Who Are You? - Anti-Rape Vid - General

[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE] Just thought I might pitch in and say that that's a pretty dumb thing to say. Also this seems like a fairly accurate representation of most rape scenarios, not someone being dragged off the street into an alley but people thinking there's no harm in taking advantage when their inhibitions have been loosened, not 'rapists' just idiots [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jocke;40336546]My buddies love seeing me drunk, I'm like the chillest guy ever, I do less harm while being drunk :v:[/QUOTE] Eh it affects people in different ways, like all substances that affect the mind

I wish it went a little longer up to the point where the guy approached her, so that instead of just being a message about taking care of those who had one too many, it included the idea of just not being a rapist in general :v:

I don't think we have to tell people to not be rapists. Most people have the common sense, and the others are either incapable of learning or don't care enough to.

some people in this very thread think it's not wrong to have sex with a woman who is too drunk to say no

Exactly, they don't care. Pounding something into their head isn't going to work. Although I think a lot of the people attacking the video are playing devil's advocate or at the very least not defending rape.

some people do care, minds can be changed. if that were not the case we would still be in the middle ages

Sure, I just think there needs to be a better strategy than telling people that it's wrong.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40351878]some people in this very thread think it's not wrong to have sex with a woman who is too drunk to say no[/QUOTE] Nobody says that.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40350983]Here, have your posts.[/QUOTE] 1. It's in reply to someone saying not to blame a victim so it victim blaming. He's saying she could have prevented it. 2. This isn't really educating nor victim blaming in the second part. First part is comparing the rape to a mugging and blaming the mugging victim for walking through a dark alley. 3. "The woman should take some degree of responsibility" this is obvious, definition of blame: "to hold responsible"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40335010]wow, first post? jesus christ. people should be able to have a good time without fearing they will be sexually or violently abused.[/QUOTE] this

This thread is a mess. The video has a decent message, that message being that just because you didn't create a situation, doesn't mean you can't help prevent something bad happening. Some people argue that the woman shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk, other people argue you often don't intend on getting drunk, but as you drink more your inhibitions and the level of judgment you can show are lowered, the result being that you end up drinking more than you normally would and reach blackout drunk. I'm of the opinion that before you go out drinking at a bar, you should first drink on your own and see how you are with alcohol while you're alone or with people you can actually trust before stepping foot in a bar, if you can't handle your drink or it causes you to do stupid things like over drinking, you should just not drink. You don't need to drink, it's for enjoyment but if you have an inability to do it safely you should not do it at all, or at the very least limit yourself to a number you know you're gonna be able to handle. If alcohol makes you make stupid decisions, why would you in your right mind let it? The world is a dangerous place and not being in a good state of mind makes it even more dangerous, in an ideal world you wouldn't have to worry about danger because it would not exist. But it does exist, and just because you think you deserve to have fun without danger disturbing you, doesn't mean it won't. If you can't drink responsibly, don't. Another person in the thread mentioned something I did not really think about, that the person who raped her was a friend of a friend and that gave him an air of trust that a total stranger would not have, thus lowering the woman's guard. It's important to be aware that you can't trust people you don't know even if a friend trusts them, I did not even consider it because the idea of trusting someone based on the trust of someone else has genuinely never occurred to me. I'd go so far as to say that you can't even trust people you do know, and that you should only trust people so far as the consequences of them violating your trust are fairly inconsequential, but I don't think most people would like to take this approach to people.

