• The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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[QUOTE=Unwallis;32014040]Guys, Guys I didn't take his post negatively or see him as scolding and I fully understand what he is trying to say so lay off him please. And I rationally know that suicide is stupid and I'm not normally like this at all. Its just unfortuanately my ability to cope with all the crap in my life has been destroyed completely over the last few weeks. I don't think I'd classify myself as severely depressed, I went to a therapist anonymously at my Uni who suggested that I have an anxiety disorder and when that is at its worst that I do suffer from depression. I guess the reason I wrote here is the coping resources I have now, will most likely not be here in 5 or 10 years, and that thought scares me.[/QUOTE] Don't be scared bro. If you keep at it, and make improvements/overcome your anxiety disorder, you won't need coping resources in 5-10 years. [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;32014052]It's hard to stay completely calm when someone is utterly insensitive you don't really hurt anyone's feelings when you point out someone's idiocy, all you do is embarrass them for a bit and hopefully they become a better person for it[/QUOTE] The thing is, one of those phrases is correct "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", zekes logic behind it being an "idiotic" phrase and a "idiotic" thing to utter is because it doesn't agree with a suicidal person's perspective on the issue. You can't scold people for using phrases that don't agree with a suicidal persons perspective, than go on and say that you can trust me, that I won't scold you. I don't man, seems like broken logic and hypocrisy for the most part.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014068]The thing is, one of those phrases is correct "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", zekes logic behind it being an "idiotic" phrase and a "idiotic" thing to utter is because it doesn't agree with a suicidal person's perspective on the issue. You can't scold people for using phrases that don't agree with a suicidal persons perspective, than go on and say that you can trust me, that I won't scold you. I don't man, seems like broken logic and hypocrisy for the most part.[/QUOTE] but it's not correct, if you read what Zeke said, true clinical depression is a life-encompassing, intractable problem that grinds away at people day and night if that doesn't sound like a "permanent" problem, I don't know what does
[QUOTE=Turnips5;32014132]but it's not correct, if you read what Zeke said, true clinical depression is a life-encompassing, intractable problem that grinds away at people day and night if that doesn't sound like a "permanent" problem, I don't know what does[/QUOTE] A permanent problem is something that can't be cured/fix/removed/dealt with. So are you saying people who are clinically depressed are doomed? Clinical depression can be treated, the very fact that it is treatable is what makes it a "temporary problem" not a "permanent problem". It may seem like a permanent problem to someone who is experiencing it, but that doesn't de-validate the truth of the matter, and that is that it can be cured/dealt with, with therapy and medication. I live by one philosophy, that death is the only permanent problem.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;32013869]Quit trying to start shit.[/QUOTE] how the fuck is that trying to start shit? he's the one with the condescending attitude in a depression help thread
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014213]how the fuck is that trying to start shit? [B]he's the one with the condescending attitude in a depression help thread[/B][/QUOTE] Oh the irony is strong with this one. I consider calling a dude a prick, and saying he knows nothing to be condescending. Now hush up, or contribute a little for once.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014182]I live by one philosophy, that death is the only permanent problem.[/QUOTE] cute
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014182]A permanent problem is something that can't be cured/fix/removed/dealt with. So are you saying people who are clinically depressed are doomed? Clinical depression can be treated, the very fact that it is treatable is what makes it a "temporary problem" not a "permanent problem". It may seem like a permanent problem to someone who is experiencing it, but that doesn't de-validate the truth of the matter, and that is that it can be cured/dealt with, with therapy and medication. [/QUOTE] "The truth of the matter" is irrelevant to a suicidal person. Some people deal with clinical depression for decades or longer, even with medication and therapy. In most cases it's temporary but sometimes it can last a long time. I'd never blame someone for being suicidal like I've seen happen on this forum before.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32014236]"The truth of the matter" is irrelevant to a suicidal person.[/QUOTE] That doesn't de-validate the reality of the statement though. That's flawed logic. If it doesn't agree with a suicidal persons mind-set, then it is idiotic by your standards is what I gathered from your post. [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;32014234]cute[/QUOTE] It's optimistic and motivation, not cute.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014252]That doesn't de-validate the reality of the statement though. That's flawed logic. If it doesn't agree with a suicidal persons mind-set, then it is idiotic by your standards is what I gathered from your post.[/QUOTE] We're not arguing what is logical you stupid shit, it's about what helps depressed people and the most logical thing means absolutely nothing to them.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014252]That doesn't de-validate the reality of the statement though. That's flawed logic. If it doesn't agree with a suicidal persons mind-set, then it is idiotic by your standards is what I gathered from your post.[/QUOTE] Depression doesn't change someone's person to make rational decisions, it changes the reality the person lives in and bases their decisions off of. (Meaning, it no longer feels like a temporary problem) To someone who is suicidal, death is preferable to their life.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32014236]"The truth of the matter" is irrelevant to a suicidal person. Some people deal with clinical depression for decades or longer, even with medication and therapy. In most cases it's temporary but sometimes it can last a long time. I'd never blame someone for being suicidal like I've seen happen on this forum before.[/QUOTE] I will agree that blaming someone for being suicidal is a dick move. But you're example still proves that it is temporary. And the cases of people who deal with it for that long usually have more going on, and I would believe is a small percentile.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014276]I will agree that blaming someone for being suicidal is a dick move. But you're example still proves that it is temporary. And the cases of people who deal with it for that long usually have more going on, and I would believe is a small percentile.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been depressed/suicidal for a long period of time?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32014272]Depression doesn't change someone's person to make rational decisions, it changes the reality the person lives in and bases their decisions off of. (Meaning, it no longer feels like a temporary problem) To someone who is suicidal, death is preferable to their life.[/QUOTE] But in a realistic, healthy state of mind, suicide is ill-logical. I am just pointing out how you calling people idiotic for believing in a healthy mind set by using a depressed mind-set as your base logic. Just seems flawed, and wrong for someone to say that. [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32014283]Have you ever been depressed/suicidal for a long period of time?[/QUOTE] Personally. Yes.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014226]Oh the irony is strong with this one. I consider calling a dude a prick, and saying he knows nothing to be condescending. Now hush up, or contribute a little for once.[/QUOTE] it was a well deserved insult considering that this is supposed to be a HELP thread for depressed people, not one where people scold others for having suicidal thoughts as a result of depression
