The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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[QUOTE=Octave;31629417]Haha my god you have no understanding of depression.[/QUOTE]
Well, he's kind of right. Pity alone won't cure depression.
[editline]9th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;31618199]I don't know if I'm depressed, and I really, really don't want to self diagnose, but I think I'm at the point where I have a problem. I read a quote from Hugh Laurie about how he realized he had an issue with depression when he participated in a charity monster truck race and felt rather bored even when cars were exploding around him. I bring this up because it made me realize how emotionally numb I think I may be. Today, my grandmother had a stroke, and I didn't even feel all that bad. I wasn't indifferent or completely non-empathetic - I realized how horrible this was. I also realized how scary it was that I didn't react like a normal person would. I don't get excited very easily - rather, the only emotions I feel other that the baseline is love and irritation. I don't want a diagnosis, I just want to know what the possible explanations could be.[/QUOTE]
Are you on any medications?
[QUOTE=Octave;31629417]Haha my god you have no understanding of depression.[/QUOTE]
Uh huh, I'm guessing all you have gotten is pity with very little help in actually moving past what is ailing you.
Unless you or flamehead5 face what really brings you down and tears you apart from the inside, then you'll never truly start to live happier. I know that's hard to do and it sounds like I'm telling you to go to hell, but until you start building yourself up and gaining momentum, you're going to continue to tear yourself down with complacency and pity being your only sources of happiness.
A friend of mine is really down atm because his girlfriend dumped him.
I'm gonna try my best to be there for him, I'm not letting him down. But I'm not a very stable person to rely on, so I'm not sure if I'm gonna make it. Do you have any tips or anything?
[editline]9th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Octave;31629417]Haha my god you have no understanding of depression.[/QUOTE]
He does, he was just telling flamehead how he should act and be, and in fact that's very much the cure to his depression, he wasn't even blunt about it. Ofcourse telling him how to be isn't gonna do it though because it's a big step to take.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;31631893]Well, he's kind of right. Pity alone won't cure depression.
[editline]9th August 2011[/editline]
Are you on any medications?[/QUOTE]
None currently, no.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31634862]A friend of mine is really down atm because his girlfriend dumped him.
I'm gonna try my best to be there for him, I'm not letting him down. But I'm not a very stable person to rely on, so I'm not sure if I'm gonna make it. Do you have any tips or anything?[/QUOTE]
Best thing you can do is keep him out of the house and hanging out with friends, like you, as often as possible.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;31628412]I swear that one of the guidelines of this thread was "Dont be an ass" not every reply you make on something has to be about how the last poster was dumb, especially in the DEPRESSION THREAD. Putting down people who are allready at the bottom doesnt really help them.[/QUOTE]
just because you're depressed doesn't give you any rights to ignore reality. If you ignore the fact that you're being insecure, than you really won't get anywhere in life, or make any progress with your depression. You have the wrong ideas about why your friend is getting all the ladies. It's not cause hes "dumb as a golf ball" or has a low IQ, and you're left high and dry because you're "brainy" it's because he has a thing called security and confidence. To lash out at Evilan because he's trying to help you by pointing out your issue is counter-productive. His post wasn't insulting, he's just pointing out the reality of the situation, you care too much and feel the need to compare yourself to other people, believe it or not, but people can smell that a mile away.
I'll echo Evilan's advice that you should chill and stop caring that "dumber" people are getting girls.
[QUOTE=Evilan;31632078]Uh huh, I'm guessing all you have gotten is pity with very little help in actually moving past what is ailing you.
Unless you or flamehead5 face what really brings you down and tears you apart from the inside, then you'll never truly start to live happier. I know that's hard to do and it sounds like I'm telling you to go to hell, but until you start building yourself up and gaining momentum, you're going to continue to tear yourself down with complacency and pity being your only sources of happiness.[/QUOTE]You were right with that advice. My gut reaction was just to say "this guy doesn't know anything about what I/other people have been through," which wasn't correct. You were wrong to assume that I'd only gotten pity though.
[QUOTE=Evilan;31632078]Uh huh, I'm guessing all you have gotten is pity with very little help in actually moving past what is ailing you.
Unless you or flamehead5 face what really brings you down and tears you apart from the inside, then you'll never truly start to live happier. I know that's hard to do and it sounds like I'm telling you to go to hell, but until you start building yourself up and gaining momentum, you're going to continue to tear yourself down with complacency and pity being your only sources of happiness.[/QUOTE]
This only applies to normal sadness, not clinical depression.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31639786]This only applies to normal sadness, not clinical depression.[/QUOTE]
This applies to everything. If you never face up and deal with what is causing you issues, you simply won't go anywhere.
