Firearms VII- Obrez's at Dawn

[Black Milano]

[QUOTE=download;39064519]Oh for fucks sake

[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4721772/Sandy-Hook-shooting-weapons-on-sale-legally-in-the-UK.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Ignorance is our worst enemy.

[Protocol7]

And that Sun article is exactly what I mean when I say people are gun-uneducated, because man, it shows.

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39048199]No opinions on this?[/QUOTE]

I can comment on the Scope. The reticles are very specific, and being that it is a variable, the distances will change for each zoom setting. The settings that Leupold give is only for the max power setting of 9. You are also correct in that the ranges will be different if you zero at 100. They won't just go 200, 300, 400. If you want an idea of how ballistic reticles work, check out Nikon's Spot-On software: [url]http://www.nikonhunting.com/SpotOnRegistration/[/url]. This is only for Nikon's BDC, but the basic premise is the same for all long range reticles.

Personally, if it is going to be for hunting, I recommend two things. First and foremost, GO WITH A FIXED POWER. Despite what people think, you don't need a zoom function on a scope. A fixed 4x scope is good all the way to 400 yards, a 6x is good out to 600 yards easily, and both are excellent for close range shooting. I run a Leupold FX-3 6x42 with Heavy Duplex on my .270 WSM. I'm under 1 MOA at 100 yards all day long with this gun, and couldn't be happier with the Scope.

Now, as far as a reticle is concerned, if you are looking to go from 100-500 yards, go with a regular duplex. The duplex reticle is actually a long range reticle, and can be used easily to range targets. The first thing I usually tell people when they ask about reticles is to go out and learn how to use the duplex for distancing. Nine times out of ten, people find it is sufficient for them once they have learned how to use it. If you are going out to 800-1000 yards, a Mil-Dot would probably be easier though.

[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=download;39064519]Oh for fucks sake

[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4721772/Sandy-Hook-shooting-weapons-on-sale-legally-in-the-UK.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm I the only one who noticed the pig on the full-size carbine in this article?

Also, it's the UK, so why is anyone surprised? No offense to our neighbors across the pond, but your general populous is completely ignorant when it comes to firearms.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=raccoon2112;39062988]Unless your M1A somehow shoots like shit, why don't you just keep it?[/QUOTE]

It shot like a dream, but the only out door range that has targets at over 25 yards closed down, and .308 is a bit expensive to plink with at 25 yard targets. Plus, I wanted a handgun, and easiest way to get one if you're under 21 is through a gunshow.

[Cobbart]

[QUOTE=download;39064519]Oh for fucks sake

[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4721772/Sandy-Hook-shooting-weapons-on-sale-legally-in-the-UK.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I saw this in today's newspaper in a cafe and I [i]tried[/i] to read it.

Just...damn...

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=download;39064519]Oh for fucks sake

[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4721772/Sandy-Hook-shooting-weapons-on-sale-legally-in-the-UK.html[/url][/QUOTE]

[quote]The GCN website notes: “The lone mass murderer is almost always a man who loves guns and acquired them legally.”[/quote]
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[Mr. Foster]

So, I'm thinking my baby killer needs one of these: [url]http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark-4-MRT-30mm-Riflescope-P45044.aspx[/url]

Problem is deciding what to do with my irons. Front is fixed, and my rear is an LMT fixed. Should I get a flip-up gas block, or flat-top gas block? Going to need a new rear too. Also, I'm not fond of the Magpul flip-ups at all.

Opinions?

EDIT: Dammit, I'm running some numbers, and it looks like I'm going to be spending another ass load of money.

Scope - $1100
Mount - $100-200
Front Sight - $200~
Rear Sight - $100~
Bipod - $75-100

They don't need to ban guns because they kill people, they need to ban them because they run their owners dry on money!

[Trunk Monkay]

I'd wait a few months before you pick any of that up, because it's probably inflated as hell right now, wait for the prices to go down before you spend half your lifes savings.

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39067016]I'd wait a few months before you pick any of that up, because it's probably inflated as hell right now, wait for the prices to go down before you spend half your lifes savings.[/QUOTE]

None of it's inflated, and it's all in stock right now. Ironically, sights and mounts will remain largely untouched by any ban. Either way, the scope is the main piece I will have to wait on. I'm thinking it may come during tax return season. The rest of the stuff I will need before hand anyway.

