[QUOTE=MightyMax;38465359]Yuuup. I can walk through the isle and stuff some shells in my pockets. I didn't mention it, but it's the shotgun shells and .32 and below rounds that are just chilling on shelves.
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the rest are behind that glass casing, and even then all that takes is just asking one of the inept employees to open it for you and you can take as much as you want.[/QUOTE]
lucky you, at my walmart you can only buy 2 boxes of the same type of ammo, they won't let you buy anymore than that. (EX: I can only buy 2 boxes of wolf .223, but I can buy 2 more boxes of .223 as long as its a different brand) No clue why they do this.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38465989]lucky you, at my walmart you can only buy 2 boxes of the same type of ammo, they won't let you buy anymore than that. (EX: I can only buy 2 boxes of wolf .223, but I can buy 2 more boxes of .223 as long as its a different brand) [b]No clue why they do this.[/b][/QUOTE]
Because they make $7/hr
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[QUOTE=ewitwins;38465964]Lucky bastards, what with your disposable income and whatnot :v:[/QUOTE]
For about everything in that picture I had to move funds out of the savings account I have, which is just the money from my car accident claim. :p
Someone suggested a Glock earlier in the thread, and I did some poking around. Thinking about the Glock 19 Gen4, been poking around and the price seems alright and it's 9x19. Anyone here have experience with this particular model that would be willing to share any details?
[QUOTE=PistolKid;38466873]Someone suggested a Glock earlier in the thread, and I did some poking around. Thinking about the Glock 19 Gen4, been poking around and the price seems alright and it's 9x19. Anyone here have experience with this particular model that would be willing to share any details?[/QUOTE]
Glock 19 is a fantastic pistol. I loved mine, only got rid of it because I liked some design aspects of the Sig better. I'd recommend the Gen3, though. It's going to be a bit cheaper, and the G4 has had a few issues that disable the gun.
[url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1GLK19NGEN3&name=New+Glock+19+9mm+Handgun+Gen+3&groupid=665[/url]
There are some advantages to Gen 3 vs Gen 4, both have their irks and differences. The Gen 3 would be better suited if you have no need for the adjustable back-straps on the Glocks, and you find comfort in the proven reliability. The Gen 4 has gotten some smack about reliability issues (as Ridge stated) and then price. It's a little more costly then the Gen 3. That being said, the Gen 4 has a completely new recoil spring system, utilizing the dual spring system, versus the earlier models single spring. The Gen 4 also has a slimmer handle, comparable to the SF glock models (Slim Frame.) Personally I don't have a huge hand so I prefer my Gen 4 17's ergonomics over the other generations. The Gen 4 also has a different texture on the grip, I quite like it but that's not the case for everyone.
My suggestion? Go to the store, handle each if you can. Gen 3 and Gen 4. Ergonomics are different, springs are different, many differences. The Gen 4 might make a better range gun, due to the issues with reliability (Although, contrary to that, I don't think my Gen 4 has ever failed at any point, so that's rather convincing I suppose.) Then reserve the Gen 3 as a carry gun, if you were to carry. This might be a good option.
Your call, they have many differences, regardless both nice guns.
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I still prefer the 92fs over any glock though sorry. :v
I tried to buy pistol ammo for my Sub 2000 the other day.
The gay hipster managing the desk said nope, even though it's legal for me to get it for a rifle.
So what did I do? I told him I needed every box of .270, 7.62x39mm, and .223, which makes up the majority of our cabinet. This guy in particular is the overly cautious type who doesn't let the customer hold ammo until it's paid for, so he had to carry 3 or so boxes at a time to the cash register.
I got to the cash register. Tab ran up to about 250-300 bucks or something.
I said, "Sorry, I forgot.. I can't buy ammo until I'm 21".
Walked off.
He had to load and reorganize every box back into cabinet.
Spaghetti fell from his enraged walmart vest pockets.
Still not as funny as the looks I get from soccer moms who stroll through the air soft isle looking for paintball stuff for little jimmy for christmas and I am buying ammo. I swear, this one bitch gave me a glare that could drive any man mad, followed by her dragging her child away with a huff.
Then we had the typical negro gang walk in, about 5 of them with white T's dropped below their waist. I was buying 7.62x39mm for the AMD-65 and they asked a worker if they could get, "Some dat foty-fibe in hollow tip rand". He gave them a box of 20, and they said, "man we only need like three rounds, can we just buy 3 rounds?" I looked at them with the shittiest facial expression ever, and swung my jacket back so my glock 19 was in even plainer sight. They all started fidgeting and took the box of 20 and fucked off.
Looking back at the type of people and what they were asking for, I think they may have been planning on killing someone.
What's a good home-defense 12ga round? I was thinking like 3" buck, but now it seems a bit much. What do you guys recommend?
