I want to run for Prime Minister of England, yet I think my ideas may be challenged.
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you know next time you (fake) announce your running for Prime Minister you generally should have your argument prepared.
[QUOTE=YoMother;25609049]And an education.[/QUOTE]
and body oil
*snip*
Well, I'd love to have a Hitler in my time, I'll go to England, vote for you, then come back.
Alright, fellow Facepunchers, I concede. I came into this certain topic with a petition for reform and I now realize that my opinions were simply a repetition of fascism, which has shown itself to be flawed again and again. I apologize for this ridiculous ordeal. I merely wanted to address my own frustrations with this country and look for possible solutions. My first thoughts were to improve the education system and political system. However, I came about it the wrong way.
Now, thanks to all of you, I realize the flaws within my argument. I would like to thank a few people who helped me realize this. First off, I would like to thank [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?1017805-I-want-to-run-for-Prime-Minister-of-England-yet-I-think-my-ideas-may-be-challenged.&p=25604198&viewfull=1#post25604198]r3mix[/url]. Though I disagree with the "need" for stupid people, I can see what you are trying to say about the strict government system. It is flawed and I realize this now. Thank you.
Secondly, I would like to thank [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?1017805-I-want-to-run-for-Prime-Minister-of-England-yet-I-think-my-ideas-may-be-challenged.&p=25606803&viewfull=1#post25606803"] Firerain[/URL] (a snazzy pink uniform would be lovely, however). You're right. It is fascism. Though I can't honestly say that I now believe that the idea of fascism is completely flawed, I do see how history has shown its potential to be. Hopefully we do not return to the ideas that made Mussolini and Hitler.
Finally, I would like to especially thank [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?1017805-I-want-to-run-for-Prime-Minister-of-England-yet-I-think-my-ideas-may-be-challenged.&p=25607119&viewfull=1#post25607119"]Nahyan.[/URL] Your argument made the biggest change to my personal beliefs. I was immature to post what I did and now regret my choice to do so. However, I still do disagree for the need for stupid people. Britain doesn't have the resources or land to be sustainable for "worker's" agriculture and steel. We don't have massive oil deposits or vast areas of unfarmed land. Personally, I am of the belief that by educating the public, we can push our stronger industries: banking, technology, engineering, and medical research.
Thanks to all who supported me and disagreed with me. Many of your points are valid, and I hope you will not see me as a Spork-Juct. I hope to grow up and further my education in politics and pursue it. I dream of maybe becoming a solid political member in the future and I now see this short argument as a stepping stone, not the end of my path. I know this has created much controversy and many of my ideas were flawed, but I hope you do not completely disregard me in the future. Once again, I apologize.
I hope the rest of this thread, if it isn't closed, can be a mild and non-violent discussion of politics.
Thank you.
Make this happen so America has another reason to punch a country in the face.
Send the immigrants to Christmas island.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25604198]You're going to stop... people from breeding? What? Are you insane, do you want the human race to come to a hault and only allow certain individuals to have birth if you "pass some test?" Hello? Wake up buddy, we live in a world where greed and corruption rule. Money talks, your test will be completely useless. People will bribe others. And why five years? You're basically now pulling a Hitler, no offense, you're segregating people and placing them in different places by their level of IQ and the such. You're refusing everyone's basic right of freedom to do as they please. Then you go and say people with intelligence problems will be exempt? What? So now you're not allowing someone normal to breed, but allowing some special need to breed? Sorry, but now you're just looking like a complete pro-segregator.
...Then you're going to stop funding charities? So now you're being selfish, and focusing only on Britain. Sure you can't help everyone, but you know what, at least you can [b]try to help.[/b]
By the looks of it buddy, you're heading towards something like this:
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With a little bit of this:
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You're talking about fixing your own country, yet you just say you're going to cut benefits and cut charities and all this. You really think you can just say to the entire country... OKAY GUYS! WE ARE HEREBY STOPPING ALL FUNDING TO CHARITIES, AND ALL BENEFITS. FROM NOW ON, YOU MUST WORK IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY!
