Sounds like a gimmick to me, but I'll have to talk to my gunsmith about it.
Now here's the hardest part of this whole thing- finding a one mile (+) range. I live in North Georgia, and there's not much of that with so many hills. I do have a 7-800 yard flat pasture though.
In Australia, we have the space, but the fucking firearms branch of the police won't approve any long ranges, and they won't approve them for "dangerous" (as in big, they call 338 Lapua big) calibres. There might be one or two 1600m range in the whole country. There is a 1000m range only an hours drive from me though, and I'm sure I could find a farmer with a big property
338 isn't big enough for me if I was in Australia... I'd need more for those spiders I hear you guys have.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;37951914]What do you guys think of Bore Snakes? I have one for my .410 and my dad got one for his .30-30 lever action rifle.
[img]http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/art/boresnake/boresnake3.jpg[/img]
I use it on my .410 and it seems to clean it well without any harm. Though it's hard to pull through because of my tapered barrel.[/QUOTE]
I use a bore snake with my Nugget. Love it. My uncle also has one for his 12ga SxS, and he has similar feelings.
god australia sucks
[QUOTE=Neat!;37953984]god australia sucks[/QUOTE]
A lot of things here are nice, except the "hurr banning things will fix the problem" mentality.
"Young" drivers can't have V8s or Turbocharged V6s because they supposedly kill people, you get fined for crossing the road at the wrong point, they ban various guns on a whim, the police refuse to approve certain firearms despite no laws against owning them (those big dangerous calibres!), they refuse to approve many new ranges, I could go on..
[QUOTE=download;37954098]A lot of things here are nice, except the "hurr banning things will fix the problem" mentality.
"Young" drivers can't have V8s or Turbocharged V6s because they supposedly kill people, you get fined for crossing the road at the wrong point, they ban various guns on a whim, the police refuse to approve certain firearms despite no laws against owning them (those big dangerous calibres!), they refuse to approve many new ranges, I could go on..[/QUOTE]
america is starting to look p good now
If Australia would allow me to bring all my firearms over there if I moved, I'd be over there in a heartbeat.
I guess we'll all just have to learn German and move to Switzerland :v:
I already know basic German so I'm good.
[QUOTE=Neat!;37954124]america is starting to look p good now[/QUOTE]
Except the fucked up healthcare system, crazy religious fundamentalists, The Republicans, The Democrats, the ATF, trigger happy police, too many people, corporate corruption, etc...
I'm fine with living here, but dammit ATF, why do you guys have to make things so difficult? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=download;37954098]A lot of things here are nice, except the "hurr banning things will fix the problem" mentality.
"Young" drivers can't have V8s or Turbocharged V6s because they supposedly kill people, you get fined for crossing the road at the wrong point, they ban various guns on a whim, the police refuse to approve certain firearms despite no laws against owning them (those big dangerous calibres!), they refuse to approve many new ranges, I could go on..[/QUOTE]
Damn, we don't have the restrictions on cars and shit (at least, not in law, but insurance fees will keep those kinds of cars out of kids' hands), but the other shit happens here too; random banning, a huge anti-gun culture, disgusting media bias, ranges being shut down arbitrarily (this is actually usually done by a municipal board rather than the CFO, because some shits move in next to a range and start bitching about the noise, "city folk" ruining the fun...), and the RCMP do everything in their power to refuse to let new guns into the country, or delay their entering as long as possible. Somehow, they've even managed to arbitrarily re-classify a gun they've already let in, leading to its confiscation.
Isn't that what happened to the Street Sweeper and the USAS12?
[QUOTE=download;37954327]Except the fucked up healthcare system, crazy religious fundamentalists, The Republicans, The Democrats, the ATF, trigger happy police, too many people, corporate corruption, etc...[/QUOTE]
[url=http://z0r.de/678]mfw you remind me what america really is[/url]
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I'm unsure of how to feel about this stock.
[QUOTE=download;37954435]Isn't that what happened to the Street Sweeper and the USAS12?[/QUOTE]
No, those were both banned by name in 1995 by an Order in Council of the government (Order in Councils don't get voted on, the government just makes up a rule and says it's law. The Firearms Act actually allows them to do that in regards to guns, it's undemocratic bullshit. They were going to do that to ban semi-autos, but thankfully got voted out before they could).
