• The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32231161]Exercise never did a thing for me but it supposedly helps a lot[/QUOTE] Exercise got me dependent on runner's high. I get depressed if I go more than a few days without it.
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[QUOTE=Shoupie;32242919]Exercise got me dependent on runner's high. I get depressed if I go more than a few days without it.[/QUOTE] I'm sort of the same with bicycling. I don't get depressed over it, but it doesn't feel right if I go more than a few days without riding a few miles.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;32211187]I don't even dare to turn it down. My teacher is easily pissed off.[/QUOTE]if you can include as much just random humor. Single out one person in the audience, whether it be a friend, teacher, etc. and constantly look at them. Move your head around, but always snap back to them. That way it will seem like you are only talking to one person. I love speeches and public speaking, nad if I'm particularly nervous I'll add in my own humorous improv. it really helps lighten the mood and then, when you get people laughing, and then focusing on what person it all becomes one conversation.
Man, 9/11 and all the shit that's happened because of it both fills me with anger, and an extreme sense of sorrow and depression...
I've read through some of the pages and boy you guys need some light in your lifes. I am feeling really bad reading this. Sometimes I do not understand how you guys can see things so bad.
Depression is a condition some of us cannot just simply deal with. It doesn't go away, it is a condition in our brains. I have depression and I can't take meds cause the shrink says they would trigger suicidal thoughts.
[QUOTE=Back_Slash;32259464]Depression is a condition some of us cannot just simply deal with. [b]It doesn't go away[/b], it is a condition in our brains. I have depression and I can't take meds cause the shrink says they would trigger suicidal thoughts.[/QUOTE] You don't need meds to get over depression, but I'll admit that they do help. You have to change your cognitive thinking about every situation, and look for the best outcome in any situation. Instead of letting your PFF (Personal Fault Finder) pick out the worst case scenario for every situation your in, consciously think of what you can take out of it. For me when I had SADD, I always felt like crap because I always felt socially awkward around someone, and I never thought "Damn, I had the balls to strike up a conversation with that cute girl." This kept bringing me down and I nitpicked every little thing after that like "man, I must've come off horrible" or "I look strange." Once I started doing that then it obviously went downhill for me like it must be doing for you now. You need to take a second and evaluate your situation. Think of whats good in your life and think of what you take out of anything. It's probably scary as shit because you've been depressed for so long that you don't know what it would feel like to not be depressed, but you have to overcome your negative onset of thought and replace it with experience that you gained. Also, depression does go away and it's bullshit to think that it doesn't.
[QUOTE=junker|154;32258277]Sometimes I do not understand how you guys can see things so bad.[/QUOTE] have you ever suffered from depression or taken a psychology course? [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Evilan;32259712]You don't need meds to get over depression, but I'll admit that they do help.[/QUOTE] why are you so against medication? many depressed people have a chemical imbalance in their brain. they have a lack of serotonin, and anti-depressants reverse that. [QUOTE=Evilan;32259712]You have to change your cognitive thinking about every situation, and look for the best outcome in any situation. Instead of letting your PFF (Personal Fault Finder) pick out the worst case scenario for every situation your in, consciously think of what you can take out of it. For me when I had SADD, I always felt like crap because I always felt socially awkward around someone, and I never thought "Damn, I had the balls to strike up a conversation with that cute girl." This kept bringing me down and I nitpicked every little thing after that like "man, I must've come off horrible" or "I look strange." Once I started doing that then it obviously went downhill for me like it must be doing for you now. You need to take a second and evaluate your situation. Think of whats good in your life and think of what you take out of anything. It's probably scary as shit because you've been depressed for so long that you don't know what it would feel like to not be depressed, but you have to overcome your negative onset of thought and replace it with experience that you gained.[/QUOTE] so you're basically saying be optimistic and maintain a positive attitude about everything. that's fine and all, but the symptoms of depression are the opposite of that: negative thoughts, hopelessness, feeling unworthy, etc. it's not that simple for a depressed person to be all positive and shit. [QUOTE=Evilan;32259712]Also, depression does go away and it's bullshit to think that it doesn't.[/QUOTE] no one said it doesn't go away, but you can't expect it to go away if you don't seek PROFESSIONAL help and most likely medications unless it's a minor case. it CAN be TREATED into remission, but I don't think solely following your advice would accomplish that.
