Who Are You? - Anti-Rape Vid - General

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40347520]This is fucking stupid logic. You teach children to look both ways to prevent shit, but if you cross at a crosswalk while you have the right of way and you don't look both ways and get hit it's still not your fault even if you could have prevented it. Would you tell someone who got hit by a car at a crosswalk after they're signaled to go, "you fucking dumbass you should've looked both ways!!" If so, you're an asshole and yes this is the same fucking thing. That's what responsibility means. You are saying she should be held accountable [b]FOR GETTING RAPED[/b]. The woman in the OP video has absolutely no responsibility for the actions taken against her. PLEASE stop blaming the victim. [editline]19th April 2013[/editline] Yes, we should teach people prevention tactics. No, we should not tell them how it's their fault if anything happens (because it's not, and it never is).[/QUOTE] pfffttbtbtb are you serious if you blindly walk onto a crosswalk when a car is clearly not going to stop it doesn't matter if it's a fucking crosswalk the fault falls on both parties, one for failing to yield to a pedestrian at a cross walk and the other for not looking both fucking ways and walking infront of a speeding vehicle the woman in the video should be held accountable FOR GETTING TOO DRUNK TO LOOK AFTER HERSELF AND NOT HAVING RESPONSIBLE FRIENDS TO LOOK AFTER HER not FOR GETTING RAPED how do you not get this through your head [editline]19th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Last or First;40347758] she did that[/QUOTE] uhhhh no she didn't i failed to see a single responsible person in that video going out with friends ISN'T the same as going out with RESPONSIBLE friends

She's dumb for drinking her brains out. Bartender is dumb for not actually doing his job. Rapist is dumb.

[QUOTE=Last or First;40347758]Because cars are fast and the drivers might not be able to see you and stop in time in order to avoid hitting you. Rape is completely fucking different. Rape is a conscious decision by someone in order to exploit you. Your analogy doesn't work whatsoever.[/QUOTE] My analogy works perfectly, you just can't comprehend it properly. Taking friends with you isn't preventative measures, making sure you don't over drink is. Expecting drivers to stop for you when you have the right of way isn't preventative measures, looking both ways making sure it's safe to cross is. [QUOTE]Well, given that she actually [I]did[/I] take multiple safety measures, it's more like she left her car locked with any expensive items hidden in the glove box and parked it in an average neighborhood, but then had the car broken into anyway.[/QUOTE] That's the difference. In one scenario you try your best to prevent someone from stealing your valuables but they do anyways, in the second scenario you don't do anything to prevent that. In terms of rape: In scenario one you make sure you don't get so drunk that you can't realize you're being taken advantage of prevents unforced rape. In scenario two you're forcibly raped no matter what precautions you took. [QUOTE]And that's ignoring the fact that comparing violating someone's bodily integrity to stealing some money is completely fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] It's not about the money it's about what the victim can do to prevent the situation. Learn how an analogy works please. [QUOTE]did you not see him dragging her all over the place[/QUOTE] That didn't look completely forced at all, if she wasn't so shit-faced she would have said no and not gone with him. RAPE AVOIDED. [QUOTE]"At what point do you not make a conscious decision based on realizing that you're too drunk to make a conscious decision?" I don't even[/QUOTE] Has anybody really been far as even decided to use even go want to do decision more like realize having even done further than decide based consciously? [QUOTE]she did that[/QUOTE] Which isn't preventing rape. Do you know what does? Not getting so drunk and being able to say no and walk away.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565]um yes? this is exactly the logic normal people use. if you have a friend who is close and trustworthy, it's only safe to assume that they keep good company. fuck who even cares about that - you could know someone for years and years and never know that they have the propensity to rape someone[/QUOTE] But you don't know him lol how do you know he's close to your friend and trustworthy? Here's a good tip for you: don't trust people you see for the first time with your life. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565]wtf do you expect? have you ever been to a nightclub? you go out with friends and expect them to have your back. you don't go out and say to your friend "please watch out for me and make sure i don't get raped"[/QUOTE] He said the friend was there to watch over her, and she didn't care at all, therefore she wasn't watching after her. Simple as that. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565]um you can grind and pull someone in the club without necessarily meaning you want to have sex that night right there and then. you realise this is a possibility right? you can't seriously be saying that you can't dance and kiss people on a night out and then be surprised to be raped[/QUOTE] I'm saying you can't be surprised as a girl that drunk men in a club want to have sex with you. I mean, you've got to be a complete moron not to understand that. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565]in the situation shown in this video the danger is pretty inconceivable yes. no right-minded person would have massive rape alarm bells ringing until the very late stages of the night (where she was absolutely hammered and the guy was being really leery and not letting up despite this being obvious) [/QUOTE] And that's exactly what I'm talking about. You don't understand that it's dangerous to get hammered with strangers. What if all your friends get hammered too? It's fucking irresponsible, dangerous, childish behavior. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565] but everyone goes to clubs and gets smashed on a daily basis? i don't know a single person who hasn't done this and i also don't know a single person who has been raped.[/QUOTE] If that's such a rare occurrence, why is there an add about it? [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565] she's probably in that majority too; those who know lots of people who drink like that, but have never been raped and know no one who has been raped. there was no reason for her to take it easy or be scared that night. she was having no worse of a 'good time' than i've seen any of my friends do, or have done myself. please go around a nightclub on any given night of the week and tell me the entire place isn't filled with people like the girl in the video. these environments should be safe places to do this and sometimes, very rarely, they are not. that's the issue. not the drunkness[/QUOTE] Just because you did something 100 times and nothing bad happened to you it doesn't mean the thing is safe. What the fuck are you even arguing here? That it's completely okay to get hammered with strangers in a club as a girl? Wow. It's like you want people to get raped. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40347565]just because someone is trying to get on you in a club doesn't mean you should suddenly stop drinking and go home because they're an untrustworthy rapist. sure you could watch your back but that kind of extreme action is irrational fear. shit if you're an attractive girl you'd never leave the house ever again if you had to go home every time someone came on to you[/QUOTE] No, you should stop drinking before you are so far out that you can't make any decisions for yourself. [QUOTE=FreddiRox!;40347624]No just Silly Sil.[/QUOTE] As a guy who drinks way too much than he should I speak from experience. Don't get fucking smashed with people you don't fully trust or in placed where you can get lost and shit. You're acting like teenagers. Completely oblivious to the risk.

