The Depression Chat - Symptoms, Assistance, Medicines and More.
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[QUOTE=Seith;34115323]It was a mere observation given here to show another perspective people might like to choose.
Drugs are not always the way out.[/QUOTE]
your perspective is flawed.
The increase of depression in first world countries has been linked with many things, ranging from genes, diets, poor sleep, increase social/family issues etc etc which are all extremely agreeable are on the rise in american at least.
Your perspective is as flawed as someone who believes that cancer is over diagnosed.
It's not that it is being "over" or "wrongly" diagnosed, it's that there's a steady rise in legitimate cases of depression, which has been argued of beening caused by increased environmental issues, genetic, and social issues(higher divorce rate, economic trouble etc etc) that are rising.
I use to agree that drugs are not always the way out, but i've sort of come to the perspective that if it is not a "light" case of depression, which seems almost doesn't exist, that medication is almost always a great force multiplier in treating depression.
Not many people are fond of your perspective, especially here, and it is best that you just leave.
[editline]9th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DrBreen;34109599]doctor's don't really help with that mate, he should see a psychologist[/QUOTE]
No shit.
Most people see their GP for a recommendation for treatment, or psychologist.
If i am shitting out blood, i go to my GP, and my GP decides that if it is in his ability to treat it, or if it is best to send me off to a specialist.
I wish people would stop talking about depression like getting out of it is a sporting event designed to see how strong people are, and that using performance enhancing drugs disqualifies you from winning properly
How would a cancer patient (or anyone with a shred of human decency) like it if I called them weak for using chemo and saying they should just tough it out on their own
Well, firstly, cancer isn't a psychological illness, so willpower or anything of the sort would make no difference.
Depression, on the other hand, is. Thoughts and actions DO have an effect, and a significant one at that.
Secondly, chemo has a much better track record of efficacy than antidepressants.
And yet even then plenty of people decide to avoid chemo for the side effects, and that results in death. So, sure, people can avoid antidepressants for its side effects.
[QUOTE=Collin665;34124222]Well, firstly, cancer isn't a psychological illness, so willpower or anything of the sort would make no difference.[/QUOTE]
Your willpower, state of mind and mood has an effect on your body's overall performance. Immune system, etc
Too bad cancer will make your immune system its bitch regardless.
[QUOTE=Collin665;34124222]Well, firstly, cancer isn't a psychological illness, so willpower or anything of the sort would make no difference.
Depression, on the other hand, is. [b]Thoughts and actions DO have an effect, and a significant one at that.[/b]
Secondly, chemo has a much better track record of efficacy than antidepressants.
And yet even then plenty of people decide to avoid chemo for the side effects, and that results in death. So, sure, people can avoid antidepressants for its side effects.[/QUOTE]
By definition a psychological disorder affects your thoughts
if you're able to think "normally" you do not have the disorder
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34125172]By definition a psychological disorder affects your thoughts
if you're able to think "normally" you do not have the disorder[/QUOTE]
affects and being unable to think normally are two different things. My thoughts get affected by a million things everyday and I might not be able to act as I usually do on any given day of the week. Does that make me depressed?
I understand your need to prove there's a need for shrinks, drugs and that depression is a real rising problem due to a lot of factors. But that wasn't my point. My point was, my opinion on the matter, is that people tend to find their answers within drugs instead of trying to work their problems. It's so easy to prescribe drugs now, that people don't even feel the need to work out their problems. That's just, in my opinion again, blowing air constantly in an already blown tire - It will keep happening, dosage will get higher and the need for newer and better drugs will increase. As a result, it will keep fuelling this billion dollar industry, that even though has an answer for some people, it's not the answer for every case of depression.
This is like Ritalin. Kids are being diagnosed and prescribed almost instantaneously by their doctors for ADHD. Maybe there's a rise in kids who are having hard time sitting in class, but is it a rising problem illness or something else that choose to miss? I feel that's just the education system's inability to fund special classes and care for children who don't fit the "normative" behaviour.
