[QUOTE=BCell;18064351]Oh what will they think of next?
[b] This just in, Farting accelerate global warming![/b]
[editline]03:52AM[/editline]
And then people will go batshit insane not to let loose a flatulence[/QUOTE]
Er, not really.
Yeah, the farting of cows has been mentioned in the past, but that's different. The cattle industry is so fucking bloated and huge that it does start to have an effect on CO2 levels. I mean, I don't think that it's right to limit it because of that, and it hasn't been so far, but it's worth mention.
Our bowel functions aren't up for debate, unless we recently took an interest in genocide.
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;18063760]Because that totally happened.
Also the problem with global warming is that we don't know its effect on various parts of the world. The recent cooldown of the UK has been attributed to global warming.[/QUOTE]
Thats a joke.
[U][B]BRING IT ON[/B][/U]
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18064478]Er, not really.
Yeah, the farting of cows has been mentioned in the past, but that's different. The cattle industry is so fucking bloated and huge that it does start to have an effect on CO2 levels. I mean, I don't think that it's right to limit it because of that, and it hasn't been so far, but it's worth mention.[/QUOTE]
Oh god, the old cow fart thing. See how far out of perspective some of the enviro-nuts can get? What's funny is that cows farting doesn't do a damn thing to the aptmosphere. That Co2 came from the plants the cow ate. The plants got it directly out of the air. If the cow hadn't eaten the plants, they still would have died and rotted, releasing the Co2 back into the air anyway. It's a short and pointless loop..
You really think plant decomposition and cow digestion has the same release of CO2?
By the way, do you know the massive fucking number of cows around the world? Most of it is shit beef anyway.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18072069]You really think plant decomposition and cow digestion has the same release of CO2?
By the way, do you know the massive fucking number of cows around the world? Most of it is shit beef anyway.[/QUOTE]
A cow is just a mobile compost heap. The grass would still compost on the ground, although it may take a little longer than the bovine digestion. It's not like the cows composting/digestion process can just magically create new carbon or oxygen. Cows have the same digestive bacteria found in the soil anyway.. Same plants + Same bacteria = Same C02 release. Reaction time is the only real variable.
Btw, it's only shit beef if you don't know how to cook it properly. I picked up half a steer from a family member a couple years ago. Deep froze most of it. The steer had been grass fed (no corn or special feed) so the flavor was a little different (better than corn-fed I think) and although it was tough, cooking it nice and slow in the oven, opposite the fire in my pit, or well tenderized, hot and fast on the stove and it was damned delicious.
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18077588]A cow is just a mobile compost heap. The grass would still compost on the ground, although it may take a little longer than the bovine digestion.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't most grass dry when it dies? If so, does that let out any co2?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;18077651]Doesn't most grass dry when it dies? If so, does that let out any co2?[/QUOTE]
You can't see them without a microscope but there are swarms of bacteria living on and in the soil. When plants die, those bacteria go nuts and start munching. Cellulose, which tough plant fibers are made of, is essentially long interlaced chains of sugar(C6-H10-O5). Bacteria have the enzymes do break down the fibers and make a meal of it pretty fast. As they eat, they fart the Co2 the plants had gathered during their lives (freeing the hydrogen from the cellulose molecules to produce energy).
The C02 really is just taking a short vacation from the atmosphere when grass and plants are consumed by cows. The time between when the plant captures carbon dioxide and builds cellulose with it and its release through bacterial digestion may be as little as a few months.
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18077588]A cow is just a mobile compost heap. The grass would still compost on the ground, although it may take a little longer than the bovine digestion. It's not like the cows composting/digestion process can just magically create new carbon or oxygen. Cows have the same digestive bacteria found in the soil anyway.. Same plants + Same bacteria = Same C02 release. Reaction time is the only real variable.
Btw, it's only shit beef if you don't know how to cook it properly. I picked up half a steer from a family member a couple years ago. Deep froze most of it. The steer had been grass fed (no corn or special feed) so the flavor was a little different (better than corn-fed I think) and although it was tough, cooking it nice and slow in the oven, opposite the fire in my pit, or well tenderized, hot and fast on the stove and it was damned delicious.[/QUOTE]
OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO RETARDED.
it's the methane produced by cows that fucks everything up
the co2 isnt the issue
jesus
i dont even read posts any more i just post post 24/7 all the time see a thread gotta post or else if i dont post i could miss out on history....
[editline]03:47PM[/editline]
what im saying is that cows are worse than hitler
[QUOTE=Master_Jeeves;18056146]^
This man has it down.[/QUOTE]
Your mother also has it down. In bed :smug:
[QUOTE=Firerain;18078915]
it's the methane produced by cows that fucks everything up
the co2 isnt the issue
jesus
i dont even read posts any more i just post post 24/7 all the time see a thread gotta post or else if i dont post i could miss out on history....