[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter. Getting intoxicated should not make you vulnerable to being sexually assaulted in the first place.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40347951]It doesn't matter. Getting intoxicated should not make you vulnerable to being sexually assaulted in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeah, in a perfect world. Guess what, we don't live in a perfect world. Things like that happen, and any person old enough to drink alcohol KNOWS that things like that happen. So how do you prevent it from happening? You don't get fucking shit faced with no responsible friends to look after you

[QUOTE=Last or First;40347758]Because cars are fast and the drivers might not be able to see you and stop in time in order to avoid hitting you. Rape is completely fucking different. Rape is a conscious decision by someone in order to exploit you. Your analogy doesn't work whatsoever.[/QUOTE] The road is dangerous because there are fast cars on it and you should be careful and look both ways when you cross it or else you might get hit by a car. Parties with strangers are dangerous because they're full of people who don't give a shit about you and you should be careful and not get drunk to the point where you can't protect yourself or else you can get mugged/raped/otherwise hurt. [QUOTE=Pandamox;40347772]the woman in the video should be held accountable FOR GETTING TOO DRUNK TO LOOK AFTER HERSELF AND NOT HAVING RESPONSIBLE FRIENDS TO LOOK AFTER HER not FOR GETTING RAPED how do you not get this through your head[/QUOTE] They can't. It's a woman therefore can't be blamed for anything or criticized. If you criticize a woman you're a woman-hater rape-apologist scumbag. Last thread they were defending a woman who threw her baby across the bus to have a fight.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40345200]Then there's absolutely zero fault on the friend, bartender, stranger and roommate too. But the video tells them all to act when they see that. She could have acted too. Just ealier before she got drunk. That's it. Putting yourself in a dangerous situation or not being careful enough when risk can be foreseen is highly irresponsible and you might get yourself hurt. [editline]19th April 2013[/editline] And please people for fuck's sake. Stop excusing this sort of behavior. You are gonna give someone an idea that it's okay to accept drinks from random people and get smashed with strangers.[/QUOTE] saying "she could have acted before she got drunk" is essentially saying the chick who gets mugged or shot walking home from work could have prevented it [I]before she got shot[/I] by not going outside alone the blame lies on the person that takes the situation from "oh i'm drunk" to "i'm being raped and having sex with someone i don't consent to"

