• A "psychological" SFM video (Looking for feedback)
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49444253]it's people like you that are contributing to the downfall of art and civilization[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/01/dismissive_wanking.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=maxkhson;49442647]So I recently created this fairly fast. Something I've had in my mind for a while. I can't really tell the meaning of the video as it is something you "decide". [/QUOTE] I decide that there is nothing really special in this video and it's just some kinky softcore porn with the knife serving no purpose but to be metaphorically, and literary, edgy. Also the chick disappearing is something about the artist not getting to first base I "decide".
i liked it when the wine tried to gather the dragonballs but the knife stopped him
just add a huge logo with a pretentious minimalist font in the corner and you'll be able to make sfm porn like a pro
Jesus fuck Facepunch sure does love adding salt to everything! Anyway, I thought this video might be a good example for psychological animation. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE[/media] Hope it helps at least some.
Pretty artsy dude.
So, I want to extend an olive branch to you [B]maxkhson[/B], and try to explain where you went so horribly wrong. In all of the genres of film that the world embrace, the genre of "psychological" films produce some of the most curious objects. They are films that through symbolism, oblique story telling and the use of visuals ranging from obscure to explicit, are design to provoke thought in the watcher without telling the watcher what to think. However, they are designed to provoke the [I]intended[/I] thought. Simply holding up a placard and saying, "thoughts here please," doesn't quite get the ball to the endzone. Unless you can explain the 'message' then no one can even begin to guess whether the film successfully conveyed it or not! Consider some films that I think of as psychological: ***Spoilers for the films Burnt by the Sun, Triangle and Cabin in the Woods*** [B]Burnt By the Sun:[/B] This Russian film is, for the most part, a relatively low key drama set in the age of Stalinist purges. A famous general is fingered as a traitor, and a childhood friend of his wife's must arrest him. The 'psychology' in the film comes from the interactions of the characters. Even though the General's wife is a depressive maniac, he still cares for her, even to his own worst fortune. Even though the agent sent to arrest the general has a thousand reasons to despise him, in the end he still commits suicide (though his reasons remain fundamentally unknown.) All in all, the story tells a psychological tale of love, confusion, desperation and yearning. The 'psychology' of the film comes from how the watcher interprets the actions and what they mean, fundamentally, to the watcher. [B]Triangle:[/B] This is a relatively recent Sci-Fi horror film that has sincere psychological overtones. When a woman and her friends become trapped in what seems to be an infinite timeloop aboard a mysterious ocean liner with an equally mysterious killer, she reasons that perhaps she can break the loop by murdering their past selves before they fulfill the loop. Naturally she enacts a self-fulfilling prophecy by becoming that killer and realizes the larger part she plays in the damnably infinite loop. The psychology of the film comes from the observation of how people, fundamentally everyday people, react to the principle fact that they have no free will to speak of. [B]Cabin in the Woods:[/B] This [I]comedy[/I] plays off of an array of horror tropes by essentially eskewing them, lampooning them, and playing them straight on. A government agency, in order to pacify eldritch gods, has to see to the brutal horror-film style execution of a group of teenagers once a year. Naturally, they must fit the archetypes of Jock, Bimbo, Nerd, Stoner, and so on. The film comes in to it's own when the people involved realize what's being done to them and try to break out, [I]effectively dooming the entire world along with themselves.[/I] The psychology here is twofold. The first is a reflective laugh at the overt ridiculousness of horror movies and their premises that invites the watcher to consider what a world like that really must be like. The second bit is the question, what [I]is[/I] the value of a human life? Would you damn the whole world just because you'd like not to die (thereby dying with it)? ***Here end spoilers*** By making this... [I]thing[/I] and then refusing to produce any explanation, you are not engaging in any sort of "psychological" film making. You are at best wasting other people's time. You are, at the very least, simply mashing together lights and sounds and getting all giddy over the idea that people are [I]thinking[/I] when they see lights and sounds. Which is absurd. Even the oblique arthouse films that only tour in college Film-Art departments and museums have a point. A black-and-white grain-filtered 30mm film played at half speed of a woman sitting on her bed for half an hour has a [I]point[/I] to it, that is usually explained in a 30 page essay. It might be something like "depression" or "isolation." This? I suppose I was just glad that the knife and the wine got a chance to dance the mambo to some weird electro music, while an angel? descended on an anime girl cuddling a sentient set of abs. (Though more likely, you're trying some weird 'obsession is dangerous!' angle which is neither original, nor clever, and if you're not, then I am sincerely curious as to how you would explain it yourself. If your [I]own[/I] explanation cannot cover every element and part of the film succinctly, then you have explicitly failed in making a meaningful or intelligent piece of 'psychological' film.)
