The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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I'm lonely, but I can't stand hanging out with people. I don't understand.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;30787313]I'm lonely, but I can't stand hanging out with people. I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
I know that feel
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30755546][url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001941/[/url]
"The exact causes of depression are unknown"
it varies from person to person.
Most depression is caused by environmental,social, and personal issues. This causes a chemical imbalance.
So if you were to start taking medication for depression that is triggered by environmental and social factors, and never address what caused you to be depressed in the first place, then yes, you're masking it.
Because chances if you stop taking your medication you will relapse back into depression because you never addressed what caused your "chemical imbalance"/depression in the first place. Thats how its masking it.
Implying depression is just a chemical imbalance that can be cured by medication is wrong.
Medication isn't the godly cure to depression for everybody or for most people in the long run.[/QUOTE]
where the fuck did I ever say or imply that medication was the godly cure to depression
the best approach to dealing with depression is a COMBINATION of therapy and taking medication. no one ever fucking said that medication was the "godly cure to depression."
your original post: [quote]Medication just masks the issues and problems that are causing you to be depressed[/quote] is wrong
[QUOTE=JDK721;30787515]where the fuck did I ever say or imply that medication was the godly cure to depression
the best approach to dealing with depression is a COMBINATION of therapy and taking medication. no one ever fucking said that medication was the "godly cure to depression."
your original post: is wrong[/QUOTE]
Chill man, chill. Both are useful. His point was that taking medication or any kind of drug doesn't solve problems with deeper roots than just chemical imbalances that cause bad feelings. You have a valid point as well.
[QUOTE=Octave;30788517]Chill man, chill. Both are useful. His point was that taking medication or any kind of drug doesn't solve problems with deeper roots than just chemical imbalances that cause bad feelings. You have a valid point as well.[/QUOTE]
except he originally said that "medication masks the issues"
[QUOTE=Shoupie;30787313]I'm lonely, but I can't stand hanging out with people. I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Are you hanging around with the right people?
You took what I said to literally
But you implied it when you went out of your way to say depression is just a chemical imbalance and that medication doesn't mask the issue.
Medication is a temporary treatment for depression, which i think should be used in extreme cases, but even then, some medication increase thoughts of suicide, and are a complete personality killer. If someone just takes medication and doesn't go to therapy, then yeah, in a few years theres a good chance they will get fucked up again in the head.
So yes, medication does just suppress/mask the effects of depression, doesn't cure it. Does that mean someone shouldn't take it? Nah you can take the meds all you want, but for god sakes, go to a therapist if your going to be taking medication.
Also you should get some meds (no wait therapy ahahah), cause you're awfully mad over a debate of Medication VS therapy.
Oh hey why haven't I seen this thread before?
So uh, I'm 15 and diagnosed with Severe anxiety(agoraphobia,panic attacks, etc), depression, mild-OCD, Insomnia and some other random stuff I forget. It's been really hard on me. I've been diagnosed when I was 14 (1/4 of the school year), after I got a panic attack in class and completely freaked out. From there, I started taking Celexa, seeing my doctor every 3 weeks and seeing a counselor every week. It got worse, thought my life was going to end. I stopped going to school, even though my parents would try to force me to go to it; I didn't. I'd lay in bed all day and not do anything.
Then I started getting better after I started getting more involved with the therapy from my counselor. I went to school for about a month, then things got bad again. I haven't been to school since uh... February, and well school is finished now so it's less trouble. Lately, my doctor changed my medication to Venlafaxine. I'm still seeing my counselor and shit.
To be honest, this has pretty much ruined my life. I stopped doing sports, I stopped going outside, I've grown into a hermit and barely go out anymore. Haven't seen my friends in god knows how long.. My friends try to get me outside but I'm just.. scared, and can't. Lately the thought that this is never going to work and I'm never going to get out of this anxiety is getting to me and I don't know what to do anymore.. :sad:.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30791853]You took what I said to literally
But you implied it when you went out of your way to say depression is just a chemical imbalance and that medication doesn't mask the issue.