plz permaban anyone who rated the video dumb, as they're probably rapists.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]wow what a sad life[/QUOTE] Famous last words. No, seriously you wanna risk your life or well being by trusting strangers with your life, fine. Just don't make other people follow that mindset. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]and that's okay? so it's the girl's fault she wasn't living in fear like you're expecting people to?[/QUOTE] What fear? It's just common sense. And what's okay? Rape? What's wrong with you? [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]what do you expect? that whenever anyone takes drugs there should be some sort of friend who's there who is 100% sober with his finger on 911/999/whatever in case anything goes wrong? get a life. [/QUOTE] You seriously don't see anything wrong with what you've just posted? Either you are sarcastic or you want yourself to get hurt. That's extremely irrensposible. Don't be surpsised if you get hurt with that mindset. You act like a 16 year old. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]there's a reason there's such a thing as bouncers in clubs[/QUOTE] But you're not always in a club when partying? [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]just because something isn't statistically common doesn't mean it isn't a big issue. it's still uncommon compared to the number of people who go out to clubs and have a nice time[/QUOTE] And there's a large number of people who run across the street and never get hit by a car, that's not a reason not to look both ways. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]i never said that. i said that if someone had been to a club 100 times and everyone they know had been to a club 100 times and everyone had always had a nice time that it would be totally weird and unreasonable for those people to live in the level of fear that you expect of people [/QUOTE] Again what fear? It's common sense. You have this stupid yolo mindset. "Drink till you pass out with people you've met for the first time, you can trust them with your life, nothing bad is gonna happen to you". It's irresponsible and you will get hurt. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]she didn't get completely hammered with strangers in a club. she got completely hammered with friends and a friend of a friend in a club and there were also strangers there[/QUOTE] The guy was a stranger to her. Just because your friend knows a guy it doesn't mean you can trust him with your life. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40350756]pathetic[/QUOTE] You are advocating no-responsibility mindset. It's dangerous and stupid. People get hurt because of that. What can't you understand? Be responsible. It has nothing to do with living in fear. Just act accordingly to your situation. If you drink with friends at their place and you know in 100% that there will be someone to take care of you if you'll drink to much, it's okay to pass out drunk. If you go to a club or drink with strangers, passing out drunk is not the best idea. Because there's a chance (even if it's a slim one) that something bad is going to happen to you. It's just that. How can you disagree with something like that. I'm a guy and I don't drink till I pass out in clubs or with strangers. If I ever do it I do it with people who I know won't hurt me in an environment where I won't be hurt. [QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40351178]uhhh obviously duh you need to be responsible these days, if you get blacked out it's your fault for having a spiked drink[/QUOTE] I'm wondering, will you teach your children not to follow strangers and not to accept candy from strangers with creepy smiles? Or you'll just go "I shouldn't even happen so I won't take any steps to avoid it". [QUOTE=Shadaez;40352752]1. It's in reply to someone saying not to blame a victim so it victim blaming. He's saying she could have prevented it. 2. This isn't really educating nor victim blaming in the second part. First part is comparing the rape to a mugging and blaming the mugging victim for walking through a dark alley. 3. "The woman should take some degree of responsibility" this is obvious, definition of blame: "to hold responsible"[/QUOTE] That's the point numbnuts. I'm gonna make it easy for you. Focus. There are 2 different things we're talking about here and 2 things you can blame people for. There's creating a situation of increased risk and there's someone else taking advantage of that and hurting you intentionally. You are responsible for your well being. If you create a situation where you're in danger by ignoring easily foreseeable risk, you are to blame for. Not for rape itself, but for creating a situation where it's more likely to happen. She could have prevented potentially dangerous situation from occurring, thus preventing one of the possible outcomes. For rape, the guy and only the guy is to blame. I'm not blaming her for being raped, it wasn't her fault. But it is her fault for getting into a situation where it's possible to happen. Do you understand now? Those are 2 different things. Stop arguing that she's not to blame for getting drunk. You people will make someone get hurt. You are advocating putting yourself in danger. Stop it.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40351436]The man should be really careful that he doesn't rape anyone tbh. Don't rape, rapists! [img]http://puu.sh/2DmiL.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I can't tell if this is serious or not. Is this ad supposed to actually affect the way potential rapists act? Do you accept the fact that if you avoid going out by yourself and get completely shitfaced (not saying that necessarily happens in this video), you are significantly less likely to get raped? What I'm essentially trying to say is that rape victims of the type described above aren't responsible for getting raped, however, they did commit stupid actions which led to their rape being more likely. This doesn't mean that their rapist is any less responsible, or should receive any lighter type of punishment. It does not mean that they were asking to get raped. It just means that there were very simple steps they could have taken to avoid getting raped, and I don't understand why you wouldn't encourage people to take these steps.

I just can't see this as rape, I can see it as a form of sexual assault but it is a far lesser crime than actual rape. The girl of course has the right to get black out drunk, but she has to realize this puts her in a very vulnerable position. From the perspective of the guy he wasn't even doing all that much wrong, she led him on (which wasn't her fault of course) and he probably misread some signals too. I do agree with the main message of the video though, when you see something like this play out, you should step in and question what's happening.

