I've only seen one episode so far and it's amazing.
Shame Netflix doesn't have them, seems to be a series you have to watch in order.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31480860]It's before the scene where walter and skylar are talking about the champagne.
[sp] Also I think he's watching Jesse's house, since you can see that plant growing on the wall arch thing that's at Jesse's house. [/sp]
[IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/116ryjd.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Second episode in a row with a nighttime scene involving Tyrus where no one knows what actually happened.
Holy fuck, I feel terrible for Jesse
[QUOTE=GodKing;31478690]He needs to man up. You're a major meth manufacturer/dealer, this is the world you live in, deal with it or GTFO.[/QUOTE]
Nah Breaking Bad is deeper than that. Jesse heard a little boy getting killed by drug dealers, witnessed them dying, before he has witnessed and experienced a lot, then he shot Gale in the head, gave the girl he met at rehab a lot of money, and now works in the most illegal workplace where a fucking camera follows them.
So, Jesse is fucking.. I don't know, crazy. He earns a living with only a fraction of his pay, and the rest of the money he just burns away by throwing it at junkies living in his house and he doesn't even give a shit. He watches junkies fucking burn the money of a highly structured super meth business.
This is one hell of a season.
[QUOTE=GodKing;31478690]How is he pointless? He's 1/2 the reason Walt is even doing what he's doing in the first place.
[editline]1st August 2011[/editline]
He needs to man up. You're a major meth manufacturer/dealer, this is the world you live in, deal with it or GTFO.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he's acting all reckless and partying all the time because he feels as though his days are numbered and he could be killed at any time so he's living in the moment - throwing all his money away etc
[editline]2nd August 2011[/editline]
In addition to being screwed up by all the stuff that's happened
[QUOTE=James*;31489346]Pretty sure he's acting all reckless and partying all the time because he feels as though his days are numbered and he could be killed at any time so he's living in the moment - throwing all his money away etc
[editline]2nd August 2011[/editline]
In addition to being screwed up by all the stuff that's happened[/QUOTE]
I think he just doesn't want to be alone, because he will be left without distractions and will have to feel the pain of killing an innocent man. He tolerated getting his house messed up because that's better than feeling alone to him. Also the state of Jesse's house can sort of represent his mental state or something.
A SURVEILLANCE CAMERA!?
This season is really terrible so far. They need to axe this Gus storyline ASAP, it's been dragging on for [i]WAY[/i] too long.
This show is getting stagnant. Season four is bringing nothing new to the table, the story is dead in the water. Jesse feels guilty, Walt is scared, Hank is depressed, Marie is a kleptomaniac and a compulsive liar. We know these things already. Every episode is just [i]reminding[/i] us of those things rather than driving the story forward.
I understand that these characters are complex and real, I can appreciate that you've made them all seem [i]human[/i]. Hell, the human element is what made the first two seasons of the show so damn good, but the story stops being interesting when the story just becomes those characters wrestling with their emotions. The writing is still top-notch; the dialog is excellent, the characters motivations are clear, their emotional struggles and conflicts make perfect sense considering the things they've been through, but something needs to actually [i]happen[/i] to drive this story forward, because we can't just continue watching them deal with the [i]same exact problems[/i] they've been dealing with since the end of Season 2.
We need new antagonists, new story arcs, new threats, new challenges, and new successes. Watching every character in the show simply stew in misery has worn me out. If they don't break this cycle soon, it's going to lose me.
This story arc has gone on for far, far too long, and far too little has actually happened to justify its length.
What? This storyline has only been going on for a couple of episodes. It wasn't until the season 3 finale that Gus was actually trying to kill Walter, the entire rest of that season was building him up as a character and essentially setting the scene for this to happen. The show has a brilliant pace, which is all about setting things up and then delivering the payoff. I guarantee you that when Walt does kill Gus, it'll be more exciting and shocking than it could ever have been if he just did it in episode 1 of the season.
