[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32604233]i really like skyler, she's so cool about the whole thing given the circumstances of the entirety of everything.
i recently made this connection as well, she really looks like this one girl from my old rehab. the girl was super chill, probably one of the only girls there who wasn't completely fucknuts crazy the way girls can be. so much so they let her be in a relationship during her first phase in the program, which you're not allowed to have relationships in unless it's a really legit not co-dependent or fucked up in any way sort of one.[/QUOTE]
my god, get out already.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;32604319]stop talking about how you were crazy nobody cares[/QUOTE]
making a connection from a character in a show to someone i knew and cared about counts as me talking about how i was crazy? you're hopelessly pathetic, hopefully not in the way i think you are because people like that are... eww
god damn this scene is powerful. if what walt said is true and i bet it is, gus is fucking brilliant. but we already knew that
i mean i kind of saw it coming, as soon as the whole poison gus plot thing came up i knew gus would find out nearly instantly. he's one of those people who really plans ahead (as evidenced in the last episode when they had spare blood for jesse at the triage in the warehouse) mike wired walt's house before, why wouldn't they wire jesse's house or any other place where he could conspire.
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
[sp]wow the gun to walt's head made a bullet hole shaped impression, how poetic[/sp]
[sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp]
this character looks like a person i knew *gives a brief overview of their life*
who cares that has nothing to do with breaking bad
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32604413]making a connection from a character in a show to someone i knew and cared about counts as me talking about how i was crazy? you're hopelessly pathetic, hopefully not in the way i think you are because people like that are... eww
[/QUOTE]
what are you even talking about? seriously dude
how am i the pathetic one when you're the one who has to bring up how he went through some shit and went crazy in almost every film or tv show thread
stop it
i'm not trying to derail the thread, it's just that myself and everyone else want you to stop doing that in every thread. it makes people cringe
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32604558][sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp][/QUOTE]
OoooooOoh interesting point.
if it makes you cringe, ignore it and move on. i don't see any problem with someone who likes to relate their experiences to the film and television they watch. you can't speak for everyone either.
gus saw glare from walt's glasses i bet
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32604558][sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp][/QUOTE]
That is quite an interesting point. And do keep in mind that [sp]Walt disappeared for about 2 thirds of the episode. Given this, combined with Gus's reaction to learning Brock had been poisoned, I wouldn't rule out the possibility at all that this is Walt's plan. I don't know how he would have poisoned Brock, but he certainly had time to do it.[/sp]
[sp]On top of all that, this weeks "previously on Breaking Bad" was quite short, but they made a big point of showing that Walt saw Brock at Jesse's. It could have been just to throw us off, but you never know.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32604558][sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp][/QUOTE]
No, no no.... I hope that isn't true, I can't believe or more accurately don't want to believe Walt would do such a thing. I was so happy [sp]when they became partners again.[/sp]
[sp]Also Gus isn't stupid, I think he figured out something was wrong from Jesse's behaviour and that the car was great place for a trap.[/sp]
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32604607]if it makes you cringe, ignore it and move on. i don't see any problem with someone who likes to relate their experiences to the film and television they watch. you can't speak for everyone either.
gus saw glare from walt's glasses i bet[/QUOTE]
[sp]If he did see the glare he would have seen Walt, I think Jesse's behavior tipped him off by accident. Although knowing Walt with his current mental status, anything could happen at this point. But I (kind of) think Gus was responsible for the kid to get the Ricen poisoning.[/sp]
Potential season finale spoilers: [sp]It's pretty much confirmed now that Walt poisoned the kid, as there was a video on AMC.com where Gincarlo Esposito said that in the parking lot scene, Gus pieced it together and realized it was all a play by Walt. The video has been taken down now.
Remember that this show is about "Mr. Chips becoming Scarface". Walt can't become Scarface while still retaining his soul (something he's arguably already lost). This isn't a show where being the protagonist exempts Walt from killing a child to save himself.[/sp]
[QUOTE=stepat201;32605690]Potential season finale spoilers: [sp]It's pretty much confirmed now that Walt poisoned the kid, as there was a video on AMC.com where Gincarlo Esposito said that in the final scene, Gus pieced it together and realized it was all a play by Walt. The video has been taken down now.
