger picture? that you're backpedalling from your initial projected number of refugees? And by Crony-capitalist system do you mean the same system that America opperates under? What are you trying to prove? Lets do more math shall we? So taking your new numbers into consideration, using the same numbers that would Canada uses, you know, considering the cost to support refugees only changes based on the worth of the dollar, 10 million refugees would require the support in the number of 480 million dollars. Which, give or take 3 million is the ENTIRE US military budget for 2015. So. What have we learned? You're still bad at math, you're still bad at politics, you're still bad are proposing arguments based in reality, and above all now we know that youre xenophobic yourself with that link you just posted. I can't believe im still wasting my time posting to you.[/QUOTE] I don't even know what to say if that fits your definition of back-pedalling. Also I was talking about the United States to begin with. I need to stop being implicit with you guys. Earlier in the thread I said the US defence budget could house the figure of refugees, and within a 3 million dollar error-margin, I was right. That must have been a whole page ago wow! I shouldn't have to explain that I'm not a big fan of the subreddit niggers, but that goes back to the whole implicity thing. The big picture is progess, another foreign concept I'm sure to racists. You deserve a gold medal for these mental-gymnastics... So what have we learned? You have amnesia...? You shouldn't waste your time posting at all if you aren't cognizant.