Just with everything in life, money clouds the minds of people. Suddenly new problems are diagnosed and pharmaceutical companies can make more money. So excuse me if I cringe a little when people attain that shit so easily and think they're fucking ill everytime they don't feel they were up to par as usual. Yes, I was depressed and even saw a shrink. I got drugs. I am now healthy, because I stopped taking them. They weren't harming me, no, they were actually good. But I realized soon enough the solution is within me, not the drugs. That's just treating the symptoms.
[QUOTE=Collin665;34124222]Well, firstly, cancer isn't a psychological illness, [B]so willpower or anything of the sort would make no difference.[/B]
Depression, on the other hand, is. Thoughts and actions DO have an effect, and a significant one at that.
Secondly, chemo has a much better track record of efficacy than antidepressants.
And yet even then plenty of people decide to avoid chemo for the side effects, and that results in death. So, sure, people can avoid antidepressants for its side effects.[/QUOTE]
What is willpower, and what are you supposed to do if you're not born with this wonderful skill?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;34127226]What is willpower, and what are you supposed to do if you're not born with this wonderful skill?[/QUOTE]
Everybody can wield their will power, but it depends on how strong their desires are.
[QUOTE=Seith;34126313]affects and being unable to think normally are two different things. My thoughts get affected by a million things everyday and I might not be able to act as I usually do on any given day of the week. Does that make me depressed?[/quote]
Do you think about killing yourself every day? Have you ever been unable to go to school or work for a week because your mind simply won't let you? You're talking about something completely different than depression here.
Your thoughts being affected by outside sources is not a psychological disorder, (although it can cause you to develop one) it's a problem with being around shitty outside sources.
[QUOTE=Seith;34126313]I understand your need to prove there's a need for shrinks, drugs and that depression is a real rising problem due to a lot of factors. But that wasn't my point. My point was, my opinion on the matter, is that people tend to find their answers within drugs instead of trying to work their problems. It's so easy to prescribe drugs now, that people don't even feel the need to work out their problems. That's just, in my opinion again, blowing air constantly in an already blown tire - It will keep happening, dosage will get higher and the need for newer and better drugs will increase. As a result, it will keep fuelling this billion dollar industry, that even though has an answer for some people, it's not the answer for every case of depression.[/quote]
What does it matter how big the industry is? If your problem is with pharmaceutical companies, get a generic. But it seems to me your actual problem is not being able to realize that some people have problems that they can't just 'walk off'.
As for your tire comparison, antidepressants aren't the air in this analogy. For a lot of people that's what the act of trying to think positively is. For those people, antidepressants are the tire sealant you spray in before attempting to fill it with air.
[QUOTE=Seith;34126313]This is like Ritalin. Kids are being diagnosed and prescribed almost instantaneously by their doctors for ADHD. Maybe there's a rise in kids who are having hard time sitting in class, but is it a rising problem illness or something else that choose to miss? I feel that's just the education system's inability to fund special classes and care for children who don't fit the "normative" behaviour.[/quote]
ADHD makes people excited and "disruptive", so it's possible that there's an actual agenda behind why so many kids are being diagnosed with it. It's also possible that we're just better at diagnosing it.
But with depressed people? We don't generally get in the way so society has no reason to want to overmedicate us. Treating depressed people makes us more "disruptive" in the end so your reasoning behind why people may be overdiagnosed with ADHD is in direct contradiction to your reasoning behind why people may be overdiagnosed with depression.
[QUOTE=Seith;34126313]Just with everything in life, money clouds the minds of people. Suddenly new problems are diagnosed and pharmaceutical companies can make more money. So excuse me if I cringe a little when people attain that shit so easily and think they're fucking ill everytime they don't feel they were up to par as usual. Yes, I was depressed and even saw a shrink. I got drugs. I am now healthy, because I stopped taking them. They weren't harming me, no, they were actually good. But I realized soon enough the solution is within me, not the drugs. That's just treating the symptoms.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm happy that you were able to get better without drugs, really I am.
I'm not so glad that you're using it as an excuse to elevate yourself above depressed people in an attempt to inflate your tiny ego.
[editline]9th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Seith;34131188]Everybody can wield their will power, but it depends on how strong their desires are.[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck off that's not how depression works. If you're just using this thread as a way to dickwave how great you are, get out.