Let's say this all happens, you really think you'd even have the United States of America as an ally anymore?[/QUOTE]
Stupid liberal/conservative
Hey, imagine if there were too much people on this planet - so much that the Earth's ecosystem couldn't handle them. You either stop people from breeding or the mankind faces it's end.
What would you do?
Sounds like a good replacement for hurr durr democracy.
This actually works
If the OP can remain selfless
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25593613]Good enough for me.
Now.
About war. This whole war in the middle east is preposterously annoying. The reason we're in this war is because of religion. And because of America. But they're still cool.
Religion has started wars. It has guided us through the troubles of the past. Religion was created when we didn't understand the world. Where we knew nothing. Where people would die, and to comfort people, they would say that they have gone to a better place, and that is a perfectly understand able concept. They're all based off the same thing, they're all there to help each other, and yet they continue to start wars. Most religous people are fine, and most extreamists are harmless. But the ones that are dangerous are a threat. When we think of extreamist, we picture muslim people bombing others because of beliefs, in reality they are but one of the problems, you get extreamists in every religion. The teachings that religion gives are true, and straight. Yet they were written in a time where we didn't understand. Now we do, and some of those meanings have changed. What I propose is that religion needs to be "modernized" It's teaches implicated in a modern scenario in which we can all understand and learn. You cannot prevent religious wars. But you can change them, for the better. And that is what I wish to do.[/QUOTE]
Modernize religons, Better known as treat me like a pharaoh .
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Actually i was thinking of running as prime minister of my country when i grow up, and i have a good ideology for it, and maybye if your political thoughts were a bit more compatible with mine, well this is how a diplomatic meeting with you and me look lke if we both succeed:
[img_thumb]http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-NaziPartyDay_1934c.jpg[/img_thumb]
Utterly farcical to the point of insanity. The fact that you seem to want people to *elect* you into a dictator's position shows your fundamental misunderstanding of why people vote. This seems to be based on your apparently very limited experience of how the world works.
I would fight tooth and nail to stop Britain becoming a dictatorship.
Well i did come up with something i call selectivism, might be a good model of government, made a document about it, so it might not be a dictatorship other than autocratic rule.
Hmm...by the looks of this, OP will never have kids...
Totalitarian regimes are very risky but can bring a lot of benefit if ran properly. It's like attaching a jet engine to your car when you're late to work.
[QUOTE=Matriax;25613975]Utterly farcical to the point of insanity. The fact that you seem to want people to *elect* you into a dictator's position shows your fundamental misunderstanding of why people vote. This seems to be based on your apparently very limited experience of how the world works.
I would fight tooth and nail to stop Britain becoming a dictatorship.[/QUOTE]
Hardly, although it rarely ever happens, there are times when Dictators have been voted in. What I was trying to do was to convince the populace that we can't continue down this path, and that we must make changes for the better. You say that you would [quote]fight tooth and nail to stop Britain becoming a dictatorship.[/quote] Yet you fail to provide a reason. Dictatorships can be bad. Yes. But they can also be successful, just because we haven't had a good dictator doesn't mean we can't. They would need to be selfless, and think on behalf of everyone. Alot of people said that I was heartless to stop providing aid to foreign countries, but really. That's a selfless act in the end, this country does help others, but if we can scarcely help ourselves, how can we help others?
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[QUOTE=Nahyan;25615275]Hmm...by the looks of this, OP will never have kids...[/QUOTE]
And do you mind stating how that has any rele-
Oh. I saw that. Very funny. But really? Is it stupid to broadcast my views? It is stupid to believe that we can change this country into something better?
Am I an idiot for believing in my own words, and not backing down when opposed? True, the ideas we're concrete, and they had flaws, but they were a collection of thoughts and ideas. They are in no way my full views, but mearly an glance at the full, and true ones. The idea of Birth Control, and this test - Something that now I can't really see the reason, those ideas are the basis of something that could work. Lots of people believe that a Dictatorship could work, if it were done in such a way, that the leader thought only of the people, something in which I do all of the time, then it could work.
