I'd say no ex post facto laws are legal, according to the constitution, on any criminal level. But that's coming from a personal knowledge and interpretation. It doesn't mean they won't try some form of bs of keeping them out of your hands.
So if I buy an AR lower now, can I get the other stuff if this ban passes?
[QUOTE=kman866;39357243]So guys, with all this nonsense going on with a possible ban and such, I haven't heard a single thing about NFA weapons. SBRs, SBSs, suppressors, any of that. Not a single thing in the news or any stupid articles yet. What could happen with them? Any ideas? I'm considering SBR'ing my spikes lower but I really don't want anything to happen to it like a confiscation or something, worst case scenario after this whole fiasco. Not to sound crazy, just cautious.[/QUOTE]
I doubt anything would change. Many of the states that already have AWB's in place still allow NFA weapons in their full glory.
Hey Faze, what all do you need? Pop me a message and I might be able to help you get some parts.
Sidenote- can anyone help me find a place that has 50 beowulf barrels for sale or even a single one for sale somewhere? I really want to help my brother get his build done that he's been working on for forever.
[QUOTE=kman866;39357424]Hey Faze, what all do you need? Pop me a message and I might be able to help you get some parts.[/QUOTE]
Just thinking of ideas now. Buying shit that will be banned before it's banned kinda thing, without spending $1500 on a full AR. If I can just buy the lower and get the stock/barrel/etc piece by piece, that'd be helpful..
Well as for lower parts kits/buffer tubes and all that stuff, I might can help you out there.
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html[/url]
UH OH :dance:
i might enlist your help soon too
I'm not a lawyer, so I couldn't tell you specifics on each case; plus I don't remember which state you're from, so I definitely don't know your state laws, or liklihood of adopting new laws, so I couldn't tell you for certain. Sorry... as for the federal level, though; the purchase now of the lower (depending on the model) should count as the purchase of the weapon. That is where the serial information is generally kept, is on the fire-control group. The purchase of barrels, upper receiver, and handguards shouldn't be restricted in many ways, except for the possible exception of barrelshrouds being required to no longer be free-floating in some way, which would be ridiculous.
Hope this helps, and again, take it with a grain of salt. I may (and probably am) mistaken on some details.
[QUOTE=kman866;39357457]Well as for lower parts kits/buffer tubes and all that stuff, I might can help you out there.
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html[/URL]
UH OH :dance:[/QUOTE]
Help me how?
Guidance on a good lower would be helpful. Cheaper the better as long as it's not junk.
[QUOTE=faze;39357529]Help me how?
Guidance on a good lower would be helpful. Cheaper the better as long as it's not junk.[/QUOTE]
I'll pop you a message.
[QUOTE=kman866;39357243]So guys, with all this nonsense going on with a possible ban and such, I haven't heard a single thing about NFA weapons. SBRs, SBSs, suppressors, any of that. Not a single thing in the news or any stupid articles yet. What could happen with them? Any ideas? I'm considering SBR'ing my spikes lower but I really don't want anything to happen to it like a confiscation or something, worst case scenario after this whole fiasco. Not to sound crazy, just cautious.[/QUOTE]
NFA items suffer as well. Suppressors would not, because those are not listed in the ban. However, anything else that meats the criteria of the ban, regardless of it being NFA or not, is illegal for sale/transfer.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39357605]NFA items suffer as well. Suppressors would not, because those are not listed in the ban. However, anything else that meats the criteria of the ban, regardless of it being NFA or not, is illegal for sale/transfer.[/QUOTE]
Are flash hiders on the ban?
[QUOTE=faze;39357624]Are flash hiders on the ban?[/QUOTE]
Flash hiders themselves, no. It would be the rifle itself that would be banned. However, if you already owned the rifle beforehand you would be free to buy a new flash hider and install it. The only specific accessories that are targeted by the ban are bullet buttons, slide/bump-fire stocks, and thumbhole stocks.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39357786]Flash hiders themselves, no. It would be the rifle itself that would be banned. However, if you already owned the rifle beforehand you would be free to buy a new flash hider and install it.[/QUOTE]
So I should get my barrel threaded now then?
[QUOTE=faze;39357842]So I should get my barrel threaded now then?[/QUOTE]
This is a gray area for me. Technically you own the rifle beforehand, meaning it's exempt from the ban. However, having the barrel threaded might be thrown under the manufacturing part of the ban. I'll try and get with my friend's dad and see what his take on this subject is. He owned three ARs, full auto M16, and full auto MAC-10 w/ suppressor prior to the original assault weapons ban. He's very well educated in this subject matter, so he likely knows.