[QUOTE=cardfan212;38468826]What's a good home-defense 12ga round? I was thinking like 3" buck, but now it seems a bit much. What do you guys recommend?[/QUOTE]
imho, any 12 gauge is a good round for defense. If you get hit with birdshot, or target load, or anything, you're still going to go down.
3 inch magnum buck is good to keep at your side. Since it's for self defense, you only really need a box of 10 or whatever that you get from wally world.
I usually keep a round of 12 gauge magnum buckshot in my mossberg, followed by a slug so if I need distance, I'll have it. Then all of the shells after that are birdshot.
[QUOTE=stupidass;38468734]I tried to buy pistol ammo for my Sub 2000 the other day.
The gay hipster managing the desk said nope, even though it's legal for me to get it for a rifle.
So what did I do? I told him I needed every box of .270, 7.62x39mm, and .223, which makes up the majority of our cabinet. This guy in particular is the overly cautious type who doesn't let the customer hold ammo until it's paid for, so he had to carry 3 or so boxes at a time to the cash register.
I got to the cash register. Tab ran up to about 250-300 bucks or something.
I said, "Sorry, I forgot.. I can't buy ammo until I'm 21".
Walked off.
He had to load and reorganize every box back into cabinet.
Spaghetti fell from his enraged walmart vest pockets.
Still not as funny as the looks I get from soccer moms who stroll through the air soft isle looking for paintball stuff for little jimmy for christmas and I am buying ammo. I swear, this one bitch gave me a glare that could drive any man mad, followed by her dragging her child away with a huff.
Then we had the typical negro gang walk in, about 5 of them with white T's dropped below their waist. I was buying 7.62x39mm for the AMD-65 and they asked a worker if they could get, "Some dat foty-fibe in hollow tip rand". He gave them a box of 20, and they said, "man we only need like three rounds, can we just buy 3 rounds?" I looked at them with the shittiest facial expression ever, and swung my jacket back so my glock 19 was in even plainer sight. They all started fidgeting and took the box of 20 and fucked off.
Looking back at the type of people and what they were asking for, I think they may have been planning on killing someone.[/QUOTE]
Why would the teller not be immediately be suspicious of someone wanting to just purchase three rounds?
Also that is a fantastic come-back :v:
[QUOTE=stupidass;38468734]
I said, "Sorry, I forgot.. I can't buy ammo until I'm 21".
Then we had the typical negro gang walk in, about 5 of them with white T's dropped below their waist. I was buying 7.62x39mm for the AMD-65 and they asked a worker if they could get, "Some dat foty-fibe in hollow tip rand". He gave them a box of 20, and they said, "man we only need like three rounds, can we just buy 3 rounds?" I looked at them with the shittiest facial expression ever, and swung my jacket back so my glock 19 was in even plainer sight. They all started fidgeting and took the box of 20 and fucked off.
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dont you have to be 21 for for a CC permit?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38469107]dont you have to be 21 for for a CC permit?[/QUOTE]
I think that was open carry there.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38469107]dont you have to be 21 for for a CC permit?[/QUOTE]
I think you only have to be 18. I got mine when I was 19.
Might depend on state though.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38469107]dont you have to be 21 for for a CC permit?[/QUOTE]
I was OC'ing. It's just the rim of my jacket was slightly covering the grip. It was plainly visible, just not from the angle they were standing at beside me.
Here in Virginia, you can own and open carry a pistol at 18. We can't buy pistols from FFLs, but we can buy from friends and family members legally with proof of purchase and whatnot.
legal straw purchase?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;37761435]Might as well just hold the bullet and hit the primer with a hammer at that point :v:
I think it's mainly because the mechanisms for many pistols involve the whole length of the slide, and would require making an entirely new one, or at least more in-depth modification than simply cutting down the barrel.[/QUOTE]
you can still bull-pup a pistol.
but, the thought of obrezing a pistol... Isn't that just saying you're making a pistol into a pistol?
[QUOTE=JLock17;38469322]you can still bull-pup a pistol.
but, the thought of obrezing a pistol... Isn't that just saying you're making a pistol into a pistol?[/QUOTE]
How do you bull-pup a pistol?
I'm just curious since there's kind of not any room to do that.
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Well, unless it was a fucking C96.
So, uh, yeah I can't decide between building an AR-15 from the ground up for ~1000 with a bunch of accessories/ammo/mags/gimmicks or buying an M1 Carbine with mags/ammo/strip clips/sling/gimmicks. Thoughts?
M1 Carbine all the way.