I was just giving out another perspective, as I've said. I wasn't saying stuff in an "absolute" fashion.
And again, I never said there was no need, but that I just feel there's a rising need for people to quick fix their problems. How big of a matter that is, I don't care. I'm not trying to prove people don't need drugs, but rather overuse them, maybe.
The rest I actually agree with, although I'm not quite sure what you meant in your comment about my Ritalin comparison.
P.S
The reason for me even commenting, is because I see a massive amount of teens using the words depressed, when It really isn't the case most of the time.
Seith, your methods might work for a couple of people in Social Advice Chat but this is really not the thread in which to tell people "it's all in your mind"
depression is a full blown illness of the psyche and countless people like you have come into the thread thinking they can solve people's problems, when they really can't
trust me, stop this and go back to love advice
[QUOTE=Seith;34131188]Everybody can wield their will power, but it depends on how strong their desires are.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make any sense.
The idea that people can just "will" themselves out of something is childish at best.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;34131420]That doesn't make any sense.
The idea that people can just "will" themselves out of something is childish at best.[/QUOTE]
Good thing it's your opinion. I accept it.
[editline]9th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Turnips5;34131406]Seith, your methods might work for a couple of people in Social Advice Chat but this is really not the thread in which to tell people "it's all in your mind"
depression is a full blown illness of the psyche and countless people like you have come into the thread thinking they can solve people's problems, when they really can't
trust me, stop this and go back to love advice[/QUOTE]
I understand what the purpose of this thread, but I just said what was on my mind. It wasn't such a far fetched idea.
Now, let's let the people here discuss their problems.
[QUOTE=Seith;34131345]I was just giving out another perspective, as I've said. I wasn't saying stuff in an "absolute" fashion.
And again, I never said there was no need, but that I just feel there's a rising need for people to quick fix their problems. How big of a matter that is, I don't care. I'm not trying to prove people don't need drugs, but rather overuse them, maybe.
The rest I actually agree with, although I'm not quite sure what you meant in your comment about my Ritalin comparison.
P.S
The reason for me even commenting, is because I see a massive amount of teens using the words depressed, [b]when It really isn't the case most of the time.[/b][/QUOTE]
go play doctor elsewhere
what exactly is your skepticism supposed to add to this thread?
imagine I went into a support group for rape victims and said "hey, you know, sometimes people lie about being raped just to get back at someone. it's true!", then walked out
I'd be a massive jerkbag wouldn't I
well that hypothetical version of me is what you're doing right now, except you're not walking out for some reason
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34131948]go play doctor elsewhere
what exactly is your skepticism supposed to add to this thread?
imagine I went into a support group for rape victims and said "hey, you know, sometimes people lie about being raped just to get back at someone. it's true!", then walked out
I'd be a massive jerkbag wouldn't I
well that hypothetical version of me is what you're doing right now, except you're not walking out for some reason[/QUOTE]
But that had no purpose my friend. What you hypothetically said that is. You just said something that is just hurtful, when obviously the people of the group took their time and effort to join it and listen to people who want to be heard. I want to help and hear people.
I am just offering another perspective, again, not a new way entirely. Maybe it will make the people feeling depressed, think, maybe it's not depression at all, but something else.
No point in discussing this any further, as I understand where you're coming from. Just a mere new point of view at things.
it's not like what I said in that example would be untrue, "just a new point of view"
what makes it different from what you're doing
Let's end this here. No point when you're just denying what I say as an ideal. "What you say is wrong".
notice 16 new posts. sees two tards arguing.
Who gave you the authority for you to deem your perspective so right. As stated earlier, by others and I, your perspective is unwanted in this thread.
People post in here to talk about [B]their[/B] experience with depression/their case, and get advice on how to deal with it. How do you think they feel when they come in here to post about what is going on in their life and see you ramble on saying "lol depression is overrated and over diagnosed". You're implying to the common reader who has depression, that they might just lack motivation and need "will power" and what they have doesn't require clinical attention;which is a dangerous notion to put in peoples heads.
Seith i notice you post around this forum in an empty attempt to seem "enlightened" with your perspectives, you try to come off wise, and respectful. In reality it's just broken rhetoric with common grammar errors, a pep talk everyone has all heard before, and unwanted commentary in the wrong place. So kindly, don't bring up your "perspective" again in here.