Just because your depressed doesn't mean it is impossible and a crime against nature to be optimistic, or try to be optimistic as you're making it out to be. Yeah being optimistic is a contradiction to the symptoms of depression, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. No one can tell you how to be optimistic. Everyone has their own little quirks and all. You may not know what makes you happy or optimistic at this very moment, and maybe not tomorrow, but when you do it can be a great motivator and or tool in over coming your depression. Yeah I know, trying to be optimistic, trying to find something good about life is hard when you're in the mindset you're in, but who said getting over this would be easy? Sitting their and just refuting the idea of being optimistic isn't going to get you anywhere. It's not going to be easy, and it's going to take along time to beat your depression, months, years, even longer in some cases. Get help, get a hobby, fight, do something new, do anything that isn't just sitting down all day. Make your self do it. Ask a friend to help you, tell him to nag you, to bitch at you until you do something positive for once. Do anything positive. Just do anything that you can take a little bit of pleasure in.
[QUOTE=JDK721;32261232] so you're basically saying be optimistic and maintain a positive attitude about everything. that's fine and all, but the symptoms of depression are the opposite of that: negative thoughts, hopelessness, feeling unworthy, etc. it's not that simple for a depressed person to be all positive and shit.[/QUOTE] You always seem to want to start an e-fight with me JDK. I'm not telling him to think about sugar and spice and everything nice. I'm telling him to start changing his mindset from "oh, woe is me" to "maybe things aren't as bad as I'm making them." It's not a permanent solution and there are other problems that need addressing, but by doing this he is able to begin controlling his emotions. Why do you constantly feel the need to bash on anyone who says, "Hey I have a solution because this worked for me."? Do you like forcing your negative thinking onto everyone else?
I don't do that. But for me it's hard. K?
It's JK. I think he's an angsty teenager who doesn't like anyone who's giving their own advice that doesn't agree with his state of mind at the moment, so he feels the need to complain and lash out at anyone who has an optimistic approach. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Back_Slash;32262620]I don't do that. But for me it's hard. K?[/QUOTE] Hard or impossible?
Why do we always argue in this thread about the nature of depression and pros and cons of medication and thinking positive and such Every time it's the same players and the same points being brought up Can't we all just chill
[QUOTE=Evilan;32262592]You always seem to want to start an e-fight with me JDK.[/QUOTE] I don't recall ever arguing with you. maybe ONCE if that. victimization complex much? [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262662]It's JK. I think he's an angsty teenager who doesn't like anyone who's giving their own advice that doesn't agree with his state of mind at the moment, so he feels the need to complain and lash out at anyone who has an optimistic approach.[/QUOTE] and I think you're a moron who gets upset if someone calls them out for spreading bullshit
[QUOTE=Octave;32262757]Why do we always argue in this thread about the nature of depression and pros and cons of medication and thinking positive and such Every time it's the same players and the same points being brought up Can't we all just chill[/QUOTE] This thread is pretty chill for the most part. It's just JDK gets offended or worked up over Evilans, and other poster's comments. After that it's just a snowball effect.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262795]This thread is pretty chill for the most part. It's just JDK gets offended or worked up over Evilans, and other poster's comments. After that it's just a snowball effect.[/QUOTE] please go back to maverick's thread
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262662]It's JK. I think he's an angsty teenager who doesn't like anyone who's giving their own advice that doesn't agree with his state of mind at the moment, so he feels the need to complain and lash out at anyone who has an optimistic approach. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] Hard or impossible?[/QUOTE] Just hard. I have so great highs and such never feel really that low. Unless something provokes it which doesn't happen.