Besides, M1 Carbines are already becoming scarce. ARs will be around forever
yeah ive realized if i sell my RPK i could have the money to get an M1 carbine with money left over to buy ammo as opposed to selling it and then getting like $100 more to get the PTR 91 then i would need more money to buy a ton of .308
theres so many guns i want, so little money :(
[QUOTE=Garb;38468209]There are some advantages to Gen 3 vs Gen 4, both have their irks and differences. The Gen 3 would be better suited if you have no need for the adjustable back-straps on the Glocks, and you find comfort in the proven reliability. The Gen 4 has gotten some smack about reliability issues (as Ridge stated) and then price. It's a little more costly then the Gen 3. That being said, the Gen 4 has a completely new recoil spring system, utilizing the dual spring system, versus the earlier models single spring. The Gen 4 also has a slimmer handle, comparable to the SF glock models (Slim Frame.) Personally I don't have a huge hand so I prefer my Gen 4 17's ergonomics over the other generations. The Gen 4 also has a different texture on the grip, I quite like it but that's not the case for everyone.
My suggestion? Go to the store, handle each if you can. Gen 3 and Gen 4. Ergonomics are different, springs are different, many differences. The Gen 4 might make a better range gun, due to the issues with reliability (Although, contrary to that, I don't think my Gen 4 has ever failed at any point, so that's rather convincing I suppose.) Then reserve the Gen 3 as a carry gun, if you were to carry. This might be a good option.
Your call, they have many differences, regardless both nice guns.
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I still prefer the 92fs over any glock though sorry. :v[/QUOTE]
Awesome to know, thanks a ton!
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38469561]yeah ive realized if i sell my RPK i could have the money to get an M1 carbine with money left over to buy ammo as opposed to selling it and then getting like $100 more to get the PTR 91 then i would need more money to buy a ton of .308
theres so many guns i want, so little money :([/QUOTE]
Such is life :(
[QUOTE=/Vandy/;38469519]So, uh, yeah I can't decide between building an AR-15 from the ground up for ~1000 with a bunch of accessories/ammo/mags/gimmicks or buying an M1 Carbine with mags/ammo/strip clips/sling/gimmicks. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
The M1 carbine is classy as fuck, but ammo is hard to come by and somewhat expensive. The AR can be tacticool, and .223 is widely available.
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/IMAG0104.jpg[/IMG]
ridge you're the leading expert on m1 carbines here. ive kinda decided i want an m1 over a ptr 91 for now (or not! who knows)
how much would an average one go for thats a USGI one?
Gonna be adding a scope mount and high eye relief scope onto my Mosin. By the time i'm done I'll have myself a nice scout rifle for exterminating Hogs down here in Central Texas.
because i checked gunbroker just to get an idea and im seeing them for like $600-900 and thats way more than i thought
[QUOTE=Griffster26;38469069][video=youtube;hFo08L1xRec]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFo08L1xRec&feature=em-uploademail[/video][/QUOTE]
I actually got that for christmas last year!
I barely get to shoot it though because it's illegal to shoot when you're not at a range in my town
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38470020]because i checked gunbroker just to get an idea and im seeing them for like $600-900 and thats way more than i thought[/QUOTE]
That is pretty much the price range for Korean or later build M1 carbine.
Best quality makers:
Inland Division (General Motors)
Winchester
Underwood
Rock-Ola
Quality HMC
Irwin-Pederson
National Postal Meter
IBM (the one and only)
Mid level quality:
Auto Ordnance
Plainfield Machine
Springfield Armory
Low level:
Universal
When looking at a carbine to buy, you want to check the barrel, the muzzle wear, the bolt and the trigger assembly. Also make sure that the lug that screws into the wood stock at the rear of the receiver is tight (mine is a bit loose, like it's kinda stripped out).
Real deal WW2 carbines will have just a fixed aperture on the rear of the receiver, and will not have a bayonet lug. Korean and later will have a rear sight adjustable for windage and elevation, and will probably have a bayonet lug on it.
Make sure the magazine(s) are in good condition, and compress/extend fully. They will not lock the bolt back on last round, but the Korean made ones do. The curve on the follower will be flat on the rear if it does that. But once you remove the mag, the bolt will slam forward unless you pull it back the rest of the way and depress the pin in the charging handle.
thats really useful to know thanks dude.
god i love my rpk but theres so many other guns i want. what would you guys say?
I know a local guy selling a Universal for ~$450 plus some ammo and spent brass (reloading is really the only way to keep a stock of ammunition for a decent price. Couldn't tell you cost per round just yet, though). If you're interested, I could ask if he is willing to ship.
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[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38470250]thats really useful to know thanks dude.
god i love my rpk but theres so many other guns i want. what would you guys say?[/QUOTE]
It's about what you'll get the biggest bang out of.
The RPK you already have, and ammo is plentiful and cheap as fuck.
The PTR is a fantastic gun, but you would have to scrounge cash as well as selling the RPK, and ammo is expensive. I don't even see 50 cents a round ammo anymore.
The M1 carbine is a gorgeous gun, ammo is cheaper than .308, but a little hard to come across.
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