Remember that this show is about "Mr. Chips becoming Scarface". Walt can't become Scarface while still retaining his soul (something he's arguably already lost). This isn't a show where being the main protagonist exempts Walt from killing a child to save himself.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I fucking knew something was up when he was talking, because Gus couldn't have really thought up of the whole Ricen thing in the first place, he probably would have used something else. But fuck, if that is an actual spoiler, I may probably regret clicking the spoiler tag you posted. D:[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32604558][sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Holy mother of god.
[sp]When I read that spoiler, I almost scream the same when I watched 'The Usual Suspects' for the first time. It's such twist, holy fuck. Heisenberg is back. And he's evil[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32590483]POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ABOUT THE LAST EPISODE OF THE SEASON:
[url=http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9660/gustp.jpg]Spoiler Picture[/url]
[sp]So this image has been floating around /tv/ for a while now.
At first I thought it was ridiculous and had to be off another TV show/Movie with the same actor as Gus in it.
But then after a couple of days, no-one found the source of the image.
What's even more convincing is that the last episode of the season is called "Face-off"[/sp]
What do you guys think? It could just be an elaborate troll attempt, or a red herring.
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
[sp]Someone even suggested that it could be a nightmare that Walt has about Gus entering his house to kill him, and he throws acid in his face to defend himself which has no effect on Gus and he just straightens up his tie.
That sounds more plausible than him being seemingly okay with that big of a wound to his face.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well I think this pretty much confirms it:
[url=http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1060/gus2.png]Spoiler[/url]
[sp]That was from the promo video. The same clothing.[/sp]
[QUOTE=a203xi;32602936]You do realize you can't trust the things they say in the "Inside Look" videos because they only try to throw you off the plot trail.
[sp]Let's take a look at this, because this is just going to be another stupid conspiracy theory repeated by a bunch of morons incapable of thinking of these things in an actual logical fashion. There are 3 situations here, Gus poisoned Brock, Walt did, or Jesse dropped the cigarette or something and Brock was just unlucky and tried to smoke it or something. The last one is not very likely at all but hey, it's a vague possibility.
The only way it could have been Walt, which was pointed out in the scene with Jesse and Walt, is if Saul helped him. Walter may be able to act in an 'immoral' fashion, Saul as well, but if you imagine any scenario where Walt brings up this idea and Saul doesn't object, you're probably reaching pretty far. (And Saul would have to do it WILLINGLY, no gun to the head scenario, the preview for the next episode has Walt looking for Saul because he needs his help) Not to mention the only one who COULD have taken the cigarette was Huell, and you can watch that clip of him feeling up Jesse as many times as you want but that's not what happened. Jesse still had his pack of cigarettes, so he would have had to taken it out stealthily, and put the pack of cigarettes back in his pocket. It wasn't Walt & Saul.
Lets take a look at the possible reasons Gus would have poisoned Brock: Oh wait, there's too many to even list here. Gus has every reason in the world to be behind it, and it lines up PERFECTLY with EVERYTHING Gus has been trying to do, turn Jesse against Walt, Kill Walt and have Jesse on his side cooking for him, all in one move.
And the last possibility, idk, doesn't seem likely enough to even look to deep into it, it was either an accident or Gus was behind it, those are the 2 possibilities.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I watched this scene one more time:
[sp]Huell, when searching Jesse is hiding something to his jacket[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marden;32605154]No, no no.... I hope that isn't true, I can't believe or more accurately don't want to believe Walt would do such a thing. I was so happy [sp]when they became partners again.[/sp]
[sp]Also Gus isn't stupid, I think he figured out something was wrong from Jesse's behaviour and that the car was great place for a trap.[/sp][/QUOTE]
It's possible that because [sp]Jesse said Brock was poisoned, Gus realised walking to his car that he could've spoken to Walt, and they could've teamed up. And that's why he suspects the car bomb.[/sp]
I'd like to believe that too. [sp]I don't want Walt to be bad. But then again, isn't that the whole point of the show?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32606353]Well I think this pretty much confirms it:
[url=http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1060/gus2.png]Spoiler[/url]
[sp]That was from the promo video. The same clothing.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Fuck.