To put it this way guys.
You can't be passive about depression.
You gotta tackle that shit head on.
I don't get over my worthless feeling by hoping for pity.
I work 6 days a week to do that. The point is find what makes you happy or gets your mind off it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31639786]This only applies to normal sadness, not clinical depression.[/QUOTE]
Face the facts; Only you have the power to improve your life. No one, no matter how much support and prodding they give you will make you change. It doesn't matter what stage of depression you're in, it's YOU who has to make the first step and put yourself into the process of change. Happiness and enjoyment won't come immediately, hell you'll probably struggle with depression all your life, but sitting down and letting it keep you from enjoying even part of the next 50+ years is complete bullshit. Quit looking at the stages of depression and self diagnosing yourself so poorly because you feel like utter crap. Do some research into what causes you to be depressed and strive towards controlling the feelings and thoughts inside that bring you down.
Seriously, if you are even somewhat determined about feeling like a human being again then look up CBT and start changing yourself.
While I agree with what you're saying about how to get out of a depression it's just not easy to do something like that.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31654024]While I agree with what you're saying about how to get out of a depression it's just not easy to do something like that.[/QUOTE]
That's why a lot people are depressed.
Weak people don't beat depression. You have to have some sort of will, or have the ability to figure out how to create that will to begin to address your problems.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31655173]That's why a lot people are depressed.
Weak people don't beat depression.[B] You have to have some sort of will, or have the ability to figure out how to create that will[/B] to begin to address your problems.[/QUOTE]
What does that even mean? What exactly is "will" and how do you just create it?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;31656475]What does that even mean? What exactly is "will" and how do you just create it?[/QUOTE]
Motivation.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31654024]While I agree with what you're saying about how to get out of a depression it's just not easy to do something like that.[/QUOTE]
No kidding, it isn't something you can shoot with a single magic bullet. If it was there wouldn't be intensive studies by psychiatrists and analysts on the best way to get out of the rut you're stuck in. It takes a conscious effort on your part to get up and do what needs to be done. No matter how much the depression in your head is screaming at you to just lay down on your couch and watch Jersey Shore for the rest of your years, you have to push through. Believe me, once you have one minor success or breakthrough, you'll begin to see more clearly what it is going to take to be rid of the depression that is plaguing you.
It's not like that one user who said "Just think happy thoughts and you'll be happy." You have to get in control of your emotions and break through the barriers that are holding you back in order to feel a glimpse of happiness.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31655173]Weak people don't beat depression[/QUOTE]
fuck off
[editline]11th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31656795]Motivation.[/QUOTE]
depressed people can't just pull some motivation out of their ass
lack of motivation is a SYMPTOM of depression
My very important friend's sister died before she was born.
That was years ago.
She cant seem to get over it. She tells me she can never recover from it, that she will live with this scar for the rest of her life. She tells me i can never understand.
Whatever i say to calm her down seems to make her even more aggressive, she keeps saying that i can not ever understand... I understand that everyone goes through the death of a sister, of a parent...
But she is right. I do not understand why she can not never ever get over the death of her sister who was never born in this world.
She says really kind of mean things like that its way worse than say the death of a grandfather... I respectfully disagree.
She doesnt want to talk to me anymore, even though all i did was try to make her calm down and understand.
Her sister was everything in her life, even though she never saw her.
How can i calm her down?
Woops cancel all that, she just laid something pretty heavy on me, and i understand now.
It wasnt entirely her sister she was scarred of, she is actually kind of... physically scarred.
I dont want to talk about it more.
[editline]11th August 2011[/editline]
And i got her to calm down and we talked about it.
All is fine.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;31677527]Woops cancel all that, she just laid something pretty heavy on me, and i understand now.
It wasnt entirely her sister she was scarred of, she is actually kind of... physically scarred.
I dont want to talk about it more.
[editline]11th August 2011[/editline]
And i got her to calm down and we talked about it.
All is fine.[/QUOTE]
There was obviously something more to what she was saying. The only way for the story you originally told us to make even the slightest bit of sense would be if it was her twin who died in some sort of stillbirth.
[QUOTE=JDK721;31670597]fuck off
[editline]11th August 2011[/editline]
depressed people can't just pull some motivation out of their ass
lack of motivation is a SYMPTOM of depression[/QUOTE]
No shit jackass, that's why it's hard to overcome depression.
You have to be strong to overcome depression. Even than it's not easy.
Just because you have depression doesn't make you weak, letting it beat you makes you weak.