[QUOTE=stepat201;31501966]What? This storyline has only been going on for a couple of episodes. It wasn't until the season 3 finale that Gus was actually trying to kill Walter, the entire rest of that season was building him up as a character and essentially setting the scene for this to happen. The show has a brilliant pace, which is all about setting things up and then delivering the payoff. I guarantee you that when Walt does kill Gus, it'll be more exciting and shocking than it could ever have been if he just did it in episode 1 of the season.[/QUOTE]
The entirety of Season 3 was built around the same struggles that Season 4 has so-far displayed: Walter and Gus both needed one another, but didn't trust each other; Jesse is stricken with guilt over having caused the death of a loved-one; Hank is sinking into depression and obsession as he fights to justify his life; Marie is acting out for attention because she's losing touch with her distant husband. They spent all season building tension in those story arcs until, finally, the season ended on an explosive and climactic note, signalling the point where the entire arc should have been resolved so they could start building a new one. Instead of driving forward and developing new challenges, they're simply rebuilding the old ones.
Walt and Gus [i]continue[/i] to maneuver against each other. Jesse [i]still[/i] feels guilty. Hank is [i]still[/i] depressed and angry. Marie is [i]still[/i] struggling with her cold and distant husband. Rather than driving these arcs to a conclusion, like they should have, they're simply reasserting them. Walt and Gus are [i]more[/i] at ends. Jesse is [i]more[/i] guilty. Hank is [i]more[/i] depressed. Marie is [i]more[/i] perturbed.
You see what I'm trying to say, here? We need to finally put a lid on these challenges so that they can develop into something new and interesting. Walt needs to finally win out over Gus, Jesse needs to come to terms with his guilt, Hank needs to find a new purpose in life and give his wife the attention she craves, and everybody needs to move the hell on into something new.
That's how it feels on my end, anyway.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;31502107]The entirety of Season 3 was built around the same struggles that Season 4 has so-far displayed: Walter and Gus both needed one another, but didn't trust each other; Jesse is stricken with guilt over having caused the death of a loved-one; Hank is sinking into depression and obsession as he fights to justify his life; Marie is acting out for attention because she's losing touch with her distant husband. They spent all season building tension in those story arcs until, finally, the season ended on an explosive and climactic note, signalling the point where the entire arc should have been resolved so they could start building a new one. Instead of driving forward and developing new challenges, they're simply rebuilding the old ones.
Walt and Gus [i]continue[/i] to maneuver against each other. Jesse [i]still[/i] feels guilty. Hank is [i]still[/i] depressed and angry. Marie is [i]still[/i] struggling with her cold and distant husband. Rather than driving these arcs to a conclusion, like they should have, they're simply reasserting them. Walt and Gus are [i]more[/i] at ends. Jesse is [i]more[/i] guilty. Hank is [i]more[/i] depressed. Marie is [i]more[/i] perturbed.
You see what I'm trying to say, here? We need to finally put a lid on these challenges so that they can develop into something new and interesting. Walt needs to finally win out over Gus, Jesse needs to come to terms with his guilt, Hank needs to find a new purpose in life and give his wife the attention she craves, and everybody needs to move the hell on into something new.
That's how it feels on my end, anyway.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean, but I feel you should just hold on and see what happens, the writers aren't stupid. Looking at the next episode's preview, it seems like the plot is about to move forward. The character development so far has been completely necessary, I think.
It's not simply "they're even MORE struggled", it's about how struggled they were before and how the events at the end of season 3 managed to fuck most characters over bit time, which this 3 episodes have showed beautifully. For example, Jesse and Hank are at a breaking point, both of them looking for distractions but in the end something will come out of it, like Hank looking into the superlab and Jesse's finger prints being found or whatever it was.
Also, there's the cartel side story, which has been building up since season 2 I think, which seems to be about to come up as well.
[QUOTE=Hmn30;31510939]I see what you mean, but I feel you should just hold on and see what happens, the writers aren't stupid. Looking at the next episode's preview, it seems like the plot is about to move forward. The character development so far has been completely necessary, I think.
It's not simply "they're even MORE struggled", it's about how struggled they were before and how the events at the end of season 3 managed to fuck most characters over bit time, which this 3 episodes have showed beautifully. For example, Jesse and Hank are at a breaking point, both of them looking for distractions but in the end something will come out of it, like Hank looking into the superlab and Jesse's finger prints being found or whatever it was.