Fuck.
Fuck.
But, I mean [sp]That picture with Gus Two-Faces is so riddiculus. I mean, he's smiling. He's so calm at this picture. Why he would be like that? If I would have acid on my face, my scream will be fucking loud. Also: he doesn't have his glasses. Also 2: in Breaking Bad his hair is kinda grey. Weird.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32606403]It's possible that because [sp]Jesse said Brock was poisoned, Gus realised walking to his car that he could've spoken to Walt, and they could've teamed up. And that's why he suspects the car bomb.[/sp]
I'd like to believe that too. [sp]I don't want Walt to be bad. But then again, isn't that the whole point of the show?[/sp][/QUOTE]
But Walt [sp]has a child of his own. I don't think he would kill a kid to change Jesse's mind. But it all makes sense when you put together the theories.
But how did Walt sneak into Brock's house, poison him, and leave? Gus has experts for him that sneak in and sneak out of places on a daily basis.[/sp]
I've never ever, even once seen [sp]Walt as a bad guy. This is the one and only time I would personally say he's bad, if he did actually do this. But he could've made more ricin from the plant in his backyard, so he probably had Huel steal it from Jesse just so Jesse would find out what had happened and could save Brock's life. It just seems Walt would've done something to make certain Jesse would know what to tell the doctors, not just hope he looks for the cigarette.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32606403]It's possible that because [sp]Jesse said Brock was poisoned, Gus realised walking to his car that he could've spoken to Walt, and they could've teamed up. And that's why he suspects the car bomb.[/sp]
I'd like to believe that too. [sp]I don't want Walt to be bad. But then again, isn't that the whole point of the show?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Knowing Walt, I think he's already been bad for a long time. Jesse on the other hand wouldn't do such a thing in Walt's situation. After the many people Walt has caused death upon, he doesn't seem to be very affected anymore, only that first guy he killed was the hard part. But he adjusted to it very easily. Jesse on the other hand, can not. Which leads me to believe Walt could have been the guy who poisoned Brock. That scene with the spinning revolver foreshadowed what he may have done to protect his family. I think Walt lost his morality long long ago. When you think about it Walt is more of an anti-hero than he is a hero, his personality suits a lot of villains in other movies the way I see it. And if you think about it, Jesse is more of a minion than anything else, and Walt corrupted him by making him do horrible things, like killing Gale, and why? To save himself. To anyone who even thinks Walt is a completely good character doesn't think through things straight enough, if you honestly think he wouldn't do anything bad, you haven't realized he's already done pretty horrible things in the past seasons.[/sp]
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;32607193][sp]Knowing Walt, I think he can go bad very easily. Jesse on the other hand wouldn't do such a thing in Walt's situation. After the many people Walt has caused death upon, he doesn't seem to be very affected anymore, only that first guy he killed was the hard part. But he adjusted to it very easily. Jesse on the other hand, can not. Which leads me to believe Walt could have been the guy who poisoned Brock. That scene with the spinning revolver foreshadowed what he may have done to protect his family. I think Walt lost his morality long long ago.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I disagree, [sp]Walt never once did anything immoral until he poisoned Brock, that is if he did actually poison Brock. The only thing that makes Brock different from Gale in my eyes is the fact that Gale was the only thing standing between Walt and life. Brock is a child, and I think Walt could've found another option if he thought about it a little longer. Unless he for certain was going to deliver an antidote or save Brock somehow. If that is the case he still has a moral soul in my eyes.[/sp]
I guess this [sp]second to last episode is just as surprising as the other 3 if Walt actually did poison Brock.[/sp]
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
