Who Are You? - Anti-Rape Vid - General

it is just drunk sex, dont make big deal out of it. IF girl doen't say no, it means she is ok with guy's dick in her vagina.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40355732]Do as you like, I just don't like the fact that you make a quite serious thread about rape, then go on to make a thread stating in one of your first posts: Like what you wanted was people flinging shit. Take it or leave it, but I think you're going for some cheap laughs while actually posting something serious.[/QUOTE] I can post an informative video in good faith and still expect stupid shit to be said. I don't browse the internet looking for shit to hurt the average Facepunchers feelings.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]And I'm not saying that telling people that isn't going to work, just that it's not going to work.[/QUOTE] Did you make a typo? [QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]Oh come on, I'm also against telling people not to do drugs, because I know if they want to they'll do it anyway and you're only stroking your ego. This is a matter of practicality, not principle.[/QUOTE] People do stupid shit because they are not aware of the consequences or they ignore them. Which is exactly what you're advocating right now. It's really weird how you think that teaching people responsibility is stupid. [QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]Look both ways is a practical solution, one they can do prior to doing what they want. Telling them not to cross the road without an adult will probably get ignored. The difference is between telling someone to bring a friend, and telling them don't get drunk, see what I'm getting at here?[/QUOTE] Brining an adult to cross a street is unpractical even if it's the most safe solution. Just like not drinking at all. But I'm not arguing for that. I'm just saying that there are times where you can get blacked out drunk and there are times when you have to limit yourself or you will put yourself in a risk. Now whether you value your fun more or less than your well being is up to you. [QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]More like "What a pretentious cunt thinking people give a shit about his experiences", but I'm not that mean.[/QUOTE] Again, that argument can be used against every advice that came out of your or someone else's mistake. [QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]You didn't even figure out not to binge drink on your own until you had a bad experience, yet you still think that the only reason they wouldn't is because someone told them not to? Really now.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying everyone would follow the advice but maybe someone will. If 1 person listens and is more careful then it's already infinitely better than 1 person following the mindset of not accounting for the danger. And while warning me about drinking didn't work till I had a bad experience myself, it did work with drugs and smokes. So yeah. Sometimes it does work, better than nothing. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40355809]the video is not about drinking responsibly, it's about teaching men who are somewhat ignorant about this issue. also it has been stated quite a few times that the woman in the video was manipulated into drinking more than she should have[/QUOTE] I thought the video was about not standing idly when a guy is taking advantage of a drunk girl? It wasn't to make men understand that it's wrong to take a girl like that home and fuck her. Which should also be in there, but that goes without saying.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40355884]I can post an informative video in good faith and still expect stupid shit to be said. I don't browse the internet looking for shit to hurt the average Facepunchers feelings.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I won't say you made this thread solely to start shit, because it's actually a really good video, but I think it's at least part of why you made it. I think you should stop doing that.[/QUOTE] Then why did you leave this part out of the post you responded to? I still think the tone you're using in SFPS is very unfitting, though, and I at the very least think the thread discredits the stuff you post elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;40355772]The issue isn't about taking precautions or not, it is about whether to include them in this video or in other education.[/QUOTE] I do not see what is wrong with taking a holistic approach. It's an 8 minute long video, is it such a bother to just rewind one more step and examine what the woman herself could have done or not done? I agree that the aim of the video is more focused than covering everything that can be done or not done, that the framing of the video is such that it's about what other people can do. My argument however is that it is too easy to mistake the lack of mention of personal responsibility as a statement that personal responsibility is not an issue. If this were a 30-60 second advert, I would agree with you that mentioning other behaviours there would not be time for, as an 8 minute video, practically a short movie for what reason is there to not codify all that which is known about what can be done except for it compromising the very specific message you want to get across. I contend that the specific nature of the message is at odds with the informative intent of the video and as a result misinterpretation can arise, as well as a fractured idea of what can actually be done to avoid danger in the situation they present.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40355972]Then why did you leave this part out of the post you responded to? I still think the tone you're using in SFPS is very unfitting, though, and I at the very least think the thread discredits the stuff you post elsewhere.[/QUOTE] It is useless, he is a misandrist after all. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img546/8076/shadybisnis.jpg[/IMG]

gay pride :) [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] the point of the video is saying "recognize this is bad" both as a bystander and perpetrator, nothing else

How is it rape if they both get drunk as fuck and have sex?

well there's that

Around my area there are a lot of girls who seem inclined to get "shitfaced" and drunk out of their minds. They actually say things like "I wanna get smashed" or "I'm getting paved." It feels to me like a lot of them have been brainwashed into thinking it's the norm and I dunno it confuses me. It's like they get pissed out of their minds to please their social circle. It's right to say men should be more reserved and shouldn't take advantage of women who are completely drunk, but who's to say a stinking drunk male has much control over his state of mind? I feel the drinking culture in Britain is becoming more and more of a threat to society. If I was a woman I don't feel like I would be comfortable going to a club and getting wrecked, I worry about my sister sometimes who comes home absolutely smashed, stumbling up the stairs and needing one of her friends to walk her to her front door. I just feel like it's not wrong to dismiss the idea that although women may not be to blame, they hold a certain responsibility as well. It's like driving sober, and driving drunk, you're more likely to have an accident whilst drunk, and you can't always rely on the car and other drivers to prevent that from happening.

