[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29411554]"i have no idea what the fuck im talking about but i'll quote mav to make people think i was just about to say the same thing also you're all dumb for not realizing what i'm quoting"[/QUOTE]
Hurr it's basic logic to assume that you would want a girl to be as comfortable around around you as possible, regardless of circumstance, if you're trying to get with her. Therefore, the only thing that changes from person to person is the means by which you try to reach that comfortability. In the case of someone with a boyfriend, it's obviously going to make them uncomfortable if they feel like they're cheating, or anywhere near it.
It doesn't take a damn rocket scientist to figure that out.
[editline]24th April 2011[/editline]
Besides that, I gave advice pretty consistently in LA proper. If I disagree with Mav on something, I say so. He just happens to be right, because that approach is fucking obvious, with a little thought.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29411783]
Besides that, I gave advice pretty consistently in LA proper. If I disagree with Mav on something, I say so. He just happens to be right, because that approach is fucking obvious, with a little thought.[/QUOTE]
congratulations
who gives a fuck
I rate boxes because I can't actually say anything intelligent too.
I love you all.
fuck you all
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
Just kidding. Don't cry. :pluto:
So tell me, am I an ugly fuck?
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Rarely get opinions from people, so asking on facepunch makes sense.
[editline]24th April 2011[/editline]
I know the pose is gay, but w.e.
Nope but you have strange looking ears.
No your not ugly Mr Kel|oggs
[QUOTE=Dark_Light;29416125]Nope but you have strange looking ears.[/QUOTE]
I never noticed it, but my ears are weird as fuck.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29411460]I thought this was mostly obvious.[/QUOTE]
Apparently not if I had to ask. Hurr.
Thanks Mav.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29411783]
Besides that, I gave advice pretty consistently in LA proper. If I disagree with Mav on something, I say so. He just happens to be right, because that approach is fucking obvious, with a little thought.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about, you never gave any good advice in LA, you always asked for advice.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29411042]You don't ask girls with boyfriends out in the same manner you do single girls.
With taken girls, you [b]do[/b] want to use the words "hang out" and whatnot. You want whatever you do to be disguised as a "just friends" kind of endeavor. This puts her at ease and keeps her from raising walls up. Even if you manage to get her to go on a legitimate date with you, she'll be really reserved and uneasy because she knows she's cheating.
If you disguise everything as just friends hanging out, she's put at ease even if she knows your real intentions. So, if you say "Hey, you should come to the movies with my on Saturday," and she replies, "You know I have a boyfriend," you respond with, "So? I meant just as friends," with a smug look on your face.
I guess I worded things wrongly when I said to pretend he doesn't exist. I mean it in the context that you behave around her like you would if she was single. You don't bring up the boyfriend and when she says something about him, you completely ignore it by diverting the conversation.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I've been doing this for about 2/3 months with the girl I mentioned, she hasn't objected to us meeting up as we've called it. I don't think she knows my intentions, yet it seems all our friends, including her boyfriend, does.
And so with this, are you waiting for her to make the move? If not, how would you make a move? Also, she refuses to let my buy her anything when we're out together, I take this isn't a good sign.
[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;29416274]I never noticed it, but my ears are weird as fuck.[/QUOTE]
I have seen ears weirder than yours.
*cough*Mav*cough*
[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;29416274]I never noticed it, but my ears are weird as fuck.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if its the flash from the camera, but your ears seem whiter than your face.
Why would you ask an internet forum full of mostly guys how you look?
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;29418257]Why would you ask an internet forum full of mostly guys how you look?[/QUOTE]
Because were all gay.
Guys can give opinions on other guys, there's nothing gay about that.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
Unless it's like "Yeah I'd fuck you."
[QUOTE=Agenda;29399974]
I can't tell if you are even being serious or not, but if you are serious. It doesn't need to be super special, just put a little effort into whatever you do. I personally learned how to make an origami rose and gave it to her on valentines. Rather than just buying a rose I really put time and effort into making it (many many bad attempts), and she recognised that. It goes a long way.
You're most likely joking but anyway, may help anyone else that looks at this.[/QUOTE]
^ Rofl
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
wowfuck i missed
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;29417428]Ok, I've been doing this for about 2/3 months with the girl I mentioned, she hasn't objected to us meeting up as we've called it. I don't think she knows my intentions, yet it seems all our friends, including her boyfriend, does.
And so with this, are you waiting for her to make the move? If not, how would you make a move? Also, she refuses to let my buy her anything when we're out together, I take this isn't a good sign.[/QUOTE]
You have to make miniature moves.
Don't dive in to kiss her, but you have to be physical and flirtatious with her. If you just go places and talk, then you're not making any progress. Get close to her, behave as if you're on a date even if you're not.
To be honest Mort, it's sounding like you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. 3 months of friendly hanging out with no real flirting or anything, it's just going to feel awkward and unusual if you try and start making moves now.
That being said, if all of her friends and especially her boyfriend knows of your intentions, then it's highly likely that she does as well. Girls can pick up on that sort of thing, and if she does know but is still happy to go out with you, then that might be saying something.
The fact that she isn't letting you spend money on her isn't much of a sign of anything, she's just being polite and doesn't want to use you. What are you trying to pay for anyway? Yes, it's nice to pay for a girl's meal or ticket or whatever every now and then, but she isn't even single and you're already trying to treat her? Slow down a little man, she needs to 'unlock' those sorts of benefits.
