The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28412443]Everything Shoupie said applies to me in some form or another, if not directly then analogically or similarly.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely no problem, I was not aware that Shoupie was a girl, nor was I certain which individual you were referring to, either way, thank you for rephrasing.
Have you talked to your parents yet?
Shoupie, I know how that is, with the friendship thing. I have lots of on the surface friends, but I'm super lucky enough to have one very close friend. Funny, because she's really self-centered, a bitch and honestly a bully sometimes, but we just click and she's always been there for me. There have been times when I've just broke down crying about something and no matter how much of a bitch she could be, she'd do whatever it took to make me feel better. And the one time in my life when I was really considering suicide, she didn't try to stop me. We actually just walked around and bought a crapload of candy and cried together about the crap in our lives in the dollar store. That all started because she said (I had no choice) that she was gonna come over and paint my nails. As small as that is, it can be enough. And yeah, without that one friend, I might not be here now. All it takes is to have one good friend.
So go make friends. I found my friend in middle school. Couldn't find a friend like her in high school (boyfriend, yes, but someone like my best friend, no). If you can't find a single person you can relate to in your school, try to take up a hobby or class outside of it. Go with something you already like. If you like exercising, go find another type of school or gym to start regularly attending. One word of caution though, as much as it can be easier without the face to face aspect, try to make friends in person, not online. Online friends are great and I can agree that an online friend can be a genuine one. However, being able to do activities together can create a deeper level of bonding.
Not that I can really give advice about depression or how to make friends more than the next person, but I think having just one person to tell everything to and confide in makes things seem a lot better.
[QUOTE=ConvolutedLogic;28412680]Shoupie, I know how that is, with the friendship thing. I have lots of on the surface friends, but I'm super lucky enough to have one very close friend. Funny, because she's really self-centered, a bitch and honestly a bully sometimes, but we just click and she's always been there for me. There have been times when I've just broke down crying about something and no matter how much of a bitch she could be, she'd do whatever it took to make me feel better. And the one time in my life when I was really considering suicide, she didn't try to stop me. We actually just walked around and bought a crapload of candy and cried together about the crap in our lives in the dollar store. That all started because she said (I had no choice) that she was gonna come over and paint my nails. As small as that is, it can be enough. And yeah, without that one friend, I might not be here now. All it takes is to have one good friend.
So go make friends. I found my friend in middle school. Couldn't find a friend like her in high school (boyfriend, yes, but someone like my best friend, no). If you can't find a single person you can relate to in your school, try to take up a hobby or class outside of it. Go with something you already like. If you like exercising, go find another type of school or gym to start regularly attending. One word of caution though, as much as it can be easier without the face to face aspect, try to make friends in person, not online. Online friends are great and I can agree that an online friend can be a genuine one. However, being able to do activities together can create a deeper level of bonding.
Not that I can really give advice about depression or how to make friends more than the next person, but I think having just one person to tell everything to and confide in makes things seem a lot better.[/QUOTE]
You're blessed to have found a friend in middle school. I had some, but they were the kind that stopped hanging out with me if I wore the wrong clothes. I need someone to confide in, and I want to be a person someone can confide in, but it's hard finding a person that isn't scared off by how neurotic I can get.
Well, thank you. :buddy: I may not have someone I can confide in right now completely, but I'm sure there's someone out there. I suppose I just gotta keep looking.
Ha. I bet you're not even that neurotic. You've probably just phased yourself into thinking so.
I went through a phase too, I mean, hell. She's the only one I still talk to from middle school, really. I wore all black and wrote crappy poetry and thought I was a part of a subculture. But she was still there, and helped me return to my normal, happy state of self. And yes, keep looking! If you make a strong effort, you'll get it. Keep it on your mind.
Kay so what do you think you do that's neurotic, really? It's amazing how much common tolerance and acceptance is changing amongst our generation. You might just be surprised at how close to "normal" you really are.
[QUOTE=ConvolutedLogic;28413346]Ha. I bet you're not even that neurotic. You've probably just phased yourself into thinking so.
I went through a phase too, I mean, hell. She's the only one I still talk to from middle school, really. I wore all black and wrote crappy poetry and thought I was a part of a subculture. But she was still there, and helped me return to my normal, happy state of self. And yes, keep looking! If you make a strong effort, you'll get it. Keep it on your mind.