[editline]03:47PM[/editline]
what im saying is that cows are worse than hitler[/QUOTE]
Methane (carbon and hydrogen molecule) naturally oxidizes in the atmosphere in a few short years releasing.. you guessed it.. CO2. Methane isn't an issue in global warming because it doesn't hang around long enough to be a problem. We're still left with the same carbon dioxide loop with livestock.
[QUOTE=Firerain;18078915]OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO RETARDED.[/QUOTE]
God damn I hate stupid people. Just sit down and be quiet and you won't look quite so clueless..
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18079423]
God damn I hate stupid people. Just sit down and be quiet and you won't look quite so clueless..[/QUOTE]
Stfu you're talking to Firerain.
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18079423]Methane (carbon and hydrogen molecule) naturally oxidizes in the atmosphere in a few short years releasing.. you guessed it.. CO2. Methane isn't an issue in global warming because it doesn't hang around long enough to be a problem. We're still left with the same carbon dioxide loop with livestock.
God damn I hate stupid people. Just sit down and be quiet and you won't look quite so clueless..[/QUOTE]
hahahaha
you are retarded.
it is an issue because guess what COWS ARENT GOING AWAY AND ITS AN ISSUE WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
kill yourself
[editline]06:13PM[/editline]
Who cares if there is a constant supply of it, at an ever increasing rate as the developing world's demand for meat rises, it only lasts a little while! Cows only exist at one point in time. Ever.
[editline]06:13PM[/editline]
I am a scinetisttttt!!!
Fucking rotting plant matter makes methane too! Should we scoop up all the leaf litter from forests floors and rotting seaweed from our beaches and bury it, just because [quote]ITS AN ISSUE WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.[/quote]? It's a stupid argument with the cow flatulence, and I'm not going to waste time trying to explain why any more.
[quote]kill yourself[/quote]
Please man.. for the love of the species.. Don't ever breed. We've got enough people pissing in the gene pool on a daily basis as it is..
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18081426]and I'm not going to waste time trying to explain why any more.[/QUOTE]
Because you aren't going to win
you are a moron
meat production has lead to massive methane amounts and it is entirely controlled by humans.
the rotting of vegetation is not man made. so it is not the same at all
you are wrong.
you do not know what you are talking about.
[QUOTE=Root Beer;18081452]Because you aren't going to win[/QUOTE]
When you can teach a baboon to play Mozart and wipe its own ass, I'll give it a shot. Right now, the prospects of either figuring things out are looking pretty bad.
you are barely coherant just stop posting you massive idiot.
[QUOTE=Firerain;18081460]you are a moron
meat production has lead to massive methane amounts and it is entirely controlled by humans.
the rotting of vegetation is not man made. so it is not the same at all
you are wrong.
you do not know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
The plants would rot anyway, whether the cows ate them or not! Don't you get it? Methane and CO2 still produced! Admittadly, the CO2 loop might be a little longer, but that's not going to make the planet melt. We've got bigger problem where global warming is concerned.
--->!!GROWING FOOD FOR CATTLE TAKES CO2 OUT OF THE AIR!!<---. When the cow eats the food, it just goes back into the air. In the long term, it all evens out.
Oil and gas simply release CO2. -->THERE'S NO PULLING IT OUT OF THE AIR BEFOREHAND!<-- (it was pulled millions of years ago and built up). This is where the long-term impact is.
I'm sorry man. Anyone with some basic math education should be able to recognize that this is an equation with a negative on one side and a positive on the other. I can't make it any more simple for you.
you just dontt understand how it works. At all.
[img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46629000/gif/_46629048_methane_gas2_466in.gif[/img]
livestock farming generates 18% of the planet's greenhouse gas emissions.
cars/boats/trains/planes are 13%
the argument isnt over the damage that methane does in general, but the methane produced by human farming.
how do you think they feed these massive herds?
they clear forest to plant soya
the slaughter and transport element also has emissions
manure gives off nitros oxide
methane from livestock accounts for about 6% of greenhouse gas emissions, with 6% from CO2 released when forests are cleared for pasture and to produce soy for feeds.
[editline]07:34PM[/editline]
stop fucking posting you clueless retard
[editline]07:35PM[/editline]
Here look i will make it simple
the co2 is not cancelled out by plants because of the deforestation to feed cattle
deforestation = emissions
cattle = emissions
slaughter = emissions
transport = emissions
you = retard
[quote]Growing their food TAKES CO2 out of the air.[/quote]
No, no it doesnt
[QUOTE=Firerain;18081784]
[quote]Growing their food TAKES CO2 out of the air.[/quote]
No, no it doesnt[/QUOTE]
Here's why you're stupid:
All plants use CO2. Modern farming packs a lot of plants onto a small area. That means even more CO2 removed from the air than your precious grasslands or stupid forests would.