Guys just saying this whole argument here really kinda fucks up peoples opportunity to write in this thread. Regardless of what has been said its been said. Now on to a serious question, how do you judge what to tell someone. Perhaps 4 of my friends have a good idea to the extent of which I'm struggling but I feel as if I need to tell at least my best friend about me having that burst of suicidal thought. Is that wise?
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014296]it was a well deserved insult considering that this is supposed to be a HELP thread for depressed people, not one where people scold others for having suicidal thoughts as a result of depression[/QUOTE] I find it funny how you use the argument that "this is a help thread" but all you do in here is cause shit. Why don't you practice what you preach and "help" or contribute to the discussion without "You condescending prick, fuck off, you know nothing"
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014294]But in a realistic, healthy state of mind, suicide is ill-logical. I am just pointing out how you calling people idiotic for believing in a healthy mind set by using a depressed mind-set as your base logic. Just seems flawed, and wrong for someone to say that.[/quote] In a healthy state of mind suicide is illogical but that's because a depressed mind isn't usually a healthy one, and in most cases it feels like there isn't any hope left to be healthy. [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014294]Personally. Yes.[/QUOTE] Sorry to hear that. Can you at least appreciate the feeling of hopelessness and what I'm trying to say here?
[QUOTE=Unwallis;32014309]Guys just saying this whole argument here really kinda fucks up peoples opportunity to write in this thread. Regardless of what has been said its been said. Now on to a serious question, how do you judge what to tell someone. Perhaps 4 of my friends have a good idea to the extent of which I'm struggling but I feel as if I need to tell at least my best friend about me having that burst of suicidal thought. Is that wise?[/QUOTE] If he's treatable, a good friend, and you feel the need to get help, then don't hold it in from him.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014294]But in a realistic, healthy state of mind, suicide is ill-logical. I am just pointing out how you calling people idiotic for believing in a healthy mind set by using a depressed mind-set as your base logic. Just seems flawed, and wrong for someone to say that.[/QUOTE] Again, we're not talking about what makes sense to a logical person, we're talking about what makes sense to a depressed person. You may have a logical conclusion but it's pretty illogical to think it would have any effect on someone who is depressed.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32014321]In a healthy state of mind suicide is illogical but that's because a depressed mind isn't usually a healthy one, and in most cases it feels like there isn't any hope left to be healthy. Sorry to hear that. Can you at least appreciate the feeling of hopelessness and what I'm trying to say here?[/QUOTE] Yeah I know what you're saying, and appreciate the state of mind of hopelessness, and how things feel permanent, but scolding people, who are in a healthy state of mind for saying that it is ill-logical by using the hopeless state of mind as your base argument just doesn't seem right. I will agree with you on the matter of saying "suicide is selfish" is a dick move to go around saying. I've seen medical text books use the phrase "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" so the statement has some serious weight to it. That's all I am saying. [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;32014338]Again, we're not talking about what makes sense to a logical person, we're talking about what makes sense to a depressed person. You may have a logical conclusion but it's pretty illogical to think it would have any effect on someone who is depressed.[/QUOTE] I am not disagreeing with what it seems like to a depressed person. I am disagreeing with his negativity towards healthy people looking at suicide in a healthy way.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014352] I've seen medical text books use the phrase "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" so the statement has some serious weight to it. That's all I am saying.[/QUOTE] It's marginalizing.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014311]I find it funny how you use the argument that "this is a help thread" but all you do in here is cause shit. Why don't you practice what you preach and "help" or contribute to the discussion without "You condescending prick, fuck off, you know nothing"[/QUOTE] why are you still on my dick? I HAVE posted advice before, but when someone comes in here with a condescending tone and scolds someone for having suicidal thoughts then they deserve to be called out for it
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014374]why are you still on my dick? I HAVE posted advice before, but when someone comes in here with a condescending tone and scolds someone for having suicidal thoughts then they deserve to be called out for it[/QUOTE] You have? Really? I've never really seen it. For the most part I notice that you lurk like 5 different threads on this forum, and you really only come out of lurking to call someone a prick etc etc. You're arguments would hold more weight if you focuses more on "HELPING YOU PRICK"(your words) than your normal MO. Maybe I am on your dick because I love it? Or maybe it's because all you do is start shit, never contribute, or never help out. You have one of the biggest ban records i've ever seen, and it's all for trolling/flaming. You seriously have no life, or have a serious issue that you constantly keep taking out on this forum. Personally, I don't think people need to be "getting help" from you because someone with 29 bans for trolling/flaming isn't going to be the most helpful person on this forum I would think. (and right now, you're currently proving that with all the shit you keep trying to stir up)
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014352]I've seen medical text books use the phrase "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" so the statement has some serious weight to it. That's all I am saying.[/QUOTE] that doesn't make it anymore credible. suicide is highly stigmatized.
