[QUOTE=samframpton;32610181]Walt isn't strictly a protagonist, he's made bad choices all through the series.[/QUOTE]
being the protagonist doesn't mean you have to be the good guy
What if kid will recover and then tell the truth, [sp]that it was Walt, who poisoned him?[/sp]
[QUOTE=shott;32611544]What if kid will recover and then tell the truth, [sp]that it was Walt, who poisoned him?[/sp][/QUOTE]
I'm sure whoever did it was very covert about it. [sp] Not hard to just put it in the kids drink or something. [/sp]
[QUOTE=a203xi;32609850]If Walt did it, then it's just a case of really bad writing just to have a 'surprise twist ending'... I hope that's not the case. [sp]Walt has had his life in danger the entire series, but only in the last couple of episodes of the second last season does he finally make the decision "You know, it really is okay to kill kids to further my drug manufacturing career"... What part of this isn't supposed to be a huge design flaw in the entire series again?[/sp]
[sp]What, are we supposed to believe Gus is the good guy now? If this show doesn't have a protagonist and an antagonist then the last season and a half was an entire waste of time, building up one character to be a supervillain, and then, OHP, he's actually not a bad guy at all even though he's killed a dozen people, that would make no sense and just ruin the series... That on top of the fact that protagonists don't typically attempt to murder children, even to 'save their family'.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think that's the point though. What extreme measures someone is actually willing to go to. Many shows tone down the violence or such, because they want a wider audience but Breaking Bad is showing Walt's destruction. His family is in danger. He has though of one shot that might work but it's all he has. And you know what happens when a man who has sacrificed all for his family is willing to do to save them? It's their lives over everyone's, even the innocent.
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And it's not even surprising if Walt did it, because it's built up Walt that he will take things too far if it must come to it. He will risk his life, anyone's life, and his secrets for those he loves. The writers have Walt down. It's not a surprise at all, and hell, the fact that we are even suspecting Walt shows that we know what he is capable of. We are given the choice now because we have seen what the characters are capable of.
I mean hell, I just thought, we've had a massive build up of Gus, how much of an bastard he is, and his threat to [sp] kill Walt's infant daughter[/sp] was even pointed out very obviously. Maybe it's a set up. [sp] We see Gus as the child killing fuck, then Walt does the same thing and we feel shocked that he is turning in to Gus.[/sp] That's not bad writing at all.
Just saw this in the AMC forums, makes sense:
[sp]"Tio Hector Salamanca poisoned Brock.. He knows all about ricin from his days with Tuco. He did it to hurt Jesse who killed his son, and to spur Jesse into going against Gus his mortal enemy."[/sp]
It was all just really great timing.
Edit:
Nevermind, I just realized everyone that worked with Tio is dead, AND how would he find out about Brock.
i was like, okay, they have done two very intense episodes in a road, i dont think they can top that, and thats okay, because not a lot of people could, and so next episode will still be awesome, just not as intense.
when am i gonna realise i am watching breaking bad.
also, i find that the director behind the sound effects is very smart, the series wouldnt have much of that suspense touch if the sounds werent used as effectively as they are used now.
Walt's laughter is what makes me confused, since it can prove that he did it or disprove it.
His laughter at crawl space can mean that he went insane, and so poisoning Brock is acceptable to him.
However, he seemed to have that same laugh when he "discovered" that Gus did it, so he could've been honest, and he really thinks Gus did it.
But I think they're kinda overdoing it if Gus did do it, did he really plan all that perfectly? I mean, he's starting to look like a super hero villain or some shit. I also dislike that they're kinda compressing everything
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i just rewatched the scene. i don't think walt is lying. it is very probable, however.
I really think that Walt considers Jesse as his second son; Walt would never hurt Jesse because he is near family. But that's just me.
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Also, to lighten up the mood: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMzqiGG5Udg[/media]
[QUOTE=Hmn30;32612798]
But I think they're kinda overdoing it if Gus did do it, did he really plan all that perfectly? I mean, he's starting to look like a super hero villain or some shit. I also dislike that they're kinda compressing everything[/QUOTE]
it seems like something gus would do. i mean he told walt he'd kill his family instead of him and let a little boy die, he's incredibly manipulative and just because a super villain would do it doesn't make it outlandish for it to happen in a more real situation
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;32605294][sp]If he did see the glare he would have seen Walt, I think Jesse's behavior tipped him off by accident. Although knowing Walt with his current mental status, anything could happen at this point. But I (kind of) think Gus was responsible for the kid to get the Ricen poisoning.[/sp][/QUOTE]
i dunno, there was this one point when gus's eyes got fixed on a point that seemed to be in the direction of walt's position
[sp]How big would the explosion be?[/sp]
i suppose that [sp]Gus is gonna go back for jesse, and if this happens, one way out would be for walt to trigger the bomb so that there would be caos in the hospital and gus wouldnt be able to find jesse. unless the bomb is big and it wasnt ever ment to exploide on that garage, which would be supid because then why would walt be waiting on the roof with a detonator.[/sp]
[QUOTE=a203xi;32609850]If Walt did it, then it's just a case of really bad writing just to have a 'surprise twist ending'... I hope that's not the case. [sp]Walt has had his life in danger the entire series, but only in the last couple of episodes of the second last season does he finally make the decision "You know, it really is okay to kill kids to further my drug manufacturing career"[/sp][/QUOTE]
What do you mean? That's perfectly in character for Walt, or at least his pragmatic, cunning Heisenberg half to do. Have you not seen the gutsy and despicable decisions and moves he's made in order to survive and keep his shit together? A shittier twist ending would be that all this came to fruition and the kid just smoked the cigarette after all, or isn't even sick with ricin poisoning at all.