Medication is a temporary treatment for depression, which i think should be used in extreme cases, but even then, some medication increase thoughts of suicide, and are a complete personality killer. If someone just takes medication and doesn't go to therapy, then yeah, in a few years theres a good chance they will get fucked up again in the head.
So yes, medication does just suppress/mask the effects of depression, doesn't cure it. Does that mean someone shouldn't take it? Nah you can take the meds all you want, but for god sakes, go to a therapist if your going to be taking medication.[/QUOTE]
medication doesn't mask the issue for the third time. it increases the flow of serotonin in a person's brain, which in return makes them have a more upbeat mood. studies have shown that depressed people have less serotonin than non depressed people. what don't you understand about this?
and I already said that the best treatment for depression is a COMBINATION of medication and therapy. not just solely therapy and not just solely medication. BOTH of them in conjunction.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30791853]Also you should get some meds (no wait therapy ahahah), cause you're awfully mad over a debate of Medication VS therapy.[/QUOTE]
lol :xd:
[QUOTE=JDK721;30792173]medication doesn't mask the issue for the third time. it increases the flow of serotonin in a person's brain, which in return makes them have a more upbeat mood. studies have shown that depressed people have less serotonin than non depressed people.[/QUOTE]
Thats masking the issue.
If someone is depressed because they have mommy issues, then you give them some medication to increase the flow of serotonin in their brain, then yeah they will be a upbeat person. But remove the medication from the persons life, chances are the persons going to lapse back into depression. Because he still has mommy issues.
I think you misunderstand the my use of the word "masking"
By masking I mean, the act of removing symptoms of something with the use of medication but not addressing the what originally caused the issue in the first place.
Now lets stop arueing over this stupid shit, cause we obviously both agree that therapy should go along with medication. Its only come down to a disagreement on the usage of the word "masking"
[editline]30th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=br4ww;30792062]
To be honest, this has pretty much ruined my life. I stopped doing sports, I stopped going outside, I've grown into a hermit and barely go out anymore. Haven't seen my friends in god knows how long.. My friends try to get me outside but I'm just.. scared, and can't. Lately the thought that this is never going to work and I'm never going to get out of this anxiety is getting to me and I don't know what to do anymore.. :sad:.[/QUOTE]
You're young, you're 15, you are not even a 1/4th through your life.
Only you can let it ruin you life at this point. And only you have the ability to pull your self out of this.
Now obviously you can't just go "hur im going outside" like that, try to work your self up to it.
Let your friends attempts to get you outside be successful now and then. Work your way out of it.
And try not to give up.
Scout, why aren't you taking this seriously?
This is a pretty serious topic.
[QUOTE=Back_Slash;30792601]Scout, why aren't you taking this seriously?
This is a pretty serious topic.[/QUOTE]
Because i think people should address what causes depression and go to therapy instead of just dope up makes me taking the topic as a joke? Or because I used a little humor in my post with the phrase "hur im going outsidee"
Wow dude, thank you so much, for opening my eyes to the error of my ways.
The adults are talking bro, so go somewhere else if your going to accuse people.
Isn't it obvious that you won't go nowhere by just taking medication..?
I thought everybody knew this.
Im sorta surprised I have not offed myself yet
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30792466]You're young, you're 15, you are not even a 1/4th through your life.[/QUOTE]
Well, he could die tomorrow. I probably shouldn't have said that in this thread, though. So, uhh...carpe diem?
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30792466]You're young, you're 15, you are not even a 1/4th through your life.
Only you can let it ruin you life at this point. And only you have the ability to pull your self out of this.
Now obviously you can't just go "hur im going outside" like that, try to work your self up to it.
Let your friends attempts to get you outside be successful now and then. Work your way out of it.