To boil it down, you're a tree hugger and your panties are in a wad that I like meat and don't care about the forests. Problem solved! :fuckyou:
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18082892]Here's why you're stupid.[/QUOTE]
The CO2 amounts that the forests would have reduced is far higher than the CO2 amounts that the plants used for animal feeds reduce.
Sorry. Stop posting.
[editline]08:36PM[/editline]
[quote=psycho0124;18082892]
all plants use co2.[/quote]
are you fucking kidding me?
You are a huge, huge retard.
[quote]Photosynthesis (from the Greek φώτο- [photo-], "light," and σύνθεσις [synthesis], "putting together.", "composition") is a process that converts CARBON DIOXIDE into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight.[/quote]
Anything that uses photosynthesis is going to use CO2. Sorry man. It's part of the process.
Also a modern farm field is gonna have, by weight, a lot more green stuff than a forest would. Tree trunks don't count because the plant doesn't photosynthesize in them (which is why they're not green). Only the tips of those big trees do anything with the gasses in the air.
You've misunderstood something basic and ended up insulting (repeatedly) someone more informed then yourself. Congratulations.
are you really that stupid that you think you have to fucking debate that plants turn co2 to oxygen
what
-what-
nobody is ever going to debate that fact
the issue is, that the plants used for animal feed PHOTOSYNTHASISE A GREAT DEAL LESS THAN THE FOREST THAT EXISTED BEFORE THEM.
its not
complicated
stop
posting
HOW IS IT NOT CLEAR FROM MY POST JESUS CHRIST
[QUOTE]The CO2 amounts that the forests would have reduced is far higher than the CO2 amounts that the plants used for animal feeds reduce.[/QUOTE]
LOOK
RIGHT THERE.
A STATEMENT SHOWING THAT I ACCEPT BOTH THE FOREST, AND THE PLANTS USED FOR FEEDING CONVERT CO2 TO OXYGYEN
you are a worthless human being
[QUOTE=:smug:;18079176]Your mother also has it down. In bed :smug:[/QUOTE]
ZZING!!!!
caps
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18083009]Anything that uses photosynthesis is going to use CO2. Sorry man. It's part of the process.
Also a modern farm field is gonna have, by weight, a lot more green stuff than a forest would. Tree trunks don't count because the plant doesn't photosynthesize in them (which is why they're not green). Only the tips of those big trees do anything with the gasses in the air.
You've misunderstood something basic and ended up insulting (repeatedly) someone more informed then yourself. Congratulations.[/QUOTE]
hahaha so you dont believe deforestation is an issue for global warming at all
ok
i am not going to explain this to you because you are literally retarded
bye
[img]http://www.grida.no/_res/site/Image/series/vg-lac/large/17.jpg[/img]
GUESS WHAT, THE MAJORITY OF CATTLE ISN'T IN THE WEST,
THE FARMING METHODS ARE NOT MODERN AT ALL.
THEY CUT DOWN THE AMAZON, AND PLANT SHITTY, SHITTY CROPS
YOU ARE A CLUELESS.
[img]http://www.cwbiodiesel.com/images/art/carboncycle.gif[/img]
STFU
You're throwing a fit over the tiny differential in the 'changing land use' section when it's fossil fuels that are the significant issue. It sure sound like you've bought into the bullshit tree-hugger propaganda to me.
Hippies in tie-die aren't gonna save the planet. Neither will deciding to avoid eating beef. It's mental masturbation stupid people engage in to make themselves feel better.
If you wanna make an appreciable difference, petition your congressmen (or other political representatives) to build nuclear power plants in your state/province. Stuffing corks in cows asses is just laughable..
that graph isnt relevant
what is wrong with you
[QUOTE=Psycho0124;18085483][img]http://www.cwbiodiesel.com/images/art/carboncycle.gif[/img]
STFU[/QUOTE]
HOLY FUCK A FLOW CHART THAT GIVES NO CONTEXT FOR ANYTHING
wrap it up guys, we've lost
i mean thats like me posting a picture of the fucking water cycle
stop posting here
[QUOTE=Firerain;18081784]you just dontt understand how it works. At all.
[img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46629000/gif/_46629048_methane_gas2_466in.gif[/img]
[/QUOTE]
what the hell is up with non-western cows I had a hamburger outside of the u.s. once and it was most definitely not made out of humpbacked alien cow meat what gives
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