[QUOTE=a203xi;32609850]If Walt did it, then it's just a case of really bad writing just to have a 'surprise twist ending'... I hope that's not the case. [sp]Walt has had his life in danger the entire series, but only in the last couple of episodes of the second last season does he finally make the decision "You know, it really is okay to kill kids to further my drug manufacturing career"... What part of this isn't supposed to be a huge design flaw in the entire series again?[/sp]
[sp]What, are we supposed to believe Gus is the good guy now? If this show doesn't have a protagonist and an antagonist then the last season and a half was an entire waste of time, building up one character to be a supervillain, and then, OHP, he's actually not a bad guy at all even though he's killed a dozen people, that would make no sense and just ruin the series... That on top of the fact that protagonists don't typically attempt to murder children, even to 'save their family'.[/sp][/QUOTE]
What are you even going on about? You're saying that if Gus didn't poison the kid, he's a good guy?
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32612260]Just saw this in the AMC forums, makes sense:
[sp]"Tio Hector Salamanca poisoned Brock.. He knows all about ricin from his days with Tuco. He did it to hurt Jesse who killed his son, and to spur Jesse into going against Gus his mortal enemy."[/sp]
It was all just really great timing.
Edit:
Nevermind, I just realized everyone that worked with Tio is dead, AND how would he find out about Brock.[/QUOTE]
[sp]Also who is willing to sit there and go through the alphabet and all that dinging of the bell just to get the message and the order to do it in the first place?[/sp] :v:
[sp]Anyone notice Walt and Skyler are in very vibrant green shirts this episode? And both of them have smoked a cigarette now. Anything to make of that?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32612260]Just saw this in the AMC forums, makes sense:
[sp]"Tio Hector Salamanca poisoned Brock.. He knows all about ricin from his days with Tuco. He did it to hurt Jesse who killed his son, and to spur Jesse into going against Gus his mortal enemy."[/sp]
It was all just really great timing.
Edit:
Nevermind, I just realized everyone that worked with Tio is dead, AND how would he find out about Brock.[/QUOTE]
Lol thanks for the mental image of [sp]Tio in a wheelchair first stealing the ricin and then covertly poisoning the kid's drink[/sp]
Also it's official, the [sp]Hallway is the poisoner[/sp]
you guys can get rid of the stupid notion that the kid smoked the cigarette and poisoned himself. the poison was in a sealed plastic/glass container in the middle of a raggy old cigarette. the kid wouldn't smoke it if he could.
[QUOTE=kevlar jens;32607896]my mind is blown.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1551/waltrevolver.jpg[/IMG] [img]http://curriculum.toxicology.wikispaces.net/file/view/455px-Illustration_Ricinus_communis0.jpg/30361236/455px-Illustration_Ricinus_communis0.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Kalibos;32614914]you guys can get rid of the stupid notion that the kid smoked the cigarette and poisoned himself. the poison was in a sealed plastic/glass container in the middle of a raggy old cigarette. the kid wouldn't smoke it if he could.[/QUOTE]
Good point. So the only options left are Gus, Walt, or he doesn't even have ricin poisoning (but why would they take him to ICU). Is it confirmed by anyone that he in fact WAS poisoned, or are we just going by Jesse's speculation?
[QUOTE=GodKing;32614932][IMG]http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1551/waltrevolver.jpg[/IMG] [img]http://curriculum.toxicology.wikispaces.net/file/view/455px-Illustration_Ricinus_communis0.jpg/30361236/455px-Illustration_Ricinus_communis0.jpg[/img]
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Good point. So the only options left are Gus, Walt, or he doesn't even have ricin poisoning (but why would they take him to ICU). Is it confirmed by anyone that he in fact WAS poisoned, or are we just going by Jesse's speculation?[/QUOTE]
[sp]The kid was doing terribly until Jesse told them about the ricin, so it's a pretty safe bet.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32615564][sp]The kid was doing terribly until Jesse told them about the ricin, so it's a pretty safe bet.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah, it's too much of a coincidence for him to simply be sick.[/sp]
heh I just realized
Jesse Eisenberg is an actor.
Fuck does that have to do with anything
[QUOTE=GodKing;32616172]Fuck does that have to do with anything[/QUOTE]
Jesse Eisenberg
[sp]Jesse and Heisenberg[/sp]
[QUOTE=Hmn30;32615937]heh I just realized
Jesse Eisenberg is an actor.[/QUOTE]
are u saying that because of 'jesse' and 'heisenberg', because yeah it's heisenberg not eisenberg
[QUOTE=Hmn30;32616218]Jesse Eisenberg
[sp]Jesse and Heisenberg[/sp][/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg[/url]
[QUOTE=Hmn30;32616218]Jesse Eisenberg
[sp]Jesse and Heisenberg[/sp][/QUOTE]
well since you already know that that makes ur post make even less to do with anything
[sp]What if gus knows about the bomb, and he went back to take jesse with him, so that Walt doesn't explode it[/sp]
[QUOTE=macerator;32616528][sp]What if gus knows about the bomb, and he went back to take jesse with him, so that Walt doesn't explode it[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]jesse was right beside him the whole time[/sp]
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;32616557][sp]jesse was right beside him the whole time[/sp][/QUOTE]
no he wasnt... that was some other bald bodyguard
[QUOTE=Rusty100;32616570]no he wasnt... that was some other bald bodyguard[/QUOTE]
seriously? everyone in this god damn show is bald
Breaking Bald
[QUOTE=Rusty100;32616228]well since you already know that that makes ur post make even less to do with anything[/QUOTE]
it's a coincidence okay
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