If I were to give any advice it'd be this; take a little break from the friendly outings, depending on how often you do it. Just a small gap, so when you take her out next time, it won't feel so unusual when you start doing things differently (by now she'd probably be used to the same routine, sort of thing).
When you next go out with her, greet her with an intimate hug or even a peck on the cheek, just start things physical right from the get-go. As has been said, be more flirtatious and physical throughout the date, just escalate gradually so she's pulled into your game and doesn't even know what's happening. Keep her laughing and smiling; laughter really can be the best aphrodisiac. Be unpredictable, take her somewhere unusual and different to what you'd usually do. If she shows signs of compliance, then continue to escalate. If she seems uncomfortable, then slow down and wait until a better moment to take things further again.
Your goal here isn't to get her to make out with you at he end of that date or whatever. All you want is to start building attraction, and getting her to see you as a potential romantic interest, and not just as a friend. By the sounds of it, up till now she's been filing you away under 'friends', what with all the coming to you for advice and whatnot. You want to break that pattern and show her that you could also be a lot of fun in a relationship situation.
All in all though, you've got a tough one. You can do this, but it definitely won't be easy, so don't be so disappointed if it doesn't go through. You should look to other girls in the meantime, even just to practise on (seriously). It can also work in your favour with the girl in question, as it'd make you seem more and more viable as a romantic partner to her if you're doing shit with other girls.
Really though, don't wait on the taken girl for so long that you miss all the available ones.
Thanks for all the advice guys. I've tried to buy her a drink and give her literally £3 to get a CD she wanted (as she didn't have enough money on her).
As for taking a break, its been two months between our last meet-ups. We used to see each other weekly doing a work experience thing, but that's stopped, so we have to meet up on other occasions.
I try and be a bit flirty and complement her and stuff, and we do talk about intimate stuff that I wouldn't with anyone else. Most the time we just laugh and lightly take the piss out of each other.
Next time I meet her (I'm thinking the 4 day weekend this week we have in the UK) I'll try and be more physical. As for other girls, I haven't met a girl I'd contemplate dating in over a year. This will hopefully and most likely change next year though.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
The advice thing, she said she asks the same things to her boyfriend, just for some reason she thinks I'm better at giving advice.
And what would be an example to you of something flirtatious? I think it's kind of hard to define.
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;29424239]Thanks for all the advice guys. I've tried to buy her a drink and give her literally £3 to get a CD she wanted (as she didn't have enough money on her).
As for taking a break, its been two months between our last meet-ups. We used to see each other weekly doing a work experience thing, but that's stopped, so we have to meet up on other occasions.
I try and be a bit flirty and complement her and stuff, and we do talk about intimate stuff that I wouldn't with anyone else. Most the time we just laugh and lightly take the piss out of each other.
Next time I meet her (I'm thinking the 4 day weekend this week we have in the UK) I'll try and be more physical. As for other girls, I haven't met a girl I'd contemplate dating in over a year. This will hopefully and most likely change next year though.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
The advice thing, she said she asks the same things to her boyfriend, just for some reason she thinks I'm better at giving advice.
And what would be an example to you of something flirtatious? I think it's kind of hard to define.[/QUOTE]
It means she friendzoned you, you are now her guy friend of gives her advice and a shoulder to cry on. Do yourself a favor and move on before you hurt yourself.
I thought the friend zone doesn't exist.
It doesn't.
Yes, you can get to a point where a girl thinks of you as nothing but a friend. However, the traditional friend zone concept states that once you've gotten to this point, you're screwed and can't get out of it unless some kind of crazy miracle occurs. That isn't the case.
It is possible to change how a girl feels about you with a lot of skill, effort, and luck. The main reason why guys get "stuck" in that situation is because they misinterpret the word effort. They think pestering a girl about being in a relationship/begging her to give them a chance is the equivalent of trying hard. In fact, effort refers to how much time you're willing to dedicate to the situation. You have to be a perfect example of the best dude to be in a relationship with. You have to treat [b]every[/b] girl (as long as she's around) like you're the best guy in the world. You have to show her that you're optimal boyfriend material without saying "I'm optimal boyfriend material."
However, most kids aren't willing to put forward that kind of effort, so they'd rather just say "hurr friend zone you're fucked 4 lyfe" because they're lazy shits.
Maverick says it doesn't exist because it's possible to get out.
I say it still exists, and yes it may be [i]possible[/i] to get out, but it exists as a zone where it's [i]hard[/i] to get out.
Meaning unless you really really like her it's not worth it to even try.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
Oh there we go maverick ninja'd me.
I don't think anyone ever said the friend zone meant you couldn't get out.
I think it means it's simply hard to get out.
friend zone is just a stupid concept and really just exists as an outlet for people to let out their hatred of girls
the words "friend zone" and "bitch" are never far off in my experience
sometimes a guy has no chance in the world to ever get in a relationship with a girl
now, this is the "friend zone"
however, the friend zone doesn't mean that you're too good a friend for her to be in a relationship with you
friend zone = you are not attractive to her, you will never be, a relationship without any attraction is quite impossible, now get over yourself and stop whining just because you an ugly bastard
Friend area would be more appropriate. Friend cordon, perhaps? Friend enclave?
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29428796]Friend area would be more appropriate. Friend cordon, perhaps? Friend enclave?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Occlusion;29428999]For only £30 a month to any girl you too can get access to THE FRIEND ZONE.[/QUOTE]
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