I conceded because my ideas were not the best. They were facist, and utterly insane. Yet I still believe there is a chance that it could work. I need to focus them, and that is what will do. I will focus them, I will shape them - hopefully into something better this time. Facism could work. I believe that it could.
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25615415]Hardly, although it rarely ever happens, there are times when Dictators have been voted in. What I was trying to do was to convince the populace that we can't continue down this path, and that we must make changes for the better. You say that you would Yet you fail to provide a reason. Dictatorships can be bad. Yes. But they can also be successful, just because we haven't had a good dictator doesn't mean we can't. They would need to be selfless, and think on behalf of everyone. Alot of people said that I was heartless to stop providing aid to foreign countries, but really. That's a selfless act in the end, this country does help others, but if we can scarcely help ourselves, how can we help others?
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And do you mind stating how that has any rele-
Oh. I saw that. Very funny. But really? Is it stupid to broadcast my views? It is stupid to believe that we can change this country into something better?
Am I an idiot for believing in my own words, and not backing down when opposed? True, the ideas we're concrete, and they had flaws, but they were a collection of thoughts and ideas. They are in no way my full views, but mearly an glance at the full, and true ones. The idea of Birth Control, and this test - Something that now I can't really see the reason, those ideas are the basis of something that could work. Lots of people believe that a Dictatorship could work, if it were done in such a way, that the leader thought only of the people, something in which I do all of the time, then it could work.
I conceded because my ideas were not the best. They were facist, and utterly insane. Yet I still believe there is a chance that it could work. I need to focus them, and that is what will do. I will focus them, I will shape them - hopefully into something better this time. Facism could work. I believe that it could.[/QUOTE]
Nazi Germany worked perfectly until the war.
[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25615611]Nazi Germany worked perfectly until the war.[/QUOTE]
Well, except for a few things.
But i'm not planning on Mass Killing or Starting a war anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25615662]Well, except for a few things.
But i'm not planning on Mass Killing or Starting a war anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Are you more of a leftist or a rightist? What's your preferred political ideology?
OP obviously has no idea how the economy works. Such a severe promotion of being intelligent would cause a lack of low skill workers and people who otherwise would fill this gap by immigrating to the UK would be put off by such measures.
I'm slightly in the middle, I support Leftist, and rightist ideas. They both have some interesting ideas.
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[QUOTE=Callius;25615869]OP obviously has no idea how the economy works. Such a severe promotion of being intelligent would cause a lack of low skill workers and people who otherwise would fill this gap by immigrating to the UK would be put off by such measures.[/QUOTE]
Hardly. I've already addressed this, that we're not trying to promote people to be massively intellegent, just smart enough to a reasonable degree. It's the people that refuse to learn, and refuse to do anything about it, that are the problem. True, they're the best workers most times. But I feel if we're all eductated to at least the extent that most people are after secondary school, then we could be fine. Once everyone is at a minimum standard, we still have our workers, they're just... slightly smarter.
this is a bad thread
i know we all know that but im just sayin
its really bad
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[QUOTE=Firerain;25615957]this is a bad thread
i know we all know that but im just sayin
its really bad
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Firerain, I liked your ideas for uniforms, and if I ever got in power, i'd get you to design the military unifoms. However, you really need to stop doing that. Tell me, what's bad about this?
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25607462]You are completely right, and this I understand. However, not 100% true. [b]Stupid people are needed yes.[/b] [b]If there wern't stupid people, the US would have died out.[/b] Your country is still alive due to idiocy, and I'm not removing most people. Almost everyone will pass the test. And I'm not going to sit back and allow my country to die out. I am attempting to fight back against the problems that we have. I don't plan to make the test biased, nor to get quotas. However, if immigrants refuse to accept the Birth Control plan, then we will need to remove them. I'm saying that I won't be corrupt. Because I plan to help Britain by becoming stronger, everyone has their moments of corruptedness, it's part of Human Nature. But I believe that we can postpone it. I place this country and everyone's views far above my own.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25608116]Oh don't worry, [b]I believe we are all equal.[/b] And I don't mean stupid as an insult. But rather, they work, and they don't have the problems of having to help society, those that are intelligent are burdened with problems so everyone else can rest easy. The intelligent help the stupid so the stupid can rest easy. The stupid are blessed with the lack of knowledge to realize what's happening.