Oh yea, also:
Supposedly during the 2003 handgun buyback, some people high up in the SSAA (our version of the NRA, but less nutty) conspired with the Howard government. Supposedly they were Olympic style (as in .22lr handguns, stand in a line, shoot one handed at 10m targets) handgun shooters and they worked with the government to "sacrifice" other handgun sports to protect their own, fearing an all out UK style handgun ban
It's a rumour that pops up now and again, no clue if it's true.
Supposedly this happened again with the large calibre restrictions, which I should point out, were not legislated, the police just decided to do it. Fearing an all out centre-fire rifle ban or a "everything over 30 cal is bad" ban, they helped the police pick and choose the calibres..
Anyway, I'm ranting again, suspect you guys don't want to hear this :v:
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37954515]No, those were both banned by name in 1995 by an Order in Council of the government (Order in Councils don't get voted on, the government just makes up a rule and says it's law. The Firearms Act actually allows them to do that in regards to guns, it's undemocratic bullshit. They were going to do that to ban semi-autos, but thankfully got voted out before they could).[/QUOTE]
then why are saiga-12s not destructive devices?
Saiga 12s came about in 2001 I think...
[QUOTE=Neat!;37954587]then why are saiga-12s not destructive devices?[/QUOTE]
They're banned too, as a variant of the AK-47, due to their gas mechanism. There's no such thing as a "destructive device" here, just a restricted, non-restricted, or prohibited one.
Fun fact, it's technically easier to get a PTRS-41 in Canada than the US, the hardest part is finding one, but it's a non-restricted firearm, so after you find it all you have to do is show the owner your card, pay him, and take it home. No registration on it anymore. In the US, the PTRS-41 is considered a "destructive device" by the NFA, thus meaning it needs to be registered and a $200 tax stamp needs to be paid, as well as, if I'm not mistaken, the person needing the approval of the local sheriff to get it.
[QUOTE=download;37954541]Oh yea, also:
Supposedly during the 2003 handgun buyback, some people high up in the SSAA (our version of the NRA, but less nutty) conspired with the Howard government. Supposedly they were Olympic style (as in .22lr handguns, stand in a line, shoot one handed at 10m targets) handgun shooters and they worked with the government to "sacrifice" other handgun sports to protect their own, fearing an all out UK style handgun ban
It's a rumour that pops up now and again, no clue if it's true.
Supposedly this happened again with the large calibre restrictions, which I should point out, were not legislated, the police just decided to do it. Fearing an all out centre-fire rifle ban or a "everything over 30 cal is bad" ban, they helped the police pick and choose the calibres..
Anyway, I'm ranting again, suspect you guys don't want to hear this :v:[/QUOTE]
Happens around here too, far too many hunters are willing to throw handgun shooters under the bus, and there's rumours the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, formerly the Ontario Handgun Association, threw Ontarian handgun owners under the bus too, to try and save their own guns, hoping that if they appease the government by giving them the handguns, they'll leave their Auto-5 alone, even though 2 major parties have already said they want ALL semi-autos banned, which includes all these idiots' duck guns, and I'm sure they'd manage to justify banning any gun with a scope by calling it a "high-powered sniping weapon" and banning it too.
[QUOTE=download;37954672]Saiga 12s came about in 2001 I think...[/QUOTE]
god america's gun laws are such a clusterfuck
how about we don't ban certain models, but instead realize that most guns are basically the same shit when it comes down to power and range, and only worry about who gets their hands on guns? mental health care, mandatory and extensive training, a sorta big entry fee to the hobby, and after all that shit you can get whatever you want?
i would kill for a full auto shotgun even though they're useless and hungry
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37954681]They're banned too, as a variant of the AK-47, due to their gas mechanism. There's no such thing as a "destructive device" here, just a restricted, non-restricted, or prohibited one.
Fun fact, it's technically easier to get a PTRS-41 in Canada than the US, the hardest part is finding one, but it's a non-restricted firearm, so after you find it all you have to do is show the owner your card, pay him, and take it home. No registration on it anymore. In the US, the PTRS-41 is considered a "destructive device" by the NFA, thus meaning it needs to be registered and a $200 tax stamp needs to be paid, as well as, if I'm not mistaken, the person needing the approval of the local sheriff to get it.