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49446149]So, I want to extend an olive branch to you [B]maxkhson[/B], and try to explain where you went so horribly wrong. In all of the genres of film that the world embrace, the genre of "psychological" films produce some of the most curious objects. They are films that through symbolism, oblique story telling and the use of visuals ranging from obscure to explicit, are design to provoke thought in the watcher without telling the watcher what to think. However, they are designed to provoke the [I]intended[/I] thought. Simply holding up a placard and saying, "thoughts here please," doesn't quite get the ball to the endzone. Unless you can explain the 'message' then no one can even begin to guess whether the film successfully conveyed it or not! Consider some films that I think of as psychological: ***Spoilers for the films Burnt by the Sun, Triangle and Cabin in the Woods*** [B]Burnt By the Sun:[/B] This Russian film is, for the most part, a relatively low key drama set in the age of Stalinist purges. A famous general is fingered as a traitor, and a childhood friend of his wife's must arrest him. The 'psychology' in the film comes from the interactions of the characters. Even though the General's wife is a depressive maniac, he still cares for her, even to his own worst fortune. Even though the agent sent to arrest the general has a thousand reasons to despise him, in the end he still commits suicide (though his reasons remain fundamentally unknown.) All in all, the story tells a psychological tale of love, confusion, desperation and yearning. The 'psychology' of the film comes from how the watcher interprets the actions and what they mean, fundamentally, to the watcher. [B]Triangle:[/B] This is a relatively recent Sci-Fi horror film that has sincere psychological overtones. When a woman and her friends become trapped in what seems to be an infinite timeloop aboard a mysterious ocean liner with an equally mysterious killer, she reasons that perhaps she can break the loop by murdering their past selves before they fulfill the loop. Naturally she enacts a self-fulfilling prophecy by becoming that killer and realizes the larger part she plays in the damnably infinite loop. The psychology of the film comes from the observation of how people, fundamentally everyday people, react to the principle fact that they have no free will to speak of. [B]Cabin in the Woods:[/B] This [I]comedy[/I] plays off of an array of horror tropes by essentially eskewing them, lampooning them, and playing them straight on. A government agency, in order to pacify eldritch gods, has to see to the brutal horror-film style execution of a group of teenagers once a year. Naturally, they must fit the archetypes of Jock, Bimbo, Nerd, Stoner, and so on. The film comes in to it's own when the people involved realize what's being done to them and try to break out, [I]effectively dooming the entire world along with themselves.[/I] The psychology here is twofold. The first is a reflective laugh at the overt ridiculousness of horror movies and their premises that invites the watcher to consider what a world like that really must be like. The second bit is the question, what [I]is[/I] the value of a human life? Would you damn the whole world just because you'd like not to die (thereby dying with it)? ***Here end spoilers*** By making this... [I]thing[/I] and then refusing to produce any explanation, you are not engaging in any sort of "psychological" film making. You are at best wasting other people's time. You are, at the very least, simply mashing together lights and sounds and getting all giddy over the idea that people are [I]thinking[/I] when they see lights and sounds. Which is absurd. Even the oblique arthouse films that only tour in college Film-Art departments and museums have a point. A black-and-white grain-filtered 30mm film played at half speed of a woman sitting on her bed for half an hour has a [I]point[/I] to it, that is usually explained in a 30 page essay. It might be something like "depression" or "isolation." This? I suppose I was just glad that the knife and the wine got a chance to dance the mambo to some weird electro music, while an angel? descended on an anime girl cuddling a sentient set of abs. (Though more likely, you're trying some weird 'obsession is dangerous!' angle which is neither original, nor clever, and if you're not, then I am sincerely curious as to how you would explain it yourself. If your [I]own[/I] explanation cannot cover every element and part of the film succinctly, then you have explicitly failed in making a meaningful or intelligent piece of 'psychological' film.)[/QUOTE] Thank you for this! Well I guess the worst part is that I did word it wrong... I can tell you the story that inspired this. It's not a "obsession is dangerous" thing, although some people have thought it meant that. I'll try to make it as short as possible: It all started with a boy, he found the perfect looking girl in his eyes (angel) and he managed to get really close to her. But she ended up hurting him really bad (knife) which made him a bit more... "reckless" (wine). The reason I chose to make the knife take the wines place at times is because alcohol ended up hurting him just as much, but in another way. The end scene is to symbolize that he had her but lost her/let go of her. And yes, the story is true and personal. But that is what it actually means. A few have come with really close theories aswell. Hope that clears some things out I must admit that it was stupid of me to ask for critique without actually explaining it. But I was up at around 3 in the morning making this post
You should really be thinking about using the minimum amount of visual cues to tell your story. Even after you explained it, it makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't follow. If it all started with a boy who fell in love with a girl then show that in your opening shot. Then cut to them sleeping together as that symbolises that he got close to her. She needs motivation to hurt him. He needs to be shown hurt/drinking the wine or something. Every shot has to move the story forward. What you did here was show us a girl, a boy, a knife and a glass of wine and asked us to figure it out. I'm sorry but there just isn't anything to figure out it makes as much sense as random GMOD videos.