And try not to give up.[/QUOTE]
Well, the teenages are a big part of life as they shape who you are to become.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;30794017]Because i think people should address what causes depression and go to therapy instead of just dope up makes me taking the topic as a joke?[/QUOTE]
I don't think ANYONE in this thread has argued that a depressed person should just take medication and expect it to cure depression alone and not go to therapy
you're the one that brought it up
To be honest I don't think medification works very well at all. But I guess in most cases everything will be fine and the people won't be depressed after half a year and that's when they say the medicine is supposed to work. So it's a scam but still something to hold on to untill everything gets better instead of just the thought of that all is gonna be better, which most people don't actually believe in.
I've taken two kinds of medicines, and none of them have made me feel that much better depression wise except that I sleep alot better on one of them.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30806259]To be honest I don't think medification works very well at all. But I guess in most cases everything will be fine and the people won't be depressed after half a year and that's when they say the medicine is supposed to work. So it's a scam but still something to hold on to untill everything gets better instead of just the thought of that all is gonna be better, which most people don't actually believe in.
I've taken two kinds of medicines, and none of them have made me feel that much better depression wise except that I sleep alot better on one of them.[/QUOTE]
I've been on Zoloft since I was 5 (I'm 17 now) and it still works just about the same for me as it always has, though I've been on varying dosages.
But you might be right; it could just be a scam. (I have my own theories revolving around pharmaceutical companies.) Or it could be that your brain chemistry is still changing, which just naturally happens especially in adolescence and early adulthood, so you don't respond the same to the drug like you used to.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30806259]To be honest I don't think medification works very well at all. But I guess in most cases everything will be fine and the people won't be depressed after half a year and that's when they say the medicine is supposed to work. So it's a scam but still something to hold on to untill everything gets better instead of just the thought of that all is gonna be better, which most people don't actually believe in.
I've taken two kinds of medicines, and none of them have made me feel that much better depression wise except that I sleep alot better on one of them.[/QUOTE]
so since only TWO different medications didn't work for you personally, you're going to use that personal experience to make a bold statement that antidepressants don't work?
[QUOTE=JDK721;30808997]so since only TWO different medications didn't work for you personally, you're going to use that personal experience to make a bold statement that antidepressants don't work?[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely stating that antidepressants don't work, and while I am implying it may be so I'm talking from not only personal experience but experience with friends, and like I said, antidepressants are apparently supposed to take a long time, like half a year or more to actually work, which I actually don't understand, they're drugs, they should affect the system alot earlier than that.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30809783]I'm not entirely stating that antidepressants don't work, and while I am implying it may be so I'm talking from not only personal experience but experience with friends, and like I said, antidepressants are apparently supposed to take a long time, like half a year or more to actually work, which I actually don't understand, they're drugs, they should affect the system alot earlier than that.[/QUOTE]
they take two to six weeks to start working
[QUOTE=JDK721;30810821]they take two to six weeks to start working[/QUOTE]
Strange, that was never what I was told. Huh.
just when you are doing well for you reality strikes back.
goddamn.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;30807458]I've been on Zoloft since I was 5 (I'm 17 now) and it still works just about the same for me as it always has, though I've been on varying dosages.[/QUOTE]
Why were you saying you were depressed earlier in this thread if its been working for 12 years?
Unless your medication never really worked.
Just seeing a slight contradiction here.
[editline]30th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Str4fe;30811765]just when you are doing well for you reality strikes back.
goddamn.[/QUOTE]
Elaborate
I take prozac, does not do much for me =\
I constantly find myself in a state of mind where I don't feel like doing anything.
Like right now, I am starving...but...I am just too depressed to do anything.
[QUOTE=SSBMX;30812658]I take prozac, does not do much for me =\
I constantly find myself in a state of mind where I don't feel like doing anything.
Like right now, I am starving...but...I am just too depressed to do anything.[/QUOTE]
Well not eating won't make it better.
So there is some incentive to get up and address your hunger pangs.
I know it will not make it better, I just don't feel like doing ANYTHING. Even things that usually make me happy, they just don't help.
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