Also, there's the cartel side story, which has been building up since season 2 I think, which seems to be about to come up as well.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm hoping something comes of it soon. I'm not ready to give up on the show or anything, but they're starting to push the limits of my patience with what feels like pointless filler episodes. The events of the last three episodes could have [i]easily[/i] been condensed into a single episode without losing any important information. If the rest of the season proves to be Walt and Gus just maneuvering against each other in between pointless monologues (see: Fly--the worst episode of the series), I won't be returning for season five, as I just don't find this particular direction to be very interesting. In order to retain my attention they're going to have to axe Gus quickly and move on to a new challenge--such as Walt taking control of Gus's Empire and dealing with the challenges of being a [i]real[/i] kingpin. Something like that would definitely revitalize the show for me because it leaves a lot of room open for new arcs to develop.
Uhh.. Walt taking over the whole drug trade might not be the thing to expect..
I like this new season, it has started out great (a little weird at first) but it just clearly shows how far they've come and now it's just deadly serious business. I like it.
I especially like what's going on with Jesse, albeit it seems like he's just gonna jump in with the rest of the junkies but I don't think so. He's smarter than that now.
This is honestly in my top 3 best shows of all time. Cant wait until the new episode.
I realize that lately I haven't been posting in this thread simply because I haven't seen anything worth discussing in the new episodes. The first left me thinking "Wow, this is going to get intense, fast" but the last two have really come as filler stories.
Breaking Bad is a great show, but like BDA said, they should've moved on by now.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;31515951]Uhh.. Walt taking over the whole drug trade might not be the thing to expect..
I like this new season, it has started out great (a little weird at first) but it just clearly shows how far they've come and now it's just deadly serious business. I like it.
I especially like what's going on with Jesse, albeit it seems like he's just gonna jump in with the rest of the junkies but I don't think so. He's smarter than that now.[/QUOTE]
Well according to the first few trailers, "walt is no longer in danger, he IS the danger" (which is btw the best line the writers have written ever), so that might actually happen.
I know it sounds silly, but I hope this is the last season. I would had hate to see it drag on and become super drawn out.
Mr. BDA, just be patient. <:)
[QUOTE=CKT89;31520037]I know it sounds silly, but I hope this is the last season. I would had hate to see it drag on and become super drawn out.
[/QUOTE]
nah dawg fuck that
i want this to go on for at least 2 more seasons
The fifth season is confirmed to be the last. Although, news broke yesterday that AMC wants the last season to only be a few episodes long, to save money, so if Vince Gilligan can't reach a deal with them for a full-length fifth season he apparently might move the show to another network, but if he does that he'll be forced to run the show for a couple of years more. Hope that doesn't happen, though it's unlikely.
[QUOTE=stepat201;31520980]The fifth season is confirmed to be the last. Although, news broke yesterday that AMC wants the last season to only be a few episodes long, to save money, so if Vince Gilligan can't reach a deal with them for a full-length fifth season he apparently might move the show to another network, but if he does that he'll be forced to run the show for a couple of years more. Hope that doesn't happen, though it's unlikely.[/QUOTE]
well yeah i'd rather the show end the way they currently have planned then for them to have to kinda make some more stuff up
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;31521581]well yeah i'd rather the show end the way they currently have planned then for them to have to kinda make some more stuff up[/QUOTE]
They launch a Breaking Bad spin-off starring Walt Junior and Skinny Pete.
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Skinny Pete would do the Chemistry, Walt Jr. would work the streets.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;31526931]They launch a Breaking Bad spin-off starring Walt Junior and Skinny Pete.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/Giancarlo_Esposito_325x200.jpg[/img]
I think they could kill Gus off if they managed to string that into the DEA/Hank hunting Walt down or maybe Walt somehow manages to give Gus up to the DEA without getting himself caught.
[QUOTE=stepat201;31520980]The fifth season is confirmed to be the last. Although, news broke yesterday that AMC wants the last season to only be a few episodes long, to save money, so if Vince Gilligan can't reach a deal with them for a full-length fifth season he apparently might move the show to another network, but if he does that he'll be forced to run the show for a couple of years more. Hope that doesn't happen, though it's unlikely.[/QUOTE]
Any sources?