[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;40354731]I can't tell if this is serious or not. Is this ad supposed to actually affect the way potential rapists act? Do you accept the fact that if you avoid going out by yourself and get completely shitfaced (not saying that necessarily happens in this video), you are significantly less likely to get raped? What I'm essentially trying to say is that rape victims of the type described above aren't responsible for getting raped, however, they did commit stupid actions which led to their rape being more likely. This doesn't mean that their rapist is any less responsible, or should receive any lighter type of punishment. It does not mean that they were asking to get raped. It just means that there were very simple steps they could have taken to avoid getting raped, and I don't understand why you wouldn't encourage people to take these steps.[/QUOTE] It's a pretty stupid ad but your attitude is just as bad. This isn't a matter of one or the other, women [I]are[/I] encouraged not to get shitfaced and to hang out with friends along with all this other shit. But taking precautions alone is never enough and giving up saying it's not your problem when something does happen is just idiocy. If we take the analogy of leaving your car unlocked, however retarded it is, do you attack any effort to discourage possible perpetrators or make things safer? If you saw someone stealing a car would you just ignore it saying they should have taken precautions? This isn't the only course of action and focussing just on one aspect is denial. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Overactor;40354804]I just can't see this as rape, I can see it as a form of sexual assault but it is a far lesser crime than actual rape. The girl of course has the right to get black out drunk, but she has to realize this puts her in a very vulnerable position. From the perspective of the guy he wasn't even doing all that much wrong, she led him on (which wasn't her fault of course) and he probably misread some signals too. I do agree with the main message of the video though, when you see something like this play out, you should step in and question what's happening.[/QUOTE] You do realise that it legally does count as rape, right? Misread what signals? She rejected him when she was fine and had to make his move when she was glassy eyed and hardly able to make coherent sentences. On top of that he had to drag her along almost everywhere and she could hardly figure out where she was half the time. Admit it, he just wanted a fuck and figured a drunk girl can't say no.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40354890]It's a pretty stupid ad but your attitude is just as bad. This isn't a matter of one or the other, women [I]are[/I] encouraged not to get shitfaced and to hang out with friends along with all this other shit. But taking precautions alone is never enough and giving up saying it's not your problem when something does happen is just idiocy. If we take the analogy of leaving your car unlocked, however retarded it is, do you attack any effort to discourage possible perpetrators or make things safer? If you saw someone stealing a car would you just ignore it saying they should have taken precautions? This isn't the only course of action and focussing just on one aspect is denial.[/QUOTE] Who the hell says it's not our problem and that we would just ignore it "because she didn't take precautions?"

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40352752]1. It's in reply to someone saying not to blame a victim so it victim blaming. He's saying she could have prevented it. 2. This isn't really educating nor victim blaming in the second part. First part is comparing the rape to a mugging and blaming the mugging victim for walking through a dark alley. 3. "The woman should take some degree of responsibility" this is obvious, definition of blame: "to hold responsible"[/QUOTE] 1. This is what he responded to: [QUOTE=hypno-toad;40347951]It doesn't matter. Getting intoxicated should not make you vulnerable to being sexually assaulted in the first place.[/QUOTE] I'd say his response was simply returning to reality. I mean, the post he responded to is so fucking blank and vague - "Rape is bad, people shouldn't have to worry about it!". No shit, but you should always have friends around you when you're out in town. Ironic Man's original post can be interpreted in more than one way, but that shouldn't change the content of Pandamox'. 2. Well, yeah. You're right. Blame the victim for putting themselves at risk, blame the rapist for being a rapist. You should hold responsibility for taking risks, but not for the damage someone inflicts on you. I think many people in this thread have trouble separating these two. 3. That post is stupid. But seriously Shadaez, I don't know why you keep making posts such as these: [QUOTE=Shadaez;40349094]You guys are disgusting :)[/QUOTE] Generalizing is just stupid, and this is clearly just to get people riled up. I won't say you made this thread solely to start shit, because it's actually a really good video, but I think it's at least part of why you made it. I think you should stop doing that. What the fuck Shadaez,, you're clearly just trying to start shit: [QUOTE=Shadaez;40350086]So, I posted a cool anti-rape video here: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1262321&p=40334230&viewfull=1#post40334230[/url] . While the responses were better than expected there was still a whole bunch of victim blaming! STUPID WOMAN DONT GET DRUNK IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET RAPED someone has to tell us what their penis thinks and IT WAS NOT HAPPY (apparently he was joking but fuck if I'm snipping this, the penis crying is just too good) [img_thumb]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxehmwWD4n1r9fbgko1_400.png[/img_thumb] these two creeps tell us it's not rape lol LOL [b]LOL[/b] that's all for now~~[/QUOTE] Did you just make this thread to get "bad responses" so you could laugh about them? Are you seriously abusing the matter of rape to get a "ROFLCOPTER GOING LOL LOL". That's so. Fucking. Cheap. This is as bad as making a shitty post about rape, you're just using the subject as laughing material.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40354942]Who the hell says it's not our problem and that we would just ignore it "because she didn't take precautions?"[/QUOTE] You apparently, because despite showing you understand increased risk vs taking advantage, you focus solely on what the victim could do to decrease risks rather than making every effort to reduce risks. I understand your point perfectly, the victim can take more precautions, but why can't everyone else do the same? Why is it so objectionable to educate possible perpetrators, let others know how they can help, build a safer environment, [B]as well as[/B] encouraging women to take precautions?