Think of it as survival of the fittest, [sp]it's only wrong if you don't have a good reason for it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ZF911;32607251]I disagree, [sp]Walt never once did anything immoral until he poisoned Brock, that is if he did actually poison Brock. The only thing that makes Brock different from Gale in my eyes is the fact that Gale was the only thing standing between Walt and life. Brock is a child, and I think Walt could've found another option if he thought about it a little longer. Unless he for certain was going to deliver an antidote or save Brock somehow. If that is the case he still has a moral soul in my eyes.[/sp]
I guess this [sp]second to last episode is just as surprising as the other 3 if Walt actually did poison Brock.[/sp]
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
Think of it as survival of the fittest, [sp]it's only wrong if you don't have a good reason for it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I really doubt he has a moral soul, after the first guy he killed, he seems to be just completely fine with his actions. Remember, he did run over those guys to save Jesse, and didn't seem to be bothered by shooting one of them in the head. He also let Jane die, which means he'll let anything happen to get what he wants, no matter what happens. Sure, he still gets worried about protecting his family, but that's because he wants this whole plan to work, and will do absolutely anything to let the plan work out to it's finest without ever being caught. It is survival of the fittest, and usually the moral ones don't survive such a thing. And if he is the one who poisoned Brock, I don't think he'll let Jesse find out obviously. And I doubt Gus would have really known about the Ricen cigarette. Plus if you have a moral soul, I don't think you'd let an innocent man die because you wanted to live longer despite having a shorter time to live than the other guy.[/sp]
Maybe it's immoral in your eyes, [sp]but Walt so far has never once killed someone who either didn't deserve it, or if they were innocent, they would've led to his or Jesse's death. Just necessity, not immoral murder. I believe all his actions so far are justified.[/sp]
The only thing I don't get is [sp]after convincing Jesse Gus poisoned Brock, why didn't he make some sort of antidote before a bomb? If Walt did poison Brock, there's no way he'd let him die after Jesse was convinced.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ZF911;32607428]Maybe it's immoral in your eyes, [sp]but Walt so far has never once killed someone who either didn't deserve it, or if they were innocent, they would've led to his or Jesse's death. Just necessity, not immoral murder. I believe all his actions so far are justified.[/sp]
The only thing I don't get is [sp]after convincing Jesse Gus poisoned Brock, why didn't he make some sort of antidote before a bomb? If Walt did poison Brock, there's no way he'd let him die after Jesse was convinced.[/sp][/QUOTE]
You never know.[sp]But really, the way I see it, it seems more of a survival thing to me, but I highly doubt a moral person would do such things. And if I were in Walt's shoes, I probably would done exactly the same things as he did. And a murder that's a necessity to them only doesn't mean that it's a moral thing to do. We just want to think Walt and Jesse are the good guys because they're the main characters we've been watching through the years. But I see them more as anti-heroes. For most tv shows or movies we usually get good guys as main characters, but hardly ever anything with characters who do go bad. In this show, we get good characters who end up becoming bad, hence the title. Survival of the fittest isn't for moral people who want to play everything safe and harm no one at all, you have to do whatever it takes to keep yourself and others you respect alive. And that goes to the lines of manipulating and harming others to get your way, which is being as cold hearted and as ruthless as possible. Plus moral people wouldn't be ok with making meth to help make money for their family in the future. Walt already broke that morality in the first episode. He could have continued working as a teacher, but instead, he pursued a life of crime to make money. Plus when you're making Meth I'm sure the person is aware the drug they're making kills loads of people each day. Not moral at all. There's also theories Heisenberg is probably Walt's true personality, but he only lets it out at the right moments when he truly is pissed or has to make a point.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;32604558][sp]Remember when Walt was spinning the gun on the table?
It lands pointing at the plant, ricin is made from the castor oil plant.[/sp][/QUOTE]
my mind is blown.