I just hope they don't cancel breaking bad over that, I'd be fucking PISSED. It's ironic how their slogan is "story matters here" when they're willing to sacrifice a great story for money.
[QUOTE=Hmn30;31529417]Any sources?
I just hope they don't cancel breaking bad over that, I'd be fucking PISSED. It's ironic how their slogan is "story matters here" when they're willing to sacrifice a great story for money.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2011/08/03/which-is-worse-much-less-breaking-bad-or-much-more/[/url]
[quote]The story over AMC's feud with the Sony studio over Breaking Bad broke while I was just getting to press tour, but for those of you who haven't heard about it: things are getting tense between network and studio over the fifth and ostensibly final season of the show. The makers of Breaking Bad want a full season to wrap things up; AMC—which has been involved in one run-in after another with its shows (linked to money among other things)—reportedly wants Vince Gilligan and crew to wrap things up in a severely shortened season, presumably to save a few bucks.
The conflict has apparently led Sony to explore the possibility of taking the show to another network. Which is where the twist that interests me most would figure in: no network is likely to want to buy a show for a single season. So we're looking at Gilligan planning two possible futures for Breaking Bad, one in which everything wraps up in a handful of episodes, one in which the story goes on for years more.
Which one would be better? As a big fan of the show, you would think I'd say, "More! More! More!" But I feel that Breaking Bad is like The Shield, a show whose moral complications and cat-and-mouse games can't go on forever without feeling contrived. I would hope that one final season to end the story of Walter White would give us a Breaking Bad working at its highest level yet, as the last season of The Shield did.
If Breaking Bad goes elsewhere (FX, which originally considered it? Showtime? DirecTV? HBO would not want a show it doesn't own), then it means figuring out ways to keep Walt in a life of crime, danger and moral decay for years. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you risk piling on the can-you-top-this twists beyond the point of believability; the reason, I figure, why Gilligan's preference is five and out.
Obviously five full seasons is my ideal, and I suspect that a forcibly abbreviated last season to save AMC some cash would mar the show's legacy (and drag down AMC's brand, by the way). But I ask you, Breaking Badlanders: if you have to choose between a shortened final season five or two, three, or even more years of Breaking Bad (on a network that may just want to drag the show out until the ratings give), which do you pick?
Read more: [url]http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2011/08/03/which-is-worse-much-less-breaking-bad-or-much-more/#ixzz1U5g6I2QN[/url][/quote]
But apparently today they bumped the offer back up to 13 episodes, so I don't think it's going anywhere. Apparently the show costs 3.2 million per episode, which is surprising.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;31526931]They launch a Breaking Bad spin-off starring Walt Junior and Skinny Pete.
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Skinny Pete would do the Chemistry, Walt Jr. would work the streets.[/QUOTE]
And then another spinoff with Badger.
[i]Life with Badger[/i]
[QUOTE=CKT89;31534684]And then another spinoff with Badger.
[i]Life with Badger[/i][/QUOTE]
Shut up and take my money
Breaking Badger
[QUOTE=stepat201;31532016]
But apparently today they bumped the offer back up to 13 episodes, so I don't think it's going anywhere. Apparently the show costs 3.2 million per episode, which is surprising.[/QUOTE]
the price for having the best looking and, arguably, best acted show on tv.
also, did anyone else find jessie's scene on the racetrack incredibly similar to the ending of Thirteen, if any of you have seen it?
[sp] drug addicted girl rides a merry go round, screams as she's spinning in circles. in BB, drug addicted (among other things) guy drives a cart around a circular track, screams.[/sp]
very similar imagery and they both serve to get at that concept of a delirious feedback loop that's impossible to break. also, that was just a brilliant scene. music from fever ray helped make that an incredible montage. very wise choice in music
[QUOTE=Hap;31535774]Breaking Badger[/QUOTE]
That pun was right in front of me and I missed it.
[QUOTE=Hap;31535774]Breaking Badger[/QUOTE]
Single greatest television show name and idea ever.
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