[QUOTE=Robber;40356160]How is it rape if they both get drunk as fuck and have sex?[/QUOTE] I think you should watch the video. This is about a not-that-drunk man taking advantage of a [I]really[/I] drunk, that earlier on rejected him. She's not in a state where she can really consent, and that's why it's kinda rape, even if he doesn't outright use force. If they were both equally drunk, then both parties can go on to regret it later on for all I care, but that's not the case here. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gump;40356236]Around my area there are a lot of girls who seem inclined to get "shitfaced" and drunk out of their minds. They actually say things like "I wanna get smashed" or "I'm getting paved." It feels to me like a lot of them have been brainwashed into thinking it's the norm and I dunno it confuses me. It's like they get pissed out of their minds to please their social circle. It's right to say men should be more reserved and shouldn't take advantage of women who are completely drunk, but who's to say a stinking drunk male has much control over his state of mind? I feel the drinking culture in Britain is becoming more and more of a threat to society. If I was a woman I don't feel like I would be comfortable going to a club and getting wrecked, I worry about my sister sometimes who comes home absolutely smashed, stumbling up the stairs and needing one of her friends to walk her to her front door. I just feel like it's not wrong to dismiss the idea that although women may not be to blame, they hold a certain responsibility as well. It's like driving sober, and driving drunk, you're more likely to have an accident whilst drunk, and you can't always rely on the car and other drivers to prevent that from happening.[/QUOTE] As long as your sister is with her friends and they kinda look out for each other, "getting paved" isn't really dangerous as such. And the driving analogy is flawed. If we had to do a car analogy, it'd be more in the league of "Girl walks on the sidewalk and a man driving in the wrong lane smashes into her. She was too drunk to react before it hit her". She doesn't hold any responsibility in "getting hit by car" part, but she might've avoided the car if she hadn't been so drunk.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40356248]I think you should watch the video. This is about a not-that-drunk man taking advantage of a [I]really[/I] drunk, that earlier on rejected him. She's not in a state where she can really consent, and that's why it's kinda rape, even if he doesn't outright use force. If they were both equally drunk, then both parties can go on to regret it later on for all I care, but that's not the case here.[/QUOTE] I didn't see her rejecting him and they always showed him drinking so I didn't really get that, but I see now how that's pretty bad. But the flatmate didn't know about any of that and still cockblocked him. Is she supposed to expect every guy to come home with that chick to be an evil rapist?

[QUOTE=Robber;40356477]I didn't see her rejecting him and they always showed him drinking so I didn't really get that, but I see now how that's pretty bad. But the flatmate didn't know about any of that and still cockblocked him. Is she supposed to expect every guy to come home with that chick to be an evil rapist?[/QUOTE] She rejects him on the dance floor around 1:30, even though it's subtle. When you see someone pulling your blackout drunk friend towards the bedroom, you should really take a second and check whether they're okay. Really, in general check on people - you don't have to nag strangers, but sometimes it's good idea to check even on them.

[QUOTE=Robber;40356160]How is it rape if they both get drunk as fuck and have sex?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Robber;40356477]I didn't see her rejecting him and they always showed him drinking so I didn't really get that, but I see now how that's pretty bad. But the flatmate didn't know about any of that and still cockblocked him. Is she supposed to expect every guy to come home with that chick to be an evil rapist?[/QUOTE] err yeah if she wanted to have sex with him she could have spoken up and told her roomate that it's fine. The fact that she didn't really say anything and he was totally coherent shows it's more than just drunken sex. [editline]20th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40356082]It is useless, he is a misandrist after all. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img546/8076/shadybisnis.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] The beginning of a beautiful friendship of two man-hating feminists. :D

It is sad when you realize you don't live in a world where you can't get shitfaced all you want without some internet moralist arguing over a forum if it is your fault or not- :(

Why are there so many fucking rape apologists on this forum

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;40357985]Why are there so many fucking rape apologists on this forum[/QUOTE] It's just not rape, as I said before, It's a very shitty and bad thing to do and is absolutely a crime. But it's not even in the same ballpark as forcefully fucking someone who is struggling and vocally protesting.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;40357985]Why are there so many fucking rape apologists on this forum[/QUOTE] Hint: it has to do with little social interaction and the internet

this may sound crazy, but you all have good points

[QUOTE=Overactor;40358464]It's just not rape, as I said before, It's a very shitty and bad thing to do and is absolutely a crime. But it's not even in the same ballpark as forcefully fucking someone who is struggling and vocally protesting.[/QUOTE] What crime is it then, if it's not rape?