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014418]that doesn't make it anymore credible. suicide is highly stigmatized.[/QUOTE] Touche, and nice to see you contribute. But you can't honestly say that depression is a permanent problem. Because if you disagree with the statement that "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" then you're labeling depression as a permanent problem, which means that all of us bickering in this thread, offering help to each other,and the very existence of this thread then becomes null.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014400]You have?[/QUOTE] here are some posts that I made TRYING to help. keep in mind that I rarely post in this thread. [QUOTE=JDK721;31926414]tell your doctor that you're suicidal. don't lie about anything because you won't be able to fully get the help you need.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;31419820]what's wrong bro[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;31345261]National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;31039500]i love you[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;30810821]they take two to six weeks to start working[/QUOTE] [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014480]Touche, and nice to see you contribute. But you can't honestly say that depression is a permanent problem. Because if you disagree with the statement that "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" then you're labeling depression as a permanent problem, which means that all of us bickering in this thread, offering help to each other,and the very existence of this thread then becomes null.[/QUOTE] no you're not labeling depression as a permanent problem if you disagree with that statement. as zeke said, there is an ILLUSION of permanency to a depressed person.
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014491]here are some posts that I made TRYING to help. keep in mind that I rarely post in this thread.[/QUOTE] I could go find the posts where you are being a complete ass/counter-productive to the thread(and other threads), and it would be double the amount (or triple?) of you being "helpful" Your ban record speaks for itself of how productive of a member you've proven to be so far on this forum. And it shows when you post in here calling people pricks. [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;32014491] there is an ILLUSION of permanency to a depressed person.[/QUOTE] I think that you're confused. We're not arguing about that, I don't disagree with that. Infact I agree with that statement 100%, and have experienced it ( much like a lot of other users ) I disagree with zekes hostilities towards "healthy" people who have a "logical" view on suicide.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014529]I think that you're confused. We're not arguing about that, I don't disagree with that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014480]Touche, and nice to see you contribute. But you can't honestly say that depression is a permanent problem. [B]Because if you disagree with the statement that "suicide is a permanent problem to a temporary solution" then you're labeling depression as a permanent problem[/B], which means that all of us bickering in this thread, offering help to each other,and the very existence of this thread then becomes null.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;32014491]no you're not labeling depression as a permanent problem if you disagree with that statement. as zeke said, there is an ILLUSION of permanency to a depressed person.[/QUOTE] [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32014529]I could go find the posts where you are being a complete ass/counter-productive to the thread(and other threads), and it would be double the amount (or triple?) of you being "helpful"[/QUOTE] cool you said you haven't seen me contribute to the thread and try to help, so I laid out all the posts for you, so that's that
[QUOTE=JDK721;32014491] no you're not labeling depression as a permanent problem if you disagree with that statement[/QUOTE] Please elaborate without using a suicidal person's logic. (or using a terminal ill patient scenario) [that's a cop-out] [editline]30th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;32014578] cool you said you haven't seen me contribute to the thread and try to help, so I laid out all the posts for you, so that's that[/QUOTE] You offered 5 posts, there are more than 5 posts of you bickering, insulting people in this (calling them pricks, fucktards, etc etc) than you posting 5, mostly 3 worded posts. No one said you have to agree with what Evilan or I am saying, or others. But the way you go out of your way to call them/us pricks, then say that this is a help thread, how dare we "insult" people in it, while you're insulting people. Dude you're just a hypocrite, and a troll (and it's proven and a fact by looking at your ban record)
[QUOTE=JDK721;32013294]this isn't the thread to be a condescending prick in [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] the only thing you've reinforced in this post is that you don't have a clue about depression. depressed people don't just consider suicide for the hell of it. they can't help it.[/QUOTE] What is it with people trying to pick internet fights with those who try to help? I have experienced depression, hell I'll even tell you what I suffered through. I had Social Anxiety Disorder Depression; SADD for short and ironically spelled. I learned a long time ago that playing the victim of depression is only reinforcing it's hold over you. Attaching negative thoughts to things that are harmful to your recovery is one of the most basic ways of curbing your constant negative thinking. It doesn't stop you from considering suicide, but it makes you realize that "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea" and "yeah, it is a scary concept."
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