Happens around here too, far too many hunters are willing to throw handgun shooters under the bus, and there's rumours the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, formerly the Ontario Handgun Association, threw Ontarian handgun owners under the bus too, to try and save their own guns, hoping that if they appease the government by giving them the handguns, they'll leave their Auto-5 alone, even though 2 major parties have already said they want ALL semi-autos banned, which includes all these idiots' duck guns, and I'm sure they'd manage to justify banning any gun with a scope by calling it a "high-powered sniping weapon" and banning it too.[/QUOTE]
It's a serious problem, thinking they'll appease the Gods in parliament by sacrificing another group of shooters. The only way guns laws turn around is if we stick together and make ourselves heard. So many Australia shooters have the mentality that they can;t do anything to fix the gun laws.
10% of Australians own guns, if 10% of your voters make a fuss, they're going to listen
[QUOTE=Neat!;37954747]god america's gun laws are such a clusterfuck
how about we don't ban certain models, but instead realize that most guns are basically the same shit when it comes down to power and range, and only worry about who gets their hands on guns? mental health care, mandatory and extensive training, a sorta big entry fee to the hobby, and after all that shit you can get whatever you want?
i would kill for a full auto shotgun even though they're useless and hungry[/QUOTE]
"Hurr, big scary black gun! Gotta ban it!"
A big entry fee discriminates against poor people
[QUOTE=download;37954818]It's a serious problem, thinking they'll appease the Gods in parliament by sacrificing another group of shooters. The only way guns laws turn around is if we stick together and make ourselves heard. So many Australia shooters have the mentality that they can;t do anything to fix the gun laws.
10% of Australians own guns, if 10% of your voters make a fuss, they're going to listen
"Hurr, big scary black gun! Gotta ban it!"
A big entry fee discriminates against poor people[/QUOTE]
EDIT: wait i forgot this was america and everything is fucked, nevermind
And their are plenty of people who are poor because they're happy with what they have
[editline]8th October 2012[/editline]
That's a terrible argument
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37954681]They're banned too, as a variant of the AK-47, due to their gas mechanism. There's no such thing as a "destructive device" here, just a restricted, non-restricted, or prohibited one.
Fun fact, it's technically easier to get a PTRS-41 in Canada than the US, the hardest part is finding one, but it's a non-restricted firearm, so after you find it all you have to do is show the owner your card, pay him, and take it home. No registration on it anymore. In the US, the PTRS-41 is considered a "destructive device" by the NFA, thus meaning it needs to be registered and a $200 tax stamp needs to be paid, as well as, if I'm not mistaken, the person needing the approval of the local sheriff to get it.
Happens around here too, far too many hunters are willing to throw handgun shooters under the bus, and there's rumours the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, formerly the Ontario Handgun Association, threw Ontarian handgun owners under the bus too, to try and save their own guns, hoping that if they appease the government by giving them the handguns, they'll leave their Auto-5 alone, even though 2 major parties have already said they want ALL semi-autos banned, which includes all these idiots' duck guns, and I'm sure they'd manage to justify banning any gun with a scope by calling it a "high-powered sniping weapon" and banning it too.[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly the PTRS-41 is actually under curio and relic status, so even though it would be classified as a destructive device it is overlooked to to it's age/history. So the same thing would apply as there, except you'd need a C&R licence.
[QUOTE=kman866;37953273]I love .30 cal stuff, great bullet all around.
But shooting out that far is just a blast. I want a new long range setup, but I'm wondering where to go from here. The Savage should be a great gun to go with, correct? I've never owned one, but everyone has been telling me to go with it for what I want. I also need some glass, preferably under $1000. I have looked at some vortex stuff, and their seems pretty good from what I've read...[/QUOTE]
at the range you're looking at, I'd put a swarovski z5 on it. they tend to go closer to 1500 though. There are cheaper alternatives but none with the same clarity at that range
[editline]7th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;37955014]If I remember correctly the PTRS-41 is actually under curio and relic status, so even though it would be classified as a destructive device it is overlooked to to it's age/history. So the same thing would apply as there, except you'd need a C&R licence.[/QUOTE]
anything over 50 years old is a c&r gun, makes buying milsurp online really easy
[QUOTE=download;37954965]
That's a terrible argument[/QUOTE]
it really is
sometimes i say stupid shit
Any opinions on the Vortex PST 6-24x50? for that long of a range?
[QUOTE=kman866;37955070]Any opinions on the Vortex PST 6-24x50? for that long of a range?[/QUOTE]
No Swarovski, but still pretty damn nice. Definitely worth more than they go for
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