[QUOTE=Bloodshed16;22412260]First off, I understand the chemical [U]dependency[/U] of some addictions, and I am NOT referring to that type of addiction. I'm referring to cigarettes and the like.
I would like to start by saying I think people have addictive personalities, which makes it hard for them to let go of it. Maybe they like doing it and need an excuse to continue doing it. People can do what they want, I'm not saying they should stop. I'm just trying to understand how they can be "addicted" if they really do want to quit. Me? I don't really have a problem with addiction, I've never been addicted to anything. As a result, I don't understand people who find themselves addicted.
Furthermore, I understand that it's chemical based. I'm not asking how addiction works, I'm asking why people have such a hard time with it.
Normally I write tl;dr threads, so I'll keep this one short.
Addiction? Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Cigarettes have addictive properties, the chemicals in the cigs give the user a certain feeling (I dunno, i don't smoke.) The more often they smoke the harder it is to quit. I had a friend who smoked A LOT. I mean a lot and he tried to stop cold turkey and ended up throwing up a few times because of the physical withdraw.
Though as for personality, we all like things that make us feel good. Therefor we go back to them depending on the availability.
[QUOTE=Minorkos;22412735]I remember reading that cigarettes cause nearly as much chemical addiction as heroin does
Dunno if it's true[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's pretty similar. Cocaine is up there too but Heroin is number one.
The definition of addiction is when your body has a physical need for a certain chemical, even with smoking and and nicotine you still have a physical craving and get withdrawal symptoms, when you stop, which cant be helped.
Addiction is so real, when i first bought World of Warcraft i would lock myself in my room and play in until i passed out from being so time play 24 at a time
Edited:
I became quite sick.
Go play WoW and find out
Yes. Science says so. Unless you're a freshman.
I believe there's two types of addiction. Mental and Chemical. Chemical is your heroin or your cigarettes. Mental is more something like the computer. Some people say they or others are addicted to the computer because they never do anything else, or they don't like to go off of the computer.
I think mental addiction is fake. People just keep doing what they are doing because they don't actually want to do anything else.
As for chemical addiction, I've never personally experienced it, so I wouldn't know. How ever I am tempted to make a self documentary of me smoking for something like 6 months, then trying to go cold turkey. Just to see what it's really like.
[QUOTE=The DooD;22413483]I believe there's two types of addiction. Mental and Chemical. Chemical is your heroin or your cigarettes. Mental is more something like the computer. Some people say they or others are addicted to the computer because they never do anything else, or they don't like to go off of the computer.
I think mental addiction is fake. People just keep doing what they are doing because they don't actually want to do anything else.
As for chemical addiction, I've never personally experienced it, so I wouldn't know. [U]How ever I am tempted to make a self documentary of me smoking for something like 6 months, then trying to go cold turkey. Just to see what it's really like.[/U][/QUOTE]
You're not alone. I've done it before, not for 6 months, though. I'm not willing to ruin my body for that long.
Anyone know of some addictive stuff that's not... Exceptionally bad for you? I don't wanna be too hypocritical of the situation if I haven't truly experienced "addiction."
[QUOTE=Bloodshed16;22413621]You're not alone. I've done it before, not for 6 months, though. I'm not willing to ruin my body for that long.
Anyone know of some addictive stuff that's not... Exceptionally bad for you? I don't wanna be too hypocritical of the situation if I haven't truly experienced "addiction."[/QUOTE]
The damage cigarettes do to you is pretty overrated. A few months of smoking isn't going to do serious damage and scar you for life, only cause a bit of short term damage. Unless you want to try crack, cigarettes are probably your best bet for overcoming a serious addiction.
Its how different people react to what they are taking. Some people do not handle with alcohol very well. Addiction can occur with absolutely anything to anyone so dont be ignorant to say you dont understand it because you obviously cant relate to it at all.
If you are interested go about it with some respect for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=Tyvak;22412565]I find the best way to avoid addiction is to never try whatever it is that could get you addicted in the first place. I'm never going to do any drugs (regardless of the fact that both my brothers and parents smoke marijuana and cigarettes) so I won't have any risk of getting addicted in the first place. I can't miss what I haven't got.[/QUOTE]
That's like saying you're going to constantly avoid water just so there is no chance you will drown in it. That you're never going to touch a car, so there's no chance to crash in it.
I'm heavily mentally addicted to nicotine lol..
I do just fine without it, but I JUST WANT A CIGARETTE SO BAD RIGHT NOW.
[QUOTE=Cookiemonster93;22413867]I'm heavily mentally addicted to nicotine lol..
I do just fine without it, but I JUST WANT A CIGARETTE SO BAD RIGHT NOW.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but most people seem to be more addicted to the habit, than the nicotine. Which explains why patches and gum rarely work. Wouldn't this imply cigarette addiction is HEAVILY habit based, and chemicals are just an easy rope to grab? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying chemicals aren't part of it. But I think it's overplayed a lot.
Usually addictions slowly escalate in power. At first, it's pretty harmless, but as it grows on you it normally overtakes you before you realize you have it in the first place.
no shit
Try weaning yourself off something that makes you feel great, and you love.