Jesus this thread went from people arguing that the girl (and any girl that ends up in this situation) should be held responsible for getting shitfaced without responsible people to look after her, but not held responsible for being raped, to people just straight up saying the rapist is justified in this situation. wtf. i still stand by my point that these situations are easily avoided if people are simply responsible, don't get blacked out drunk to the point where you can't refuse sex with a stranger if you don't have people to look after you in the first place. doesn't mean that if it happens and they're raped that the rapist is in the clear because the victim wasn't responsible. doesn't mean you can't get shit faced, just do it with people you trust will look after you. fuck i'm planning on getting wasted tonight and hitting up some local clubs, guess what i'm doing? going with my best friends and having one that i could trust with my life be DD and look after me so i don't end up doing something stupid. there's so much stupid situations (like the one in the god damn OP) which can be avoided if you simply think ahead. even if you're not going to get completely drunk, if you're going out drinking, go with responsible people. simple as that

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40355809]the video is not about drinking responsibly, it's about teaching men who are somewhat ignorant about this issue. also it has been stated quite a few times that the woman in the video was manipulated into drinking more than she should have[/QUOTE] yes, only men are ignorant of this issue. totally [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Snord;40357175]It is sad when you realize you don't live in a world where you can't get shitfaced all you want without some internet moralist arguing over a forum if it is your fault or not- :([/QUOTE] is this sarcasm

[QUOTE=JimmyRobot;40339531]This is probably why people think that alcohol = rape, you cant think straight when you are flat out drunk and you cant judge situations too well. The guy mabye thought that since she got home with him it was all green for sex. Tbh. I fucking hate girls that gets home with you then just flat out refuses having sex with you, like, why did you even follow me home? To cuddle? EDIT: Inb4 dumbs. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] yeah rigjt i mean fuck women they should.be obligated.to have sex with you when you want it [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] whats it like being a pig fuck [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE] its easy to get drunker than you intended to at a good party but yeah no i totally agree i dont have to go to parties to have a good time ive got my LoL, skype friends and anime conventions!!

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40363504]its easy to get drunker than you intended to at a good party but yeah no i totally agree i dont have to go to parties to have a good time ive got my LoL, skype friends and anime conventions!![/QUOTE] good job stereotyping there real excellent way to counter someone's point by assuming something about them and trying to insult them clap clap clap

[QUOTE=Overactor;40358464]It's just not rape, as I said before, It's a very shitty and bad thing to do and is absolutely a crime. But it's not even in the same ballpark as forcefully fucking someone who is struggling and vocally protesting.[/QUOTE] Woh hold on, are you saying that having sex with someone who is black-out drunk isn't rape? Because if so that is fucked up.

[QUOTE=Valnar;40363991]Woh hold on, are you saying that having sex with someone who is black-out drunk isn't rape? Because if so that is fucked up.[/QUOTE] It's horrible and definitely a sexual assault. But if that person kissed you before and never said she didn't want to have sex, it's by far not as bad as holding someone down and having forceful sex with them. How can you disagree with that? Look, the guy gets a bit drunk, sees his chance with a girl and acts like a major douchebag and has sex with her knowing she will regret it immensely after. Is it wrong? Yes. Does he deserve punishment? Yes. Does he deserve to be labeled a rapist for the rest of his life? No. Of course there are varying degrees there, sometimes it's going to be partially poor judgement, sometimes it's going to be entirely intentional. And I very much agree that people should be aware that this is a problem.

[QUOTE=Overactor;40366591]It's horrible and definitely a sexual assault. But if that person kissed you before and never said she didn't want to have sex, it's by far not as bad as holding someone down and having forceful sex with them. How can you disagree with that?[/QUOTE] I disagree with that because there is no such thing as implied consent. Someone not saying "yes" doesn't mean you should assume "yes". Kissing doesn't mean consent to sex either.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40366633]I disagree with that because there is no such thing as implied consent. Someone not saying "yes" doesn't mean you should assume "yes". Kissing doesn't mean consent to sex either.[/QUOTE] I never said it was okay, I just said it was less bad than raping someone with brute force when you are entirely sober. Why is no one addressing that part of my argument (the only thing I am saying really)? I repeat, I never said it's excusable, just not on the same level as what i see as rape.

[QUOTE=Overactor;40366591]It's horrible and definitely a sexual assault. But if that person kissed you before and never said she didn't want to have sex, it's by far not as bad as holding someone down and having forceful sex with them. How can you disagree with that?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Overactor;40366683]I never said it was okay, I just said it was less bad than raping someone with brute force when you are entirely sober. Why is no one addressing that part of my argument (the only thing I am saying really)? I repeat, I never said it's excusable, just not on the same level as what i see as rape.[/QUOTE] Rape doesn't have to be brutal to be called rape. If I'd put a gun to a girls head and fuck her tenderly it's still rape. If I'd spike a girl's drink so that she wouldn't resist, take her home and fuck her tenderly it's still rape. And if I get a girl shitfaced so that she can't resist, or can't even tell what the fuck is going on, take her home and fuck her tenderly it's still rape. [QUOTE=Overactor;40366591]Look, the guy gets a bit drunk, sees his chance with a girl and acts like a major douchebag and has sex with her knowing she will regret it immensely after. Is it wrong? Yes. Does he deserve punishment? Yes. Does he deserve to be labeled a rapist for the rest of his life? No.[/QUOTE] Of course he should be labeled a rapist. This behavior is not excusable.

That guy in the video was pretty beta.