You guys do realise this was video was made by uni students in New Zealand, addressing the drinking culture of New Zealand, presented to New Zealand youth and young adults. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] i mean i dunno how drinking and sex mix in other countries but sure as shit ive seen this happen a few times but its hard to tell in clubs whether or not a pair are together or strangers

It is like half you guys have never gotten drunk before. She was drunk and her friend left her on the dance floor alone. She sees someone from her group and assumes that it is safer to hang around with him than stay by herself or go with a stranger. Bear in mind, not everyone who dances with you wants to fuck you, friends dance with friends literally all the time. He uses her impaired judgement to get her drunk enough to make a move and drag her home and into bed without her being able to resist.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40354447] If I ever do it I do it with people who I know won't hurt me in an environment where I won't be hurt. [/QUOTE] nah you sound way too straight edge

If you really want to blame someone other than the rapist, blame her friend. You shouldn't leave drunk friends alone on the dance floor.

[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;40354990]You guys do realise this was video was made by uni students in New Zealand, addressing the drinking culture of New Zealand, presented to New Zealand youth and young adults. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] i mean i dunno how drinking and sex mix in other countries but sure as shit ive seen this happen a few times but its hard to tell in clubs whether or not a pair are together or strangers[/QUOTE] Pretty good for a student ad really. Seen a few decent Kiwi ads and I'm wondering why they can figure out good advertising but we get some real crap. [QUOTE=squids_eye;40355015]If you really want to blame someone other than the rapist, blame her friend. You shouldn't leave drunk friends alone on the dance floor.[/QUOTE] Nah, one of the first things they teach in when you're a bartender is don't serve drinks to people far gone, send them home. It's literally the bouncer's job to make the place safe and if they can't even figure out something like that, they're in for a lot of shit.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40354890]taking precautions alone is never enough and giving up saying it's not your problem when something does happen is just idiocy.[/QUOTE] I agree. If I was witnessing a potential rape, I would try my utmost to stop it. I don't see how this takes away from anything I've said previously.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40354972]You apparently, because despite showing you understand increased risk vs taking advantage, you focus solely on what the victim could do to decrease risks rather than making every effort to reduce risks. I understand your point perfectly, the victim can take more precautions, but why can't everyone else do the same? Why is it so objectionable to educate possible perpetrators, let others know how they can help, build a safer environment, [B]as well as[/B] encouraging women to take precautions?[/QUOTE] But where did I say that it's either one or another? That's the point. I'm arguing that on top what the video said, it should also point out that the entire situation could be avoided by the girl herself, if she was more cautious when drinking. But apparently that makes me a victim-blamer and rape-apologist.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40338455]And I shouldn't be afraid of getting mugged/beaten when walking though dark alleys. But that doesn't mean I'm just gonna ignore the risk and do it anyway. If you drink till blacking out you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation. You shouldn't be afraid that people will take advantage of you, but the reality is different. So as long as there are people who would take advantage of you, you've got to be mindful, responsible and cautious. You can't say "it shouldn't be that way" and act like it doesn't exist. Also lol at getting physical with a random stranger for walking with a drunk girl. That situation is detached from reality. What the fuck would you do if some guy started shoving you around when you're walking/kissing with your (drunk) girlfriend/wife (and you're drunk yourself)? Yeah that's not gonna escalate quickly...[/QUOTE] Oh please, the myth of the ~dark alley~ A huge majority of rapes are committed by someone the victim knows personally

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40355168]Oh please, the myth of the ~dark alley~ A huge majority of rapes are committed by someone the victim knows personally[/QUOTE] Okay? That's not the situation we were talking about tho? So it's completely irrelevant?

[QUOTE=reedbo;40347116]How is this any different than leaving your unlocked car full of expensive items in a poor neighborhood? [/QUOTE] the difference between car and women is that women aren't objects

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40355029]Pretty good for a student ad really. Seen a few decent Kiwi ads and I'm wondering why they can figure out good advertising but we get some real crap. Nah, one of the first things they teach in when you're a bartender is don't serve drinks to people far gone, send them home. It's literally the bouncer's job to make the place safe and if they can't even figure out something like that, they're in for a lot of shit.[/QUOTE] Bouncers and bartenders have a club full of people to deal with, they can't catch everything. You and your friend only have each other to look out for.