That, in a way, is addiction.
[QUOTE=MonkeyMan44;22413848]That's like saying you're going to constantly avoid water just so there is no chance you will drown in it. That you're never going to touch a car, so there's no chance to crash in it.[/QUOTE]
Well you can't get addicted to neither water or cars. It's the addiction itself that's the danger, not the immediate effects of the practice.
I can't stop masturbating.
believe me I've tried.
Therefore addiction is real.
[QUOTE=CourageDog;22414025]Try weaning yourself off something that makes you feel great, and you love.
That, in a way, is addiction.[/QUOTE]
If it doesn't risk harming you or others around you it's not an unhealthy addiction at least. For instance, masturbation is healthy :smug:
[QUOTE=CourageDog;22414025]Try weaning yourself off something that makes you feel great, and you love.
That, in a way, is addiction.[/QUOTE]
Hmm.. I get it, but like I said, this is mostly directed at those who want to quit doing something. If I love doing something, I feel no need to quit. I feel as though an emotional connection to someone (or something) is a bit irrelevant to these supposed "uncontrollable" chemicals.
My God, Bloodshed16 has realised something countless generations of dedicated research scientists were too stupid to notice!
[QUOTE=Splurgy;22414163]My God, Bloodshed16 has realised something countless generations of dedicated research scientists were too stupid to notice![/QUOTE]
"Too intelligent to learn" comes to mind.
addictions make you happy :)
[QUOTE=CourageDog;22414025]Try weaning yourself off something that makes you feel great, and you love.
That, in a way, is addiction.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Addiction comes in all forms, not limited to drugs. Gaming addiction, addiction to TV, to exercise, etc. Not all have a negative impact. Addiction is simply a habitual process that your brain becomes dependent on (speaking strictly on psychological addiction), like a form of OCD.
The problem with "addiction" is simply the taboo against it. People seem to assume they have no addictions, when in reality, the vast majority of us do. Just because your addiction isn't destroying your liver doesn't mean it's not equally valid.
At any rate, it is human nature to seek out and acquire whatever makes us feel good.
Psychological dependencies are VERY real. Ask any coke addict.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22417059]Correct. Addiction comes in all forms, not limited to drugs. Gaming addiction, addiction to TV, to exercise, etc. Not all have a negative impact. Addiction is simply a habitual process that your brain becomes dependent on (speaking strictly on psychological addiction), like a form of OCD.
The problem with "addiction" is simply the taboo against it. People seem to assume they have no addictions, when in reality, the vast majority of us do. Just because your addiction isn't destroying your liver doesn't mean it's not equally valid.
At any rate, it is human nature to seek out and acquire whatever makes us feel good.[/QUOTE]
Missing the point on feel good addictions and addictions that are bad for you but for some reason can't quit.
Like I said, if it feels good, go for it. That's your call. But if you honestly want to just stop, what's really stopping you? Aside from actual dependency on it (assuming you really do need it, that is).
[QUOTE=Bloodshed16;22417458]Missing the point on feel good addictions and addictions that are bad for you but for some reason can't quit.
Like I said, if it feels good, go for it. That's your call. But if you honestly want to just stop, what's really stopping you? Aside from actual dependency on it (assuming you really do need it, that is).[/QUOTE]
Wait, how am I missing the point on that? I am perfectly of aware of feel good addictions and "bad for you" addictions. If you are addicted, it being bad for you becomes somewhat irrelevent, because it makes you feel good, and when you don't have it, you feel really bad, thus making you want to get it again. It's not incredibly complicated.
And it is the compulsive need that is stopping them. As one person stated earlier, it is the unique pathways in the brain that are created that fuel the need for whatever it is you're addicted to. If you do manage to quit, that will pass, but never completely.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22417624]Wait, how am I missing the point on that? I am perfectly of aware of feel good addictions and "bad for you" addictions. If you are addicted, it being bad for you becomes somewhat irrelevent, because it makes you feel good, and when you don't have it, you feel really bad, thus making you want to get it again. It's not incredibly complicated.
And it is the compulsive need that is stopping them. As one person stated earlier, it is the unique pathways in the brain that are created that fuel the need for whatever it is you're addicted to. If you do manage to quit, that will pass, but never completely.[/QUOTE]
It's not that the concept of addiction is complicated... What's complicated is understanding that people have a hard time quitting something they know is killing them (maybe). If you know it's bad for you, and you don't enjoy it, why continue doing it? Isn't a couple days/weeks/whatever of "suffering" worth it to better yourself?
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22417624]If you are addicted, it being bad for you becomes somewhat irrelevent, because it makes you feel good, and when you don't have it, you feel really bad, thus making you want to get it again. It's not incredibly complicated.
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This can't be the entire truth, because there are many people who continue to smoke even though they know each cigarette brings them one step closer to lung cancer. I think the question is what keeps them going when they truthfully know that they shouldn't? Do they have a tiny "oh fuck it"-moment before every smoke break, or what is the deal?
[QUOTE=bubbo;22416801]addictions make you happy :)[/QUOTE]
Not really.
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