[QUOTE=Buck.;49447041]You should really be thinking about using the minimum amount of visual cues to tell your story. Even after you explained it, it makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't follow. If it all started with a boy who fell in love with a girl then show that in your opening shot. Then cut to them sleeping together as that symbolises that he got close to her. She needs motivation to hurt him. He needs to be shown hurt/drinking the wine or something. Every shot has to move the story forward. What you did here was show us a girl, a boy, a knife and a glass of wine and asked us to figure it out. I'm sorry but there just isn't anything to figure out it makes as much sense as random GMOD videos.[/QUOTE] That was my way of showing it anyway. To some it might not make sense but to others it does. It made sense to me and some other artists that I talked to for example. I expressed it in that way, I wanted it a bit more vague. I didn't want to show it directly like you said But I see where you are coming from and what I did will not connect with everyone in the same way
[QUOTE=maxkhson;49446766]the story is true and personal[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/Dnu2nAS.png[/img] :pudge:
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;49447270][img]http://i.imgur.com/Dnu2nAS.png[/img] :pudge:[/QUOTE] Bruh that was not what I meant
Dude that was just bad. Its so arty fartsy that it doesn't even make sense. Nothing actually comes together at all. It just looks like a bunch of random scenes thrown together. And the title makes it even more confusing. And, not to be rude, but your explanation for what it's based off is so abysmal I actually laughed. The animation, cinematography, and lighting are all really good but you can't do this "artisitc make up your own theory" shit. It's garbage. That genre has always been garbage.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49447342]Dude that was just bad. Its so arty fartsy that it doesn't even make sense. Nothing actually comes together at all. It just looks like a bunch of random scenes thrown together. And the title makes it even more confusing. And, not to be rude, but your explanation for what it's based off is so abysmal I actually laughed. The animation, cinematography, and lighting are all really good but you can't do this "artisitc make up your own theory" shit. It's garbage. That genre has always been garbage.[/QUOTE] Thanks! Nothing rude about it, just honesty. Atleast my animating, cinematography, and lightning improved from my last one. Well I've been watching a bunch of these kinds of videos where it doesn't really make much sense until you analyze it. But sometimes the transition from my mind to movie doesn't turn out as well as I'd hoped. It is my first time trying something like this after all. I am currently animating something new and it's not the same genre. But I will take everything that has been said here and carefully think about it though
I was mostly concentrating on thinking if the music was the Harlem Shake (slowed down) or not.
Well...I liked the camera movement, I guess? I'm gonna agree with what Crazy Ivan said. You say the video is conveying a message, and with 1 minute and 40 seconds, I have no clue on what that message was. Just a bunch of images of the wine, knife, "angel", and DoA chick with abs in weird camera angles(why aren't there any good female models in SFM honestly). There has to be something to cling to, like a bit more dialogue or more character movement. The music, like what most people said, is a weird choice. Take We are the Souls for instance. A similar video(correct me if I'm wrong) based on Dark Souls, but it's longer to convey the message, and the imagery and music helps clearly support it. [video=youtube;4DGe4RtPmWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DGe4RtPmWw[/video]
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;49448511]Well...I liked the camera movement, I guess? I'm gonna agree with what Crazy Ivan said. You say the video is conveying a message, and with 1 minute and 40 seconds, I have no clue on what that message was. Just a bunch of images of the wine, knife, "angel", and DoA chick with abs in weird camera angles(why aren't there any good female models in SFM honestly). There has to be something to cling to, like a bit more dialogue or more character movement. The music, like what most people said, is a weird choice. Take We are the Souls for instance. A similar video(correct me if I'm wrong) based on Dark Souls, but it's longer to convey the message, and the imagery and music helps clearly support it. [video=youtube;4DGe4RtPmWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DGe4RtPmWw[/video][/QUOTE] Well I like the music myself. Didn't think of Harlem shake at the time. But the music and the video is inspired by KrasniyB [video=youtube;HP6HARdl9C0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP6HARdl9C0[/video]
pretentious art schlock
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;49448511]Well...I liked the camera movement, I guess? I'm gonna agree with what Crazy Ivan said. You say the video is conveying a message, and with 1 minute and 40 seconds, I have no clue on what that message was. Just a bunch of images of the wine, knife, "angel", and DoA chick with abs in weird camera angles(why aren't there any good female models in SFM honestly). There has to be something to cling to, like a bit more dialogue or more character movement. The music, like what most people said, is a weird choice. Take We are the Souls for instance. A similar video(correct me if I'm wrong) based on Dark Souls, but it's longer to convey the message, and the imagery and music helps clearly support it. [video=youtube;4DGe4RtPmWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DGe4RtPmWw[/video][/QUOTE] It also has actual animation in it.
This reminds me of a sfm I can't remember the name of. It was about femscout and sniper being in a relationship, and then suddenly red lights and noisy trap while femscout had an eyeball in her mouth. I really liked the bass bosted trap part, but the video itself reminded me of [video=youtube;iTY5EKN6bzM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTY5EKN6bzM[/video]
You have to realize a community like facepunch is fairly shallow when it comes to interpretive things and needs everything to be direct and make logical sense or they dislike it. What I'm saying is take our opinion with a grain of salt. They can disagree all they want, I've been here since 2005. I know this place.
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