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Those that fail are still cared for. They are educated untill they can pass it. Nobody is better than anyone. This test is mearly there to prove education, and knowlage. If they fail it, which they most likely won't, then they are educated until they can pass it, or they can refuse education, and drive themself to extinction.[/QUOTE]
Number one, are you a fucking idiot? Number two, you just contradicted yourself. Do you believe everyone is really equal because you said stupid people are needed.
[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25613196]Stupid liberal/conservative
Hey, imagine if there were too much people on this planet - so much that the Earth's ecosystem couldn't handle them. You either stop people from breeding or the mankind faces it's end.
What would you do?[/QUOTE]
Hello stupid right-winger, we are currently at the Population of 6,697,254,041 on the Planet Earth according to 2008 Records. There have been many more human beings before us for centuries. Our planet still lives on, and is able to handle us.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25616045]Number one, are you a fucking idiot? Number two, you just contradicted yourself. Do you believe everyone is really equal because you said stupid people are needed.
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1. No.
2. Yes, I believe we're all equal. We may not be at the same intellegence level, and I can accept that. People are needed fully. If you're lacking in the brains department, then that's fine. I want to raise education to a level where people are atleast to some degree, reasonably intellegent.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25616045]Number one, are you a fucking idiot? Number two, you just contradicted yourself. Do you believe everyone is really equal because you said stupid people are needed.
Hello stupid right-winger, we are currently at the Population of 6,697,254,041 on the Planet Earth according to 2008 Records. There have been many more human beings before us for centuries. Our planet still lives on, and is able to handle us.[/QUOTE]
That's why I asked you to imagine this situation and see your choice. You aren't very bright by the way.
[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25616117]That's why I asked you to imagine this situation and see your choice. You aren't very bright by the way.[/QUOTE]
The situation is currently at hand in real life, open your god damn eyes and look outside. We are overpopulated, and the Human Race is still alive, are we not?
[QUOTE=Rowtree;25616102]Yes, I believe we're all equal. We may not be at the same intellegence level, and I can accept that. People are needed fully. If you're lacking in the brains department, then that's fine. I want to raise education to a level where people are atleast to some degree, reasonably intellegent.[/QUOTE]
Equality - the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability.
And for someone who wants people to be at some degree, [b]*intelligent*[/b] you sure have some grammar errors in your sentences.
I'm American, but this thread makes it sound like Britain is fucked to all hell. :psyduck:
[QUOTE=Callius;25615869]OP obviously has no idea how the economy works. Such a severe promotion of being intelligent would cause a lack of low skill workers and people who otherwise would fill this gap by immigrating to the UK would be put off by such measures.[/QUOTE]
What you've just said was incredibly idiotic.
After allowing an IQ of above 130 or so to breed there would still be a bell curve distribution of intelligence. People who are the least intelligent (about 130-155 IQ by the current standards, which would eventually turn into a retarded-low average level when the last generations have finally died out) would do the low skill jobs as they would be retarded compared to an average person. (Let's say 175 by the current standards)
[QUOTE=R3mix;25616212]The situation is currently at hand in real life, open your god damn eyes and look outside. We are overpopulated, and the Human Race is still alive, are we not?
Equality - the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability.
And for someone who wants people to be at some degree, [b]*intelligent*[/b] you sure have some grammar errors in your sentences.[/QUOTE]
Hell, if I ever got in, you'd be the Grammar Nazi.
But yeah. I want people to atleast be equal in education.
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