Kay so what do you think you do that's neurotic, really? It's amazing how much common tolerance and acceptance is changing amongst our generation. You might just be surprised at how close to "normal" you really are.[/QUOTE]
I've been diagnosed with OCD and an anxiety disorder. People generally don't know how to handle a person having a panic attack and it's awkward for both people. I cry very easily if I'm frustrated or just not having a good day. I have a little bit of a fear of sleeping, which is why I have insomnia...I just hate not being aware of anything. Sometimes I get really quiet and I won't even look at anyone, which gives people the impression that I'm either really antisocial or stuck up. Usually when I tell people this stuff they either don't understand because they can't relate or they don't talk to me much anymore.
I don't know if you would consider that neurotic or not, but either way, it isolates me from people, which is mostly my own fault.
Oh that's fine! Are you kidding? You're worried about that? Easily overcomeable. Part of it is finding the right people to be friends with. For one thing, if someone isn't willing to accept you over that, you don't want them as a friend.
I have a friend Celine. I've known her since second grade. She didn't know until just last year that she had a learning/social disorder. I forget what it was called, but I know it's somewhat rare and hinders her mental capacity. Because of this, she was really awkward. Beyond that, she was very competitive, probably because she knew she couldn't keep up in a way. She didn't have many friends due to this. Those people were being shallow, obviously. I stuck by her. I learned about her good qualities and helped her with things she needed to work on, even when we both didn't know she had the disorder. I didn't do it because it was the right thing to do or for brownie points or to look good. I just didn't see a problem with her being different because I was raised appreciating everyone's individuality.
So I never really thought it mattered until her 13th birthday, when she had a big party. She did a slideshow for all of her friends and everyone she cared about. She did her mom on one slide, her sisters on the second, other family on the third, and her classmates on the fourth. And then on the fifth, it was just a picture of me and her. She singled me out. I hadn't realized how big of an impact I had made on her until then and it made me cry. I was so touched.
My point in this is saying that it doesn't matter what you're diagnosed with or what your problems are. I'm not the only one who doesn't judge from first impressions and I know that because I've met others who feel the same way. There's goodness in the world. It's just harder to find. I think everyone goes through lessons in their life, though, where they mature and develop- that was one for me. For some, it takes them being older and dealing with more adult situations. Either way, as people around your age get older, it'll be easier.
And I mean, I have my problems too. I have a similar fear of sleeping but mine is really more of the dark. I have night terrors. It goes beyond nightmares, really. I cry easy, too, and about things people don't normally cry about. I get touched very easily. I mean for goodness sakes. The other day, I was reading about indigenous people and I ended up crying because I had a breakthrough with nature by talking to a tree! If you're having trouble with being quiet, just say that you're a bit shy at times. The panic attacks, why don't you explain what you're going through to the person? You don't have to go into detail, but simply let them know what's happening. Chances are they're just confused, as you said.
[QUOTE=ConvolutedLogic;28413346]
I went through a phase too, I mean, hell. She's the only one I still talk to from middle school, really. I wore all black and wrote crappy poetry and thought I was a part of a subculture. [/QUOTE]
... everything suddenly makes sense.
You wouldn't happen to be my friend ive known since 4th grade.
I ask you that, cause he did exactly that.
I just told him to stop being a little attention whore and to come to reality.
and he did, and now we're tight.
problem solved.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28413426]I've been diagnosed with OCD and an anxiety disorder. People generally don't know how to handle a person having a panic attack and it's awkward for both people..[/QUOTE]
If i saw a person having a panic attack, i treat them as if they are in shock.
Keep them calm, have them lay down, keep them warm and happy.
Go to hell, ScoutKing. Just go to hell. Honestly. I'm not talking to you. I'm trying to give advice to someone. I don't see why you have to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to insult me.
i guess saying
"now everything makes sense"
is a huge insult now.
Now everything makes sense.
Oh I know exactly what you're implying. Don't act like just because Love Advice disappeared all those insults did too.
[QUOTE=ConvolutedLogic;28414110]Oh I know exactly what you're implying. Don't act like just because Love Advice disappeared all those insults did too.[/QUOTE]
no, im implying, you're getting worked up over the saying.
"now everything makes sense"
who gives a two fucks about LA.
god damn. I suggest no one takes CL advice.
What is going on? All three of you brought excellent contributions to this thread so far. Is this just a random conflict or a continuation of it from somewhere else?
King, please do not give any suggestions to anyone about not taking a specific user's advice, some people who are visiting this thread literally require all the help they can get.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;28414230] a continuation of it from somewhere else?