Personally though, I am a firm believer in being safe rather than sorry. If all it takes is you dropping the rifle off, just go ahead and get it done.
if you have a AR lower registered as an sbr, can you put a longer barrel back on it and have it be legal?
[QUOTE=beanhead;39358427]if you have a AR lower registered as an sbr, can you put a longer barrel back on it and have it be legal?[/QUOTE]
If the lower is registered as an SBR, then you can put whatever you want to on it.
[URL]http://bit.ly/W8TXYo[/URL]
cba to make the image and upload.
This is how I wanna go innawoods
[editline]25th January 2013[/editline]
[quote]
Dear [redacted],
Thank you for contacting me about gun control. I appreciate hearing from you.
As you may know, January 16, 2013, President Obama announced a variety of gun policy measures in response to the Newtown, CT killings. I therefore value knowing your views on this important issue, which is important to me as I carefully review the President's proposals. Like many Pennsylvanians, I believe that Second Amendment rights are important and must be protected, but there may be areas of agreement with the White House that can be addressed to improve public safety. I also believe that people who use guns in an illegal manner or harm others with them should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
That said, we have consistently observed that mass killings are the result of serious mental illness. We therefore need to better protect ourselves from mentally ill individuals who seek to carry out such atrocities, including improved background checks. We also need to review and improve how we take care of the mentally ill. As I continue working with my Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle on public safety, please be assured that I will keep your views about firearms in mind.
Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,
[IMG]https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=efdc1da848&view=att&th=13c7354cec53d54b&attid=0.1.1&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1[/IMG]
Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania
[/quote]
Ok, thanks Patty.
Oh god armadillo, word wrap, CHECK IT! lol
Glad to see that these senators are looking at the real issues, and not staying hung up on guns.
[QUOTE=cpt.armadillo;39358535][url]http://bit.ly/W8TXYo[/url]
cba to make the image and upload.
This is how I wanna go innawoods
[editline]25th January 2013[/editline]
[code]
Dear [redacted],
Thank you for contacting me about gun control. I appreciate hearing from you.
As you may know, January 16, 2013, President Obama announced a variety of gun policy measures in response to the Newtown, CT killings. I therefore value knowing your views on this important issue, which is important to me as I carefully review the President's proposals. Like many Pennsylvanians, I believe that Second Amendment rights are important and must be protected, but there may be areas of agreement with the White House that can be addressed to improve public safety. I also believe that people who use guns in an illegal manner or harm others with them should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
That said, we have consistently observed that mass killings are the result of serious mental illness. We therefore need to better protect ourselves from mentally ill individuals who seek to carry out such atrocities, including improved background checks. We also need to review and improve how we take care of the mentally ill. As I continue working with my Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle on public safety, please be assured that I will keep your views about firearms in mind.
Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,
Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania
[/code]
Ok, thanks Patty.[/QUOTE]
That's better than the one I got from my senator. Dutch Ruppersberger basically told me that as a family man and teacher, guns are scary and are all obviously designed for our military so no one should have them. Nothing about mental health, which I feel is the BIGGEST issue. I gave him my words but I doubt anything will change.
No word from any other senator.
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;39359059]That's better than the one I got from my senator. Dutch Ruppersberger basically told me that as a family man and teacher, guns are scary and are all obviously designed for our military so no one should have them. Nothing about mental health, which I feel is the BIGGEST issue. I gave him my words but I doubt anything will change.
No word from any other senator.[/QUOTE]
Post your the responses you received. I'm interested in reading all sides.
[QUOTE=kman866;39357457]Well as for lower parts kits/buffer tubes and all that stuff, I might can help you out there.
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html[/url]
UH OH :dance:[/QUOTE]
Is it over?
[editline]25th January 2013[/editline]
Also I've decided that after much debate and looking at Beretta 82s, PPKs, and other small frame pistols that I'm going to use an Obrez for my CC.
Now shoot it down so I can get some sleep. It's been a solid month since I've gotten a full nights sleep thanks to this load of shit
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39359083]Post your the responses you received. I'm interested in reading all sides.[/QUOTE]
His repsonse:
[QUOTE]Dear Mr. Bures:
I am writing in response to your communication regarding the recent school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. As a father and grandfather with many educators in my family, this tragedy touched me deeply. We are all keeping the Newtown families in our thoughts and prayers. But I believe we owe these families more – we owe them thoughtful and effective gun reforms so that other families may be spared the same pain.