[QUOTE=ZF911;32607428]Maybe it's immoral in your eyes, [sp]but Walt so far has never once killed someone who either didn't deserve it, or if they were innocent, they would've led to his or Jesse's death. Just necessity, not immoral murder. I believe all his actions so far are justified.[/sp]
The only thing I don't get is [sp]after convincing Jesse Gus poisoned Brock, why didn't he make some sort of antidote before a bomb? If Walt did poison Brock, there's no way he'd let him die after Jesse was convinced.[/sp][/QUOTE]
There is no antidote for ricin. And if he actually did do it, he's certainly not in a position where he can put the kid's survival before his own.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;32607469]You never know.[sp]But really, the way I see it, it seems more of a survival thing to me, but I highly doubt a moral person would do such things. And if I were in Walt's shoes, I probably would done exactly the same things as he did. And a murder that's a necessity to them only doesn't mean that it's a moral thing to do. We just want to think Walt and Jesse are the good guys because they're the main characters we've been watching through the years. But I see them more as anti-heroes. For most tv shows or movies we usually get good guys as main characters, but hardly ever anything with characters who do go bad. In this show, we get good characters who end up becoming bad, hence the title. Survival of the fittest isn't for moral people who want to play everything safe and harm no one at all, you have to do whatever it takes to keep yourself and others you respect alive. And that goes to the lines of manipulating and harming others to get your way, which is being as cold hearted and as ruthless as possible. Plus moral people wouldn't be ok with making meth to help make money for their family in the future. Walt already broke that morality in the first episode. He could have continued working as a teacher, but instead, he pursued a life of crime to make money. Plus when you're making Meth I'm sure the person is aware the drug they're making kills loads of people each day. Not moral at all. There's also theories Heisenberg is probably Walt's true personality, but he only lets it out at the right moments when he truly is pissed or has to make a point.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The line between right and wrong is blurred like crazy. People can make their own decisions, especially when it comes to Breaking Bad. Killing someone when it's the only way to save yourself is not immoral, it's just necessity. Killing an innocent person for money or other reasons is immoral in my eyes. And I've also mentioned this before, since Walt arrived, he has killed a lot of drug dealers. Tuco, Krazy Eight, and other meth dealers are out of the picture. Walt isn't adding to the drug supply, he's taking over for Tuco and others that are gone. But Walt's meth is purer than any other meth. So he got rid of the dirty meth supply and the dealers who did it for luxury purposes, and he's selling safer meth for his family.
100% perfectly fine completely moral in my eyes. Feel free to disagree.[/sp]
[sp]I kind of accepted that Walt poisoned the kid. And it makes me sad. Both Jesse and especially Walt did horrible things. But so far Walt did them to save his life, Jesse or family. He let Jane die because he knew Jesse would become a drug addict if she stayed around. There were many scenes that showed Walt treats him almost as a son, but sadly never reveals it to Jesse. That's why I'm so upset he would actually harm Jesse's happiness to save his life.[/sp]
[sp]Did anyone else think Walt was dumb as fuck for popping his head up while Gus was looking out of the car park? I would've kept down until I heard the car start then bombed the fucker.[/sp]
If Walt did it, then it's just a case of really bad writing just to have a 'surprise twist ending'... I hope that's not the case. [sp]Walt has had his life in danger the entire series, but only in the last couple of episodes of the second last season does he finally make the decision "You know, it really is okay to kill kids to further my drug manufacturing career"... What part of this isn't supposed to be a huge design flaw in the entire series again?[/sp]
[sp]What, are we supposed to believe Gus is the good guy now? If this show doesn't have a protagonist and an antagonist then the last season and a half was an entire waste of time, building up one character to be a supervillain, and then, OHP, he's actually not a bad guy at all even though he's killed a dozen people, that would make no sense and just ruin the series... That on top of the fact that protagonists don't typically attempt to murder children, even to 'save their family'.[/sp]
[QUOTE=a203xi;32609850]If Walt did it, then it's just a case of really bad writing just to have a 'surprise twist ending'... I hope that's not the case. ([b]Spoiler wall[/b] [/QUOTE]
Walt isn't strictly a protagonist, he's made bad choices all through the series.
[QUOTE=samframpton;32610181]Walt isn't strictly a protagonist, he's made bad choices all through the series.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's why it's called Breaking Bad.
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