[QUOTE=Evilan;32262592]I'm not telling him to think about sugar and spice and everything nice. I'm telling him to start changing his mindset from "oh, woe is me" to "maybe things aren't as bad as I'm making them."[/QUOTE] and I'm telling you that it's NOT that simple because a depressed person is at rock bottom, and their thoughts generally aren't positive your advice would be fine if we were talking about a person who's having a bad day, but for someone experiencing depression it's a whole different story
I present to the board. Exhibit A. Chill JDK, Octave has a point, this thread keeps getting into these micro-arguments about optimism, definitions and drugs. Why don't you just accept there's other ways to combat depression from your stand point and stop being so offended or pessimistic towards them.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262852]I present to the board. Exhibit A. Chill JDK, Octave has a point, this thread keeps getting into these micro-arguments about optimism, definitions and drugs. Why don't you just accept there's other ways to combat depression from your stand point and stop being so offended or pessimistic towards them.[/QUOTE] except I already explained why his advice isn't really applicable to a depressed person and solely following it probably wouldn't treat depression into remission all you ever say is "lol you're getting butthurt/offended" try actually refuting what I'm saying
[QUOTE=JDK721;32262848]and I'm telling you that it's NOT that simple because a depressed person is at rock bottom, and their thoughts generally aren't positive your advice would be fine if we were talking about a person who's having a bad day, but for someone experiencing depression it's a whole different story[/QUOTE] No one ever said it was simple. It's hard as fuck. Nothing is simple or easy with depression, no one here has said it was easy. I've stressed the exact opposite, and so have others. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;32262883]except I already explained why his advice isn't really applicable to a depressed person and solely following it probably wouldn't treat depression into remission all you ever say is "lol you're getting butthurt/offended" try actually refuting what I'm saying[/QUOTE] I've typed paragraphs refuting what you've said.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262884]No one ever said it was simple. It's hard as fuck. Nothing is simple or easy with depression, no one here has said it was easy. I've stressed the exact opposite, and so have others.[/QUOTE] evilan implied it was when the only advice in his post was to think positively and that being optimistic is a plausible way to treat depression
You know clearly what he was trying to say. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Back_Slash;32262841]Just hard. I have so great highs and such never feel really that low. Unless something provokes it which doesn't happen.[/QUOTE] Just hard? So not impossible than? Why are you depressed in the first place bro? If you don't mind me asking.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262931]You know clearly what he was trying to say.[/QUOTE] that thinking optimistic is somehow a solution to depression and that a depressed person is even in a situation to have a mostly positive outlook on things when some of the SYMPTOMS of depression are negative thoughts, suicidality, hopelessness, worthlessness, etc. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] also, he seems to be very against the idea of taking anti-depressants for some unknown reason
So? just because it's a symptom doesn't mean it's automatically a cock-block of trying to have positive thoughts. JDK do you post in this thread because you're depressed or want to share advice? [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] I'm against them too a majority of the time. I think a lot of people just take their meds and never go to therapy. I've known a lot of people who have been medicated and the personality shifts is extreme and amazing to see. A medicated person just doesn't seem to be the same when you look at them from an external perspective. That's why I believe therapy>medication But I won't deny thought that in some cases that you need to have medication though. Why are we even talking about meds and optimism. We've done this like what? 3 times before. I've seen this movie before, and it has a shitty ending.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262983]So? just because it's a symptom doesn't mean it's automatically a cock-block of trying to have positive thoughts.[/QUOTE] I never said it was an automatic cock block the point I'm making is that SOLELY "thinking more positive" is probably not going to put depression into remission because a person suffering from depression is having NEGATIVE thoughts on a regular basis. chances are they WOULDN'T be depressed if they were constantly thinking positive about everything and had high self-esteem/confidence, etc. also, that advice ignores the fact that many depressed people have a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE in their brain. antidepressants increase the amount of serotonin, which results in a happier mood. there's a general consensus by experts that the best way to treat depression is a COMBINATION of counseling/therapy and medication other things certainly help too such as getting enough sleep, exercising, and maintaining a healthy diet [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262983]JDK do you post in this thread because you're depressed or want to share advice?[/QUOTE] I'm giving advice [QUOTE=ScoutKing;32262983]I'm against them too a majority of the time. I think a lot of people just take their meds and never go to therapy. I've known a lot of people who have been medicated and the personality shifts is extreme and amazing to see. A medicated person just doesn't seem to be the same when you look at them from an external perspective. That's why I believe therapy>medication But I won't deny thought that in some cases that you need to have medication though.[/QUOTE] sounds like you have a personal bias against them. if someone just takes meds and never goes to therapy, that's their choice. I've NEVER supported that. how is that any reason to be against the medication though?
No one here said it was a solution bro. It helps a lot if you can be a little optimistic and less pessimistic, helps a lot I think. But it is not the solution. Like you said, sleeping, exercising, and maintaining a healthy diet helps a lot, and trying to be optimistic can help just as much as those do in some cases.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32263164]No one here said it was a solution bro. It helps a lot if you can be a little optimistic and less pessimistic, helps a lot I think. But it is not the solution. Like you said, sleeping, exercising, and maintaining a healthy diet helps a lot, and trying to be optimistic can help just as much as those do in some cases.[/QUOTE] I already posted why it's difficult for a depressed person to be optimistic now I know you have some unfounded issues with medication
[QUOTE=JDK721;32263108] sounds like you have a personal bias against them. if someone just takes meds and never goes to therapy, that's their choice. I've NEVER supported that. how is that any reason to be against the medication though?[/QUOTE] Yeah i have a slight personal bias against it, but I could say the same to you about being optimistic though. I don't think medication is the scum of the earth, the root of all evil, etc etc. I just think it shouldn't be given out so liberally as it is given out.
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