You have to be strong to be able to overcome your feelings and get a grip on things, and that surprisingly takes a strong person. Someone who has never put any effort into anything in their life, and has depression probably won't have the strength to be able to deal with their depression, get some motivation/will/ to try to address what is causing them to be depressed without some sort of therapy or medication.
It takes a strong person to get through and beat depression is a better phrase.
It's reality, it's a harsh reality, but to get bent out of shape regardless of the "no jackass" rule in the thread is retarded, it's something people need to realize. You can't expect to get over depression without a fight.
There is no get out of depression free card.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31680741]
It takes a strong person to get through and beat depression without therapy/medication is a better phrase.[/QUOTE]
Implying it's weak people that need therapy and medication.
Get the fuck out right now
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31681449]Implying it's weak people that need therapy and medication.
Get the fuck out right now[/QUOTE]
Just because your not strong does not mean you are weak
You can just be normal/average/in between.
Bad phrasing though, not what I intended to "imply"
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31681462]Just because your not strong does not mean you are weak
You can just be normal.[/QUOTE]I don't like how you're labeling people as strong or weak, how about we just say some people can overcome their depression without medication and some can't.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31680741]No shit jackass, that's why it's hard to overcome depression.
You have to be strong to overcome depression. Even than it's not easy.
Just because you have depression doesn't make you weak, letting it beat you makes you weak.
You have to be strong to be able to overcome your feelings and get a grip on things, and that surprisingly takes a strong person. Someone who has never put any effort into anything in their life, and has depression probably won't have the strength to be able to deal with their depression, get some motivation/will/ to try to address what is causing them to be depressed without some sort of therapy or medication.
It takes a strong person to get through and beat depression without therapy/medication is a better phrase.
It's reality, it's a harsh reality, but to get bent out of shape regardless of the "no jackass" rule in the thread is retarded, it's something people need to realize. You can't expect to get over depression without a fight.[/QUOTE]
you're talking out of your ass and should stop posting in this thread
how is someone weak if their depression "beats them" maybe they can't afford help or have a very severe case of depression and need serious long term treatment. you can't just expect someone to fight depression all by themselves, and you can't expect it to just magically go away
medication/therapy is pretty much necessary if someone has depression unless it's a pretty minor case
and no one said or implied that alleviating depression is easy. it sounds like you're misinterpreting what people are saying.
[QUOTE=JDK721;31681487]you're talking out of your ass and should stop posting in this thread
how is someone weak if their depression "beats them" maybe they can't afford help or have a very severe case of depression and need serious long term treatment.
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I know people who have beaten depression under the hardiest circumstances. It takes a strong person to overcome that situation. I know it's a dick thing to say you can't be weak if you want to beat depression but it's reality. You have to have some fight in you to begin to beat depression.
[editline]12th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Octave;31681485]I don't like how you're labeling people as strong or weak, how about we just say some people can overcome their depression without medication and some can't.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I shouldn't of used a label system for weak or strong. But the reality still is, it takes some strength to beat depression. My definition for weak in this context is doing nothing. No matter how bad the situation is, there are always public organizations, hotlines, hospitals, counselors that are willing to help
[editline]12th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;31681487]
and no one said or implied that alleviating depression is easy. it sounds like you're misinterpreting what people are saying.[/QUOTE]
We all agree on the same thing, that it's not easy. You're just getting butthurt because I said you can't be weak if you want to beat depression when I was agreeing with Evilian, and mrjazzy and adding on that it takes strength to beat depression. You're just butt hurt over my phrasing and reality.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31681462]Just because your not strong does not mean you are weak
You can just be normal/average/in between.
Bad phrasing though, not what I intended to "imply"[/QUOTE]
You're still explicitly stating that you're stronger if you beat depression without help which is the worst fucking thing you can say in a thread about getting help with depression.
I think your heart is in the right place but your shit isn't, it's where your advice should be
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31681932]You're still explicitly stating that you're stronger if you beat depression without help which is the worst fucking thing you can say in a thread about getting help with depression.
I think your heart is in the right place but your shit isn't, it's where your advice should be[/QUOTE]
I understand why you interpreted what I said as that, and my bad and sorry if you see it that way.
It takes a strong person to just get help, I am not saying the people in this thread are weak. The people who read this thread and are depressed are strong enough just to click the link. The people who post here for help are taking the step of getting help, even if FP can offer little help, it is still a great leap for people and takes a strong person just to do that.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31682023]I understand why you interpreted what I said as that, and my bad and sorry if you see it that way.[/QUOTE]
there's no other way to interpret it
you stated it pretty explicitly. I think you should just stop posting in this thread
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