.[/QUOTE]
more of that.
CL liked to cruse the LA forum and always got into a fight with maverick.
she always has the ability to post were i am, and total let a joke fly over her head.
[QUOTE=ConvolutedLogic;28413631]Oh that's fine! Are you kidding? You're worried about that? Easily overcomeable. Part of it is finding the right people to be friends with. For one thing, if someone isn't willing to accept you over that, you don't want them as a friend.
I have a friend Celine. I've known her since second grade. She didn't know until just last year that she had a learning/social disorder. I forget what it was called, but I know it's somewhat rare and hinders her mental capacity. Because of this, she was really awkward. Beyond that, she was very competitive, probably because she knew she couldn't keep up in a way. She didn't have many friends due to this. Those people were being shallow, obviously. I stuck by her. I learned about her good qualities and helped her with things she needed to work on, even when we both didn't know she had the disorder. I didn't do it because it was the right thing to do or for brownie points or to look good. I just didn't see a problem with her being different because I was raised appreciating everyone's individuality.
So I never really thought it mattered until her 13th birthday, when she had a big party. She did a slideshow for all of her friends and everyone she cared about. She did her mom on one slide, her sisters on the second, other family on the third, and her classmates on the fourth. And then on the fifth, it was just a picture of me and her. She singled me out. I hadn't realized how big of an impact I had made on her until then and it made me cry. I was so touched.
My point in this is saying that it doesn't matter what you're diagnosed with or what your problems are. I'm not the only one who doesn't judge from first impressions and I know that because I've met others who feel the same way. There's goodness in the world. It's just harder to find. I think everyone goes through lessons in their life, though, where they mature and develop- that was one for me. For some, it takes them being older and dealing with more adult situations. Either way, as people around your age get older, it'll be easier.
And I mean, I have my problems too. I have a similar fear of sleeping but mine is really more of the dark. I have night terrors. It goes beyond nightmares, really. I cry easy, too, and about things people don't normally cry about. I get touched very easily. I mean for goodness sakes. The other day, I was reading about indigenous people and I ended up crying because I had a breakthrough with nature by talking to a tree! If you're having trouble with being quiet, just say that you're a bit shy at times. The panic attacks, why don't you explain what you're going through to the person? You don't have to go into detail, but simply let them know what's happening. Chances are they're just confused, as you said.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes I get pretty pessimistic about humanity in general, so it really makes me feel good to read people's experiences like yours. I think I could probably relate to your friend Celine in some respects. When I was younger, my OCD was very severe to the point that my paranoia about germs made me afraid to even play outside. I was a loner at school and I know I would have really appreciated a friend that didn't think I was weird. I can relate to feeling socially awkward and even inferior to my peers, and having a friend is more valuable than just about anything when you feel that way.
But the thing is that people like you are rare in that generally people do judge from first impressions. But I guess if genuinely good people were more common, it wouldn't feel as special when you meet one.
I'm emotional about those things too, haha. I've been called a tree-hugger and a hippie because I'm so touched by nature sometimes.
Anyway, like I said, thanks for sharing. Brightened my spirits quite a bit. :)
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;28414260]more of that.
CL liked to cruse the LA forum and always got into a fight with maverick.
she always has the ability to post were i am, and total let a joke fly over her head.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't Maverick one of the top advisers of those forums? I took a glance at one of his more recent threads in this sub category of the forums, and he clearly appears to have a rather seasoned backround when it comes to generally helping people in these communities.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;28414282]Wasn't Maverick one of the top advisers of those forums? I took a glance at one of his more recent threads in this sub category of the forums, and he clearly appears to have a rather seasoned backround when it comes to generally helping people in these communities.[/QUOTE]
yep.
if the LA forum was still up, you could go read the posts where maverick tells CL that shes not mature for a 15 year old, and that she should get off her high horse.
and then her replies that were along the lines of "IM NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"
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[QUOTE=Shoupie;28414280]Sometimes I get pretty pessimistic about humanity in general[/QUOTE]
I understand this.
and my best suggestion is to not read the news.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;28414322]yep.
if the LA forum was still up, you could go read the posts where maverick tells CL that shes not mature for a 15 year old, and that she should get off her high horse.
and then her replies that were along the lines of "IM NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"
[editline]4th March 2011[/editline]
I understand this.
and my best suggestion is to not read the news.[/QUOTE]
Shut the hell up and quit talking crap about me when I haven't done anything to you.