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40347951]It doesn't matter. Getting intoxicated should not make you vulnerable to being sexually assaulted in the first place.[/QUOTE] Except that's exactly what too much alcohol does.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40348009]saying "she could have acted before she got drunk" is essentially saying the chick who gets mugged or shot walking home from work could have prevented it [I]before she got shot[/I] by not going outside alone[/QUOTE] If she chose to walk through dark alleys instead of normal safe way, then ye, she put herself in danger. She should avoid dark alleys, as do everyone else. [QUOTE=Kopimi;40348009]the blame lies on the person that takes the situation from "oh i'm drunk" to "i'm being raped and having sex with someone i don't consent to"[/QUOTE] The blame for rape lies on the rapist. The blame for getting so drunk that she can't protect herself and for not having someone to take care of her lies on her.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40348009]saying "she could have acted before she got drunk" is essentially saying the chick who gets mugged or shot walking home from work could have prevented it [I]before she got shot[/I] by not going outside alone the blame lies on the person that takes the situation from "oh i'm drunk" to "i'm being raped and having sex with someone i don't consent to"[/QUOTE] In the case of this video it isn't the same as that. She wasn't forced to do anything. Her rapist didn't just snatch her from the bar and throw her into the back of his car and drive off. She wasn't in her right mind and was coerced into going with him. A better comparison would be if a mugger tried to convince you to give up your possessions without the use of force. If you were drunk you might but if you're sober there's no way in hell he's walking off with your valuables.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40347951]It doesn't matter. Getting intoxicated should not make you vulnerable to being sexually assaulted in the first place.[/QUOTE] Sadly that's how the world is at the moment. Act accordingly or face consequences. You can't just ignore the danger because "it shouldn't be like that". Guess what I shouldn't have to lock my house because I'm afraid of having my shit stolen, but I do.

You guys are disgusting :)

[QUOTE=FreddiRox!;40345733]What an ugly cunt[/QUOTE] its rly cool how progressive facepunch users are

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40349094]You guys are disgusting :)[/QUOTE] Another quality post. Why are you so bad at reading comprehension?

serious case of people in this thread being unable to distinguish "victim blaming" which nobody is fucking doing, from educating people on the dangers of drinking and accepting drinks from strangers

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40350448]serious case of people in this thread being unable to distinguish "victim blaming" which nobody is fucking doing, from educating people on the dangers of drinking and accepting drinks from strangers[/QUOTE] Please link me to one of these "educational posts" that isn't victim blaming and I'll show you how you are wrong! :3

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40349094]You guys are disgusting :)[/QUOTE] your anti-responsibility standpoint will lead to people getting raped :) [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Shadaez;40350479]Please link me to one of these "educational posts" that isn't victim blaming and I'll show you how you are wrong! :3[/QUOTE] how about every post that says "people need to take precautions and be careful when drinking" TELLING PEOPLE TO BE CAREFUL IS NOT THE SAME AS BLAMING PEOPLE WHO GET RAPED jesus christ

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40350509]your anti-responsibility standpoint will lead to people getting raped :) [/quote] That if you're raped, you're not responsible? To think anything else would be blaming [quote]to hold responsible;[/quote] the victim. Hmm. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40350509] how about every post that says "people need to take precautions and be careful when drinking" TELLING PEOPLE TO BE CAREFUL IS NOT THE SAME AS BLAMING PEOPLE WHO GET RAPED jesus christ[/QUOTE] Hey, I'd appreciate if you linked me to one because none of them are that broad, they are saying that this woman shouldn't have gotten drunk if she didn't want to get raped!

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40347902]Here's a good tip for you: don't trust people you see for the first time with your life.[/quote] wow what a sad life [quote]I'm saying you can't be surprised as a girl that drunk men in a club want to have sex with you.[/quote] and that's okay? so it's the girl's fault she wasn't living in fear like you're expecting people to? [quote]You don't understand that it's dangerous to get hammered with strangers. What if all your friends get hammered too? It's fucking irresponsible, dangerous, childish behavior.[/quote] what do you expect? that whenever anyone takes drugs there should be some sort of friend who's there who is 100% sober with his finger on 911/999/whatever in case anything goes wrong? get a life. there's a reason there's such a thing as bouncers in clubs [quote]If that's such a rare occurrence, why is there an add about it?[/quote] just because something isn't statistically common doesn't mean it isn't a big issue. it's still uncommon compared to the number of people who go out to clubs and have a nice time [quote]Just because you did something 100 times and nothing bad happened to you it doesn't mean the thing is safe.[/quote] i never said that. i said that if someone had been to a club 100 times and everyone they know had been to a club 100 times and everyone had always had a nice time that it would be totally weird and unreasonable for those people to live in the level of fear that you expect of people [quote]That it's completely okay to get hammered with strangers in a club as a girl?[/quote] she didn't get completely hammered with strangers in a club. she got completely hammered with friends and a friend of a friend in a club and there were also strangers there [quote]Wow. It's like you want people to get raped.[/quote] pathetic