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Collin665;34124222]Well, firstly, cancer isn't a psychological illness, so willpower or anything of the sort would make no difference.
[/QUOTE]
You could argue that some forms of depression are physiological.
Would you consider a hormone imbalance and neurotransmitter imbalance a physical disorder? I would.
Some people have depression due to a genetic predisposition (inherited). And willpower affects every affects everything. I've never heard a cancer survivor say "I had given up after the first round of chemo", it's always "I never gave up hope" or along the lines.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;34136935]notice 16 new posts. sees two tards arguing.
Who gave you the authority for you to deem your perspective so right. As stated earlier, by others and I, your perspective is unwanted in this thread.
People post in here to talk about [B]their[/B] experience with depression/their case, and get advice on how to deal with it. How do you think they feel when they come in here to post about what is going on in their life and see you ramble on saying "lol depression is overrated and over diagnosed". You're implying to the common reader who has depression, that they might just lack motivation and need "will power" and what they have doesn't require clinical attention;which is a dangerous notion to put in peoples heads.
Seith i notice you post around this forum in an empty attempt to seem "enlightened" with your perspectives, you try to come off wise, and respectful. In reality it's just broken rhetoric with common grammar errors, a pep talk everyone has all heard before, and unwanted commentary in the wrong place. So kindly, don't bring up your "perspective" again in here.
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
You could argue that some forms of depression are physiological.
Would you consider a hormone imbalance and neurotransmitter imbalance a physical disorder? I would.
Some people have depression due to a genetic predisposition (inherited). And willpower affects every affects everything. I've never heard a cancer survivor say "I had given up after the first round of chemo", it's always "I never gave up hope" or along the lines.[/QUOTE]
No, what you are implying is that every reader here should be diagnosed as depressed / is depressed / have had experience with it. If you scroll up, you'll see some are just asking for advice to counter this sudden new / not so new feeling in their lives.
But I shall leave this thread be. Good morning :)
Had my first day of seeing a psychotherapist.
Most emotional 2 hours of my life.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;34151301]Had my first day of seeing a psychotherapist.
Most emotional 2 hours of my life.[/QUOTE]
Introductions are the hardest part, I had to do it three times because they kept retiring
if anything it made it easier to be open with people
I still have a pounding headache from the stress of forcing myself to open up to her.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;34152041]I still have a pounding headache from the stress of forcing myself to open up to her.[/QUOTE]
I wrote a letter the first time I had to do it, it was easier to answer questions gradually than to just say everything at once
I lost all my friends in a matter of months. They all stopped liking me for some reason, and now I think they are spreading rumors about me. I sort of found new friends, but I find it impossible to give myself happiness, I can't play games anymore, I can't sleep without thinking about what went wrong. The illusion of my life starts to fade and I finally start to see how fucking worthless and lazy I am, I don't exercise, I have meh grades, I sit at home on the computer all day and eat the food my parents make for me, I don't even drive and I am almost 18. I even start to feel like I am losing my ability to think intelligently which I feel is my only pro.
I know these are probably first world problems and I shouldn't fret over such things, but the psychological damage is really taking grip, I promise am not kidding when I say I am starting to lose my fucking mind. My whole fun little world has folded right on top of me, I feel bitter, depressed, and I just want to get the fuck out of here. I am also thinking about turning to alcohol or weed or something to cheer me up, which has been something I have been opposed to for a long time. I'm not at the point where I think I should kill myself, but I have had some bad scenarios play in my head where I just want to mow down all the fucking kids in my way when I walk through the halls.
Shit I opened up, I hope nobody from my school sees this shit, i'm really self conscious.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34151175]thanks mate[/QUOTE]
<3 i dun think ur a [URL="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tardus#Latin"]slow/sluggish[/URL]
[QUOTE=Collin665;34155903]<3 i dun think ur a [URL="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tardus#Latin"]slow/sluggish[/URL][/QUOTE]
heh
tardis
Anyone else is experiencing Brain fog? Its been between 5-10 years that im stuck with that shit, im really sick of it.
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