[arcticdrinker]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39067016]I'd wait a few months before you pick any of that up, because it's probably inflated as hell right now, wait for the prices to go down before you spend half your lifes savings.[/QUOTE]

seriously i get so pissed seeing wasrs going for $1000, at this rate ill never get my 74

[Campin Carl]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39066746].............................................................[/QUOTE]

But Breivik was a youth politician! Ban politics! :v:

[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]

To all you americans complaining about super-inflated prices:

An AR-15 costs 6000$ in Norway. (3000$ if used)
And a Ruger mini-14 costs costs close to 2000$ new.
An original k98 goes for 400$ :v:
SKS? Isn't legal.
Nuggets? Nobody sells them.
Kimber 1911? 4000$
A new console game? 100$
Gasoline? Almost 3$....PER LITER (which is in americanese = roughly 14$ per gallon)

[Protocol7]

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;39067315]But Breivik was a youth politician! Ban politics! :v:

[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]

To all you americans complaining about super-inflated prices:

An AR-15 costs 6000$ in Norway. (3000$ if used)
And a Ruger mini-14 costs costs close to 2000$ new.
An original k98 goes for 400$ :v:
SKS? Isn't legal.
Nuggets? Nobody sells them.
Kimber 1911? 4000$
A new console game? 100$
Gasoline? Almost 3$....PER LITER (which is in americanese = roughly 14$ per gallon)[/QUOTE]

As much as it sucks for you, Americans don't live in Norway, so...

[kman866]

[QUOTE=download;39064519]Oh for fucks sake

[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4721772/Sandy-Hook-shooting-weapons-on-sale-legally-in-the-UK.html[/url][/QUOTE]

The scope in the first picture is backwards..

[Campin Carl]

[QUOTE=Protocol7;39067414]As much as it sucks for you, Americans don't live in Norway, so...[/QUOTE]

I still haven't mentioned how we have no next to no regulations on silencers, but every firearm bought must be applied for, and that costs about 90$ PER gun :v:

[Download]

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;39067315]But Breivik was a youth politician! Ban politics! :v:

[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]

To all you americans complaining about super-inflated prices:

An AR-15 costs 6000$ in Norway. (3000$ if used)
And a Ruger mini-14 costs costs close to 2000$ new.
An original k98 goes for 400$ :v:
SKS? Isn't legal.
Nuggets? Nobody sells them.
Kimber 1911? 4000$
A new console game? 100$
Gasoline? Almost 3$....PER LITER (which is in americanese = roughly 14$ per gallon)[/QUOTE]

Assuming you have a licence for one (which most people don't) a company is now making Ar15s in Australia because importing them is illegal. They only $8700 though!

An FN FAL is about $6000.

SKS or SKK is about $1200

Nuggets are about $350

Surplus nugget ammo is about 50-60c a pop

and petrol is $1.50 a litre or $6 a gallon

[editline]3rd January 2013[/editline]

I have to say, this is impressive:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j84J7VQ02CQ[/media]

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=kman866;39067415]The scope in the first picture is backwards..[/QUOTE]

[img]http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/something_awful_2_6634_2842_image_3468.gif[/img]

:suicide:

[arcticdrinker]

[QUOTE=download;39067507]Assuming you have a licence for one (which most people don't) a company is now making Ar15s in Australia because importing them is illegal. They only $8700 though!

An FN FAL is about $6000.

SKS or SKK is about $1200

Nuggets are about $350

Surplus nugget ammo is about 50-60c a pop

and petrol is $1.50 a litre or $6 a gallon

[editline]3rd January 2013[/editline]

I have to say, this is impressive:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j84J7VQ02CQ[/media][/QUOTE]

i thought semi autos were banned in the land down under?

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;39067471]I still haven't mentioned how we have no next to no regulations on silencers, but every firearm bought must be applied for, and that costs about 90$ PER gun :v:[/QUOTE]

That's because the places that do have restrictions on suppressors have genuinely ignorant Governments. They are considered NFA items in America, and I think that is one of the silliest things to be considered NFA. Suppressors are not going to conceal the sound of anything more than a .22LR. The purpose of a suppressor is to bring noise levels down enough to not damage unprotected hearing. This still means it is going to be loud as hell, your ears will just not ring. I've shot many types of firearms with suppressors, and outside of a .22LR, you can hear them all coming from a long way off. Even a .22LR though, you can still hear the shot within 200 yards, if not more.

BTW, calling a suppressor a silencer is just as bad as calling a magazine a clip.

[Download]

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;39067948]i thought semi autos were banned in the land down under?[/QUOTE]

They're not banned, just heavily restricted. Normal shooters can't get them.