The facts from incidents in Newtown, Aurora, Fort Hood, Tucson and Blacksburg are clear: the more powerful the gun and more ammunition it has, the more people it can kill. The Newtown shooter, the Columbine killers and the gunman in Aurora all used assault weapons designed for our troops on the front lines of war. The gunmen in Tucson, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech and Newtown were all armed with high-capacity magazines. In fact, the Newtown shooter was armed with enough ammunition to kill every student in the school. With less powerful guns and less bullets, perhaps more lives would have been saved.
I have always relied on the counsel of Maryland's law enforcement leaders when it comes to my positions on various gun control policies. I believe strongly in the right to bear arms, but this right comes with reasonable limits. For example, I do not believe that private citizens should be able to purchase assault weapons designed for warfare that can out-shoot our police officers. It's for that reason I cosponsored legislation to continue the ban on assault weapons in 2004. I have also supported efforts to ban large-capacity ammunition magazines, such as those used during the Newtown tragedy.
I will continue to support these reasonable limits as Congress renews its examination of our country's gun laws in the days ahead. There are other common sense steps we can take, such as creating smart technology that renders a weapon useless if loss or stolen. We can improve background checks on gun owners and more carefully monitor third-party gun sales. And, I believe, our country's efforts to identify and treat the mentally ill must be part of the discussion.
Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future if you have any questions or comments. To receive additional information about issues that are facing Congress, Maryland, and the Nation that may affect you and your community, please visit my Web site at [url]www.dutch.house.gov[/url] and sign up for my periodic e-mail newsletter.
Sincerely,
C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger
Member of Congress[/QUOTE]
He Barely mentions mental health.
And the only other thing I've gotten back is:
[QUOTE]Thank you for contacting the Office of the Governor. Each piece of correspondence is reviewed on an individual basis to ensure all concerns expressed by citizens and visitors of Maryland receive full consideration.
Please accept this as acknowledgement that your message has been received.
Once again, thank you for contacting me. I benefit by knowing your views.
Very truly yours,
Martin O'Malley
Governor of Maryland[/QUOTE]
It's been over a week and this is all I've gotten, I mailed EVERYONE.
If you like I can post more as I get them.
[QUOTE=kman866;39357457]
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]
oh god im literally crying im so happy
[QUOTE=DarkSamus;39359131]Is it over?
[editline]25th January 2013[/editline]
Also I've decided that after much debate and looking at Beretta 82s, PPKs, and other small frame pistols that I'm going to use an Obrez for my CC.[/QUOTE]
No, that was just a review of the panel.
[editline]25th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39359419]oh god im literally crying im so happy[/QUOTE]
That was just a review of today's panel, assuming they would do a vote today. As far as I know, they still haven't voted, but I don't have access to live coverage during the day.
My senior-most Senator's office responded to mine from Ruger as well;
[QUOTE=Mark Warner]
Dear Mr. [Me],
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut and your views on gun control.
On December 14, 2012, 20 innocent children and six adults lost their lives in one of the worst, most tragic shootings to ever occur in the United States. As a parent of three daughters, this was the ultimate nightmare. Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free of crime and violence: a school.
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. I own firearms and I have an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association. However, I also recognize that, like with many of our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not without limits. It is unfortunate that a tragedy of this magnitude is what is needed to prompt action, but we need to have a serious discussion on how to best avoid these kinds of mass shootings in the future. The status quo is not acceptable.
I believe our discussion should cover many issues. We can start by taking action on issues that enjoy widespread support, such as broadening background checks for gun purchases, ensuring all appropriate records are submitted into the background check database, and making improvements to our mental health system so we can provide help to those with dangerous mental illnesses before it is too late. In addition, I have received many comments from across the Commonwealth regarding the White House task force's recommendations to curb gun violence. I am actively reviewing these recommendations and will carefully consider related legislation as it is developed and introduced in the Senate. As I formulate my position, I urge you to continue to express your views.
Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at [url]http://warner.senate.gov[/url].
Sincerely,
MARK R. WARNER
United States Senator
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39359433]
That was just a review of today's panel, assuming they would do a vote today. As far as I know, they still haven't voted, but I don't have access to live coverage during the day.[/QUOTE]
They still have time...
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;39359433]
That was just a review of today's panel, assuming they would do a vote today. As far as I know, they still haven't voted, but I don't have access to live coverage during the day.[/QUOTE]
it might as well be dead at this point.
I can't stand it when politicians claim to be pro 2A, then go on about limits.
You can't put limits on a right and still call it a right.
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