Just because I post in a thread you've posted in doesn't mean you have to come attack me.
Everyone reading his posts: Take a minute to question the credibility of the source.
I really wish there was an "asshole" rating.
Shoupie, replying to your post now.
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[QUOTE=Shoupie;28414280]Sometimes I get pretty pessimistic about humanity in general, so it really makes me feel good to read people's experiences like yours. I think I could probably relate to your friend Celine in some respects. When I was younger, my OCD was very severe to the point that my paranoia about germs made me afraid to even play outside. I was a loner at school and I know I would have really appreciated a friend that didn't think I was weird. I can relate to feeling socially awkward and even inferior to my peers, and having a friend is more valuable than just about anything when you feel that way.
But the thing is that people like you are rare in that generally people do judge from first impressions. But I guess if genuinely good people were more common, it wouldn't feel as special when you meet one.
I'm emotional about those things too, haha. I've been called a tree-hugger and a hippie because I'm so touched by nature sometimes.
Anyway, like I said, thanks for sharing. Brightened my spirits quite a bit. :)[/QUOTE]
D'aww. c: I'd be your friend if I lived close to you. But good people aren't rare, really. You just have to look in the right places. School is not one of those places, and unfortunately, that's where people spend most of their time for the beginning of their life.
Ha, I take pride in being called a hippy anyways! A tree-hugger insult is a complement to me. Yeah, I hug trees! And what of it? If you can bring positivity to whatever you identify yourself with, you'll be a happier person. And no problem! I like to help others despite what that stupidhead Scout thinks, hehe.
I do feel quite well, school starts on monday hopefully I'll still feel well and all but I doubt it but I hope.
my last physical high school was a complete and utter nightmare for me before I switched to cyber school.
Yeah, I got one good thing from my highschool: my boyfriend. I can't remember anything else I liked about it, honestly. I didn't make any friends I've stayed that connected to.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28410566]I haven't felt very good lately. I don't really have anyone I can completely relate to. I can shoot the shit with plenty of people, but nobody knows me very deeply. I hang out with one girl all the time, mostly because she's sort of attached herself to me. She's self-absorbed and obnoxious, and I don't mean this in a mean way. That's just the way she is. Our personality types aren't compatible. I don't dislike her. I just don't connect with her.
The only person I could call a friend is gone now. She graduated early, and I'm happy for her, but I miss her. She used to ask how I was doing and she meant it. That might seem small, but I thought it was really nice.
I can relate to Evilan. But working out is just a quick fix for depression. I run fairly often. Lately I've been becoming increasingly dissatisfied with my body and my goal when I work out is to basically abuse myself. Go until I literally can't do it anymore, so that I can feel some sense of accomplishment when I wake up sore everywhere. Then I collapse in bed and try to fall asleep, but I can't do that very easily anymore without some kind of sedative, and even then it takes me a couple of hours to actually fall asleep. I wake up tired. I go to school tired. I come home tired. I work out tired. I don't remember the last time I felt refreshed or carefree.
I wish I had time to waste. But most of all, I wish I had someone to waste it with.[/QUOTE]
I really wish I could help you.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28410566]I haven't felt very good lately. I don't really have anyone I can completely relate to. I can shoot the shit with plenty of people, but nobody knows me very deeply. I hang out with one girl all the time, mostly because she's sort of attached herself to me. She's self-absorbed and obnoxious, and I don't mean this in a mean way. That's just the way she is. Our personality types aren't compatible. I don't dislike her. I just don't connect with her.
The only person I could call a friend is gone now. She graduated early, and I'm happy for her, but I miss her. She used to ask how I was doing and she meant it. That might seem small, but I thought it was really nice.
I can relate to Evilan. But working out is just a quick fix for depression. I run fairly often. Lately I've been becoming increasingly dissatisfied with my body and my goal when I work out is to basically abuse myself. Go until I literally can't do it anymore, so that I can feel some sense of accomplishment when I wake up sore everywhere. Then I collapse in bed and try to fall asleep, but I can't do that very easily anymore without some kind of sedative, and even then it takes me a couple of hours to actually fall asleep. I wake up tired. I go to school tired. I come home tired. I work out tired. I don't remember the last time I felt refreshed or carefree.
I wish I had time to waste. But most of all, I wish I had someone to waste it with.[/QUOTE]
Wish you lived in Arizona, since you seem like a pretty cool person. Would definitely invite you to the First Friday event thats going on in downtown Phoenix. Lots of fun to be had listening to musicians, looking at art and going to many of the small party spots.