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40350663]That if you're raped, you're not responsible? To think anything else would be blaming the victim. Hmm. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] Hey, I'd appreciate if you linked me to one because none of them are that broad, they are saying that this woman shouldn't have gotten drunk if she didn't want to get raped![/QUOTE] that you're not responsible for your well-being do you really think that its a positive lesson to educate people with "hey guys it doesn't matter if you get fucking wrecked without a clue where you are, because you're not responsible!!!!!!" no, we don't tell people that because its fucking retarded we tell people to be responsible, to watch what they drink and where they go you don't blame victims, but you educate people to drink within their limits for the same reason that girls in the UK are taught not to walk streets at night without friends, not because you then blame them if they didn't have friends, but you teach people.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40350770]that you're not responsible for your well-being do you really think that its a positive lesson to educate people with "hey guys it doesn't matter if you get fucking wrecked without a clue where you are, because you're not responsible!!!!!!" no, we don't tell people that because its fucking retarded we tell people to be responsible, to watch what they drink and where they go you don't blame victims, but you educate people to drink within their limits for the same reason that girls in the UK are taught not to walk streets at night without friends, not because you then blame them if they didn't have friends, but you teach people.[/QUOTE] I'm not disagreeing with you, but what you're saying is not what they are saying.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40350663] Hey, I'd appreciate if you linked me to one because none of them are that broad, they are saying that this woman shouldn't have gotten drunk if she didn't want to get raped![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pandamox;40347989]Yeah, in a perfect world. Guess what, we don't live in a perfect world. Things like that happen, and any person old enough to drink alcohol KNOWS that things like that happen. So how do you prevent it from happening? You don't get fucking shit faced with no responsible friends to look after you[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40348067]If she chose to walk through dark alleys instead of normal safe way, then ye, she put herself in danger. She should avoid dark alleys, as do everyone else. The blame for rape lies on the rapist. The blame for getting so drunk that she can't protect herself and for not having someone to take care of her lies on her.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=reedbo;40347116]How is this any different than leaving your unlocked car full of expensive items in a poor neighborhood? Both party's are responsible to some degree here. The rapist is still a criminal and should be prosecuted. The woman should take some degree of responsibility and understand that she put herself in a situation that could have been avoided. Clearly the aggressor wasn't forcing anything on her as she was too intoxicated to make the right decision. What the hell happened to self control, both on the rapist and the victim? At what point do you not realize that you're too drunk to make a conscious decision? [editline]19th April 2013[/editline] In a perfect world non of this would ever be an issue as people wouldn't take advantage of each other. But even you guys know that this world isn't full of happy rainbows and perfect people.[/QUOTE] Here, have your posts.

should women bring drug testing kits with them to bars too because there is a chance their drinks could be spiked or is that just fucking wrong

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40351050]should women bring drug testing kits with them to bars too because there is a chance their drinks could be spiked or is that just fucking wrong[/QUOTE] uhhh obviously duh you need to be responsible these days, if you get blacked out it's your fault for having a spiked drink

Maybe don't get blackout drunk and be around random ass people. Bucket ass hoes I swear man

i dont understand the posts that say "women should be more responsible and not get drunk". who are they directed to go to a college and youll see thousands of informative pieces that tell women how to be responsible, what to be careful of, what the signs are to avoid dangerous situations thats not what this is tho. you guys must think everyone is ridiculously stupid to assume that "THEY SHOULD BE CAREFUL" is something actually useful, human beings sometimes fuck up and they get more drunk than they should. this is directed for those situations [quote]Yeah, in a perfect world. Guess what, we don't live in a perfect world. Things like that happen, and any person old enough to drink alcohol KNOWS that things like that happen. So how do you prevent it from happening? You don't get fucking shit faced with no responsible friends to look after you[/quote] guess what, we don't live in a perfect world. people will get shit faced and sometimes theyll do it without responsible friends. why are you even bitching about this i dont understand this seems to be a win for everyone but w/e

The man should be really careful that he doesn't rape anyone tbh. Don't rape, rapists! [img]http://puu.sh/2DmiL.jpg[/img]

She wouldn't have gotten raped if she wasn't born. She wouldn't have gotten raped if she didn't decide to become friends with these people. She wouldn't have gotten raped if she went out with her friends earlier when the rapist wasn't there. Drinking is stupid and not knowing when to stop is stupider, but she has no fault on the events in her control or out of her control that lead to the rape, and neither do the other people. The point of the video isn't that her friends are to blame, but preventing rape is a good thing and you should attempt to do it when you see it about to happen, and it's easier to see it's going to happen once she's being led around by this guy and she's drunk which is why that's when the 'prevention' segment starts.

I had a similar thing happen to a friend of mine, I had to keep stepping in to get this creepy prick off her. Also another guy on FP who gloated about raping a girl when she was passed out drunk.