Farmers can get semi-shotguns and semi-.22s

Clay shooters with a physical disability signed off by a doctor can get semi-shotguns

Professional pest cullers (the guys who fly around in helicopters) can have semi-centrefire rifles

If you live in the Northern Territory and have a large farm (like more than 100k acres) you can also get semi-centrefires

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39067995]That's because the places that do have restrictions on suppressors have genuinely ignorant Governments. They are considered NFA items in America, and I think that is one of the silliest things to be considered NFA. Suppressors are not going to conceal the sound of anything more than a .22LR. The purpose of a suppressor is to bring noise levels down enough to not damage unprotected hearing. This still means it is going to be loud as hell, your ears will just not ring. I've shot many types of firearms with suppressors, and outside of a .22LR, you can hear them all coming from a long way off. Even a .22LR though, you can still hear the shot within 200 yards, if not more.

BTW, calling a suppressor a silencer is just as bad as calling a magazine a clip.[/QUOTE]
They're restricted because of issues with poaching. I don't really know if poaching is a relevant issue in the US anymore, but I think suppressors should be easier to get if they want to keep them restricted.

[Download]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39068075]They're restricted because of issues with poaching. I don't really know if poaching is a relevant issue in the US anymore, but I think suppressors should be easier to get if they want to keep them restricted.[/QUOTE]

Bit odd. In the 30s the only usable suppressors had consumable baffles. The only lasted a few dozen rounds before failing so they weren't very popular with the public and went unnoticed until the OSS picked them up. Bit odd they got included in the NFA

[beanhead]

[QUOTE=download;39068007]

Professional pest cullers (the guys who fly around in helicopters) can have semi-centrefire rifles
[/QUOTE]
that seems fun, shame its almost the only way to get them

[Download]

[QUOTE=beanhead;39068350]that seems fun, shame its almost the only way to get them[/QUOTE]

Yep.

Understandably, it's very hard to get into the business

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39068075]They're restricted because of issues with poaching. I don't really know if poaching is a relevant issue in the US anymore, but I think suppressors should be easier to get if they want to keep them restricted.[/QUOTE]

Poaching is still very much prevalent in the U.S., more so than ever, but that still does not change the fact about it being a silly restriction.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39068465]Poaching is still very much prevalent in the U.S., more so than ever, but that still does not change the fact about it being a silly restriction.[/QUOTE]

I don't agree with it at all either. I personally would like to get some sort of suppressor for my mosin M44, so I can take it to an indoor range without pissing people off.

[Mr. Foster]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39068506]I don't agree with it at all either. I personally would like to get some sort of suppressor for my mosin M44, so I can take it to an indoor range without pissing people off.[/QUOTE]

HAH! I wish I could record the sound from our indoor rifle range. It's only two 25-yard lanes, both lanes together are 8 feet wide, with 9 feet ceilings. The only opening is at the end by the backstop. It's a three foot wide opening on the left from the ceiling to the floor, and ALL the noise funnels out of that opening into the pistol range. People hate when we go up there with a ported .300 win mag.

[⃝⃞⃟]

[QUOTE=Ridge;39062820]Want to laugh/cry?

[url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-068[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-242[/url]

Holy shit good job tripling the price there cheaper then dipshit.

[arcticdrinker]

and now all the emails stopped

i need my guns email me back assholes

[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]

i need to get off armslist

[Campin Carl]

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39067995]That's because the places that do have restrictions on suppressors have genuinely ignorant Governments. They are considered NFA items in America, and I think that is one of the silliest things to be considered NFA. Suppressors are not going to conceal the sound of anything more than a .22LR. The purpose of a suppressor is to bring noise levels down enough to not damage unprotected hearing. This still means it is going to be loud as hell, your ears will just not ring. I've shot many types of firearms with suppressors, and outside of a .22LR, you can hear them all coming from a long way off. Even a .22LR though, you can still hear the shot within 200 yards, if not more.

BTW, calling a suppressor a silencer is just as bad as calling a magazine a clip.[/QUOTE]
I can call them suppressors, but I use both terms loosely :v: Around tehse parts, it's mostly hunters that use "suppressors" But then again, my teacher had this finnish made "suppressor" that didn't do diddly squat other than reduce noise, it even enhanced the muzzleflash and recoil somehow :v:
This reminds me that I need to draw up a "suppressor" for my .357

[Kalamadea]

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39068539]HAH! I wish I could record the sound from our indoor rifle range. It's only two 25-yard lanes, both lanes together are 8 feet wide, with 9 feet ceilings. The only opening is at the end by the backstop. It's a three foot wide opening on the left from the ceiling to the floor, and ALL the noise funnels out of that opening into the pistol range. People hate when we go up there with a ported .300 win mag.[/QUOTE]

I hate Precision's range. I really prefer Baker's.