[QUOTE=Evilan;28424944]Wish you lived in Arizona, since you seem like a pretty cool person. Would definitely invite you to the First Friday event thats going on in downtown Phoenix. Lots of fun to be had listening to musicians, looking at art and going to many of the small party spots.[/QUOTE]
I actually used to live in Arizona. :3: Damn, that sounds like fun. I never really do stuff like that because there isn't much opportunity in the tiny town I live in.
Well, I'm back. Haven't talked to my family, haven't seen them in a couple of days.
Right now I'm having trouble sleeping, so I'm chatting. The only thoughts going through my head are "I'm a looser, I suck, I'm boring, the world would be better off with me dead" - it's not something I want to think, but that's the thought pattern I'm stuck in now. I can't really pinpoint why I'm depressed like this now, I still think it's clinical depression, McNab thinks it's just loneliness, and I trust him. Right now I just have no idea.
[editline]5th March 2011[/editline]
Being like this is sort of opposite of my personality, I'm a pacifist, an optimist, I love people and I enjoy cheering others up.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28429435]Well, I'm back. Haven't talked to my family, haven't seen them in a couple of days.
Right now I'm having trouble sleeping, so I'm chatting. The only thoughts going through my head are "I'm a looser, I suck, I'm boring, the world would be better off with me dead" - it's not something I want to think, but that's the thought pattern I'm stuck in now. I can't really pinpoint why I'm depressed like this now, I still think it's clinical depression, McNab thinks it's just loneliness, and I trust him. Right now I just have no idea.[/QUOTE]
I've had this recently too, for no real reason. I wish I could help you but for now I'm figuring it out too. Maybe you need something to be passionate about. Some sort of purpose. I think that's what I'm lacking. And you're here for a reason. The world wouldn't be better off without you. Do you have any idea at all why you'd think that? Did this thought pattern just start or has it been going on for awhile?
Also, this is irrelevant, but where does your avatar come from?
-snip-
I ONLY CLICKED ONCE, GAWSH
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28429586]I've had this recently too, for no real reason. I wish I could help you but for now I'm figuring it out too. Maybe you need something to be passionate about. Some sort of purpose. I think that's what I'm lacking. And you're here for a reason. The world wouldn't be better off without you. Do you have any idea at all why you'd think that? Did this thought pattern just start or has it been going on for awhile?[/QUOTE]
I guess it's more recent, didn't think like that last year. I guess I've started to be more depressed for quite frankly similar reasons you said last page... I think. At least it reinforces the depression.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28429586]Also, this is irrelevant, but where does your avatar come from?[/QUOTE]
Made it myself in Photoshop. c:
That'd be Garry, the forum creator, wearing a Santa hat that I was too lazy to remove after Christmas.
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[QUOTE=Shoupie;28429593]-snip-
I ONLY CLICKED ONCE, GAWSH[/QUOTE]
And [I]that'd[/I] be Compwhiizi doing something unspeakable to the servers again.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28429693]I guess it's more recent, didn't think like that last year. I guess I've started to be more depressed for quite frankly similar reasons you said last page... I think. At least it reinforces the depression.[/QUOTE]
Then it's the loneliness? That's what makes me feel depressed, kind of like I'm the last person anyone would want to hang out with. Did you lose contact with someone recently or something? Because something had to have happened to change your mindset from optimistic to depressed. I just wish it could be easier to figure out what it was. Then it would be pretty simple to fix.
I'm sure I'm the last person that should be giving out advice for depression, so I should probably keep this short. But I really do hope you get to feeling better, because you don't suck nearly as much as you think you do. :3:
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28429883]Did you lose contact with someone recently or something?[/QUOTE]
No, I just feel like the only person I can actually connect with and be honest with is all the way over in Denmark. Something like that anyway.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;28429883]I'm sure I'm the last person that should be giving out advice for depression, so I should probably keep this short. But I really do hope you get to feeling better, because you don't suck nearly as much as you think you do. :3:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, same goes for you. :unsmith:
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28429435]Being like this is sort of opposite of my personality, I'm a pacifist, an optimist, I love people and I enjoy cheering others up.[/QUOTE]
sudden personality changes
+sudden unexplained depression points towards bi-polar disorder in my book.
but im not